The oilers will have LTIR space and if they come off Barrie (who is a third pairing PP specialist at this point) or Yamamoto who hasn't really done much it probably works.

Kane and a 2024 third for 2 firsts (23, 24) a 23 second and a 2025 4th that turns into a first if they make it to the finals. lol. Though I think that is a bit unrealistic. 2 firsts probably gets it done and maybe some swap for 3rds and 4ths or whatever. It would be impossible to get real value back and I'd see it playing out similar to the Giroux deal more than anything else though instead of a top prospect the Hawks just get an additional first.

Connor Murphy for Barrie a second and a third coming back wouldn't be bad. Maybe two seconds if Chicago retains some salary or a first if they retain the max. Though Jack Johnson probably makes more sense even though the Oilers aren't bad on the left side. Maybe Kulak can flip over.

Either would be an upgrade over Barrie at least defensively.

And if we want to play the when will the Hawks not suck game. Well assuming they draft pretty good and get either Fantilli or Bedard - either of them will probably be in the NHL next year. K2 is probably in the NHL next year.

Assuming Nazar recovers and does well in college (I'm thinking he spends two years there unless he just burns down the NCAA next year) Were looking at him being a NHL player in 2025.

They probably have another pick in 2024 that will be top ten so we'll assume 3 years for them.

If you look at the devils as an example Hischier was drafted in 2017 and Hughes in 2019 so really 5 years to really not suck. The Avs same with Landeskog it took 6 years after he was drafted to be a playoff team and have any consideration for being a cup contender so if this year was year one.

2027 maybe they're in the mix. Certainly before 2030 unless they draft very very poorly or some goofy poop happens this year where they pick 6th instead of 1 or 2.

I'd say by 2025 you should start to see the ship turn and they should be in the playoffs in 2027. If they could get a FA like Matthews or zee German to sign in 24 or 25 then obviously that helps things.
- fattybeef

I agree with this. Plus in order to get to the cap floor next year, they are going to have to sign another couple of Domi, Athanaseu types to get to the cap floor to flip for draft capital at the deadline, (some more 2nds Hopefully) or third round picks.

you still dont grt what the plan is? LOSE!!
- LFS

Obviously that is the plan at the GM level but at ice level we should expect NHL coaches and players to do things at an NHL level.

The oilers will have LTIR space and if they come off Barrie (who is a third pairing PP specialist at this point) or Yamamoto who hasn't really done much it probably works.

Kane and a 2024 third for 2 firsts (23, 24) a 23 second and a 2025 4th that turns into a first if they make it to the finals. lol. Though I think that is a bit unrealistic. 2 firsts probably gets it done and maybe some swap for 3rds and 4ths or whatever. It would be impossible to get real value back and I'd see it playing out similar to the Giroux deal more than anything else though instead of a top prospect the Hawks just get an additional first.

Connor Murphy for Barrie a second and a third coming back wouldn't be bad. Maybe two seconds if Chicago retains some salary or a first if they retain the max. Though Jack Johnson probably makes more sense even though the Oilers aren't bad on the left side. Maybe Kulak can flip over.

Either would be an upgrade over Barrie at least defensively.

And if we want to play the when will the Hawks not suck game. Well assuming they draft pretty good and get either Fantilli or Bedard - either of them will probably be in the NHL next year. K2 is probably in the NHL next year.

Assuming Nazar recovers and does well in college (I'm thinking he spends two years there unless he just burns down the NCAA next year) Were looking at him being a NHL player in 2025.

They probably have another pick in 2024 that will be top ten so we'll assume 3 years for them.

If you look at the devils as an example Hischier was drafted in 2017 and Hughes in 2019 so really 5 years to really not suck. The Avs same with Landeskog it took 6 years after he was drafted to be a playoff team and have any consideration for being a cup contender so if this year was year one.

2027 maybe they're in the mix. Certainly before 2030 unless they draft very very poorly or some goofy poop happens this year where they pick 6th instead of 1 or 2.

I'd say by 2025 you should start to see the ship turn and they should be in the playoffs in 2027. If they could get a FA like Matthews or zee German to sign in 24 or 25 then obviously that helps things.
- fattybeef

Use the Sabres as an example and the Hawks have 12 years + of this to look forward to. How many players on the Hawks current roster would make the Sabre team right now? 2 or 3? Yet the Sabres with multiple high first rounders will likely miss the playoffs again. This 1st time GMs rebuild is far from a certainty.

Ummm you do understand the team is deliberately tanking and bereft of talent on purpose right?
- fattybeef

I understand but does that mean the kid GM has told Lafferty to give the puck away at center ice? Has he told Murphy to try and go 82 games without an open ice hit? Has he told Richardson to not try any coaching to make lemonade from these lemons?

I understand but does that mean the kid GM has told Lafferty to give the puck away at center ice? Has he told Murphy to try and go 82 games without an open ice hit? Has he told Richardson to not try any coaching to make lemonade from these lemons?
- stevefrmglencoe

Do you think Lafferty is at 28 yearsold suddenly going to develop hands?, or Murphy being anything other than what he has been before, especially with his concussion issues, I don't expect him to become the next Jerry Korab. It appears you are the only person who thinks that Richardson is doing a below average job coaching the team.

The expectations were for the team to have a Colliton start to the season, and continue from there. This start has been far from it. And I am sorry this rebuild is going to take awhile. Hopefully less than the 50 years it took until 2010 (with all of them having less than 31 other teams in the league), because I won't be around to see the next one.

Nolan Allan has been traded and joins Korchinski in Seattle.
- DarthKane

Very excited by this trade. 2 Saskatchewan boys building chemistry early in their careers. Plus Seattle is gonna be a beast so hopefully a nice long playoff run and possibly a Memorial Cup appearance. All good for our future Hawk blue liners!

Do you think Lafferty is at 28 yearsold suddenly going to develop hands?, or Murphy being anything other than what he has been before, especially with his concussion issues, I don't expect him to become the next Jerry Korab. It appears you are the only person who thinks that Richardson is doing a below average job coaching the team.

The expectations were for the team to have a Colliton start to the season, and continue from there. This start has been far from it. And I am sorry this rebuild is going to take awhile. Hopefully less than the 50 years it took until 2010 (with all of them having less than 31 other teams in the league), because I won't be around to see the next one.
- LAHawk

In his defense, Colliton was 5 games under .500 over 205 NHL games. He coached an extremely aggresive offensive style. Can you describe Richardson's style? Send Averageasiou on a breakaway? Poke check in front of the net?

Am I the only one here who thinks the Hawks have become Amatuer Hour in management, coaching, on the ice and in the broadcast booth?

The oilers will have LTIR space and if they come off Barrie (who is a third pairing PP specialist at this point) or Yamamoto who hasn't really done much it probably works.

Kane and a 2024 third for 2 firsts (23, 24) a 23 second and a 2025 4th that turns into a first if they make it to the finals. lol. Though I think that is a bit unrealistic. 2 firsts probably gets it done and maybe some swap for 3rds and 4ths or whatever. It would be impossible to get real value back and I'd see it playing out similar to the Giroux deal more than anything else though instead of a top prospect the Hawks just get an additional first.

Connor Murphy for Barrie a second and a third coming back wouldn't be bad. Maybe two seconds if Chicago retains some salary or a first if they retain the max. Though Jack Johnson probably makes more sense even though the Oilers aren't bad on the left side. Maybe Kulak can flip over.

Either would be an upgrade over Barrie at least defensively.

And if we want to play the when will the Hawks not suck game. Well assuming they draft pretty good and get either Fantilli or Bedard - either of them will probably be in the NHL next year. K2 is probably in the NHL next year.

Assuming Nazar recovers and does well in college (I'm thinking he spends two years there unless he just burns down the NCAA next year) Were looking at him being a NHL player in 2025.

They probably have another pick in 2024 that will be top ten so we'll assume 3 years for them.

If you look at the devils as an example Hischier was drafted in 2017 and Hughes in 2019 so really 5 years to really not suck. The Avs same with Landeskog it took 6 years after he was drafted to be a playoff team and have any consideration for being a cup contender so if this year was year one.

2027 maybe they're in the mix. Certainly before 2030 unless they draft very very poorly or some goofy poop happens this year where they pick 6th instead of 1 or 2.

I'd say by 2025 you should start to see the ship turn and they should be in the playoffs in 2027. If they could get a FA like Matthews or zee German to sign in 24 or 25 then obviously that helps things.
- fattybeef

So far this season, Kane would not bring one first nor a high level prospect.

Obviously that is the plan at the GM level but at ice level we should expect NHL coaches and players to do things at an NHL level.
- stevefrmglencoe

I wouldn't call the defense specifically NHL level at the moment.

Use the Sabres as an example and the Hawks have 12 years + of this to look forward to. How many players on the Hawks current roster would make the Sabre team right now? 2 or 3? Yet the Sabres with multiple high first rounders will likely miss the playoffs again. This 1st time GMs rebuild is far from a certainty.
- stevefrmglencoe

The accumulatation of tier 1 prospects from the next three drafts should be enough to improve the quality of the team....say fiour or five of those picks plus the '22 selections.....giving 2-3 years before each makes the team and another 1-2:years to improve at the NHL level. I am hopeful we have enough drmen and goaltenders to see an upgrade over the current group. I don't believe Korchinski, Mitchell, Vlasic will be worse because McCabe, Murphy, S Jones aren't much to be crowing about. Only S Jones is alright but he obviously is not a first pair talent.

You can hope some prospects come along and it is likely a couple not yet mentioned will. Thinking of Kaiser in particular. And I would love to see Galvas get an opportunity and be better, dependable than any of the current group

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/ma...cago-blackhawks-1.1879355

Hope the more active roll is larger than just being an ambassador.

I understand but does that mean the kid GM has told Lafferty to give the puck away at center ice? Has he told Murphy to try and go 82 games without an open ice hit? Has he told Richardson to not try any coaching to make lemonade from these lemons?
- stevefrmglencoe

Before Theo Epstein was a genius he was a kid GM.

Use the Sabres as an example and the Hawks have 12 years + of this to look forward to. How many players on the Hawks current roster would make the Sabre team right now? 2 or 3? Yet the Sabres with multiple high first rounders will likely miss the playoffs again. This 1st time GMs rebuild is far from a certainty.
- stevefrmglencoe

I would rather use the Avalanche as an example but there definitely are no guarantees. There's 30 whatever teams also trying to win and projecting 17 year olds is damn near impossible.

The accumulatation of tier 1 prospects from the next three drafts should be enough to improve the quality of the team....say fiour or five of those picks plus the '22 selections.....giving 2-3 years before each makes the team and another 1-2:years to improve at the NHL level. I am hopeful we have enough drmen and goaltenders to see an upgrade over the current group. I don't believe Korchinski, Mitchell, Vlasic will be worse because McCabe, Murphy, S Jones aren't much to be crowing about. Only S Jones is alright but he obviously is not a first pair talent.

You can hope some prospects come along and it is likely a couple not yet mentioned will. Thinking of Kaiser in particular. And I would love to see Galvas get an opportunity and be better, dependable than any of the current group
- jhawk59

Vlasic looks like a solid 3rd pair guy. Korchinski was impressive but best to go slowly with him. Mitchell looks too small for defensive role and too slow for an Adam Fox role.

Before Theo Epstein was a genius he was a kid GM.
- rpeters01

Point well taken. There weren't a lot of Epsteins and Buffalo, Ottawa, NJ and others have gone through many 1st time guys who circled the toilet.

I would rather use the Avalanche as an example but there definitely are no guarantees. There's 30 whatever teams also trying to win and projecting 17 year olds is damn near impossible.
- rpeters01

Joe Sakic is a HOF player and surrounded himself with experience. Our 1st timer agreed to work cheap. Surrounded himself with a baseball guy.

Use the Sabres as an example and the Hawks have 12 years + of this to look forward to. How many players on the Hawks current roster would make the Sabre team right now? 2 or 3? Yet the Sabres with multiple high first rounders will likely miss the playoffs again. This 1st time GMs rebuild is far from a certainty.
- stevefrmglencoe

Sabres goalies, Anderson, Comrie. I would take the Hawks pair over those 2

Defense After Power and Dahlin, Buffalo has the same dreck as the Hawks D.

Forwards: I think the Sabres could find room for 3-5 of the Hawks forwards at a bare minimum.

Joe Sakic is a HOF player and surrounded himself with experience. Our 1st timer agreed to work cheap. Surrounded himself with a baseball guy.
- stevefrmglencoe

Brian Campbell is a baseball guy? So is Norm Maciver? Mark Eaton? Meaghan Hunter?

Joe Sakic is a HOF player and surrounded himself with experience. Our 1st timer agreed to work cheap. Surrounded himself with a baseball guy.
- stevefrmglencoe

KD's trades have worked out fairly well so far. At least he's consistent what he brings in. The team had absolutely zero identity the last five years. "We're small but slow" about summed us up.

Sabres goalies, Anderson, Comrie. I would take the Hawks pair over those 2

Defense After Power and Dahlin, Buffalo has the same dreck as the Hawks D.

Forwards: I think the Sabres could find room for 3-5 of the Hawks forwards at a bare minimum.
- LAHawk

Thanks for back and forth. Yes the Sabres goalie of the future is in Rochester.

I think Samuelsson would be top pairing here.

Do the Hawks have anyone who would play above Thompson, Tuch, Skinner, Cozens, Mittelstadt and Olofsson?

Brian Campbell is a baseball guy? So is Norm Maciver? Mark Eaton? Meaghan Hunter?
- LAHawk

Jeff Greenberg

Thanks for back and forth. Yes the Sabres goalie of the future is in Rochester.

I think Samuelsson would be top pairing here.

Do the Hawks have anyone who would play above Thompson, Tuch, Skinner, Cozens, Mittelstadt and Olofsson?
- stevefrmglencoe

There still is Kane and Toews until traded. Domi and Athanaseu could definitely be third liners for the Sabres right now.

Jeff Greenberg
- stevefrmglencoe

Isn't he basically building the computer program?
- richfrmglenview

Use the Sabres as an example and the Hawks have 12 years + of this to look forward to. How many players on the Hawks current roster would make the Sabre team right now? 2 or 3? Yet the Sabres with multiple high first rounders will likely miss the playoffs again. This 1st time GMs rebuild is far from a certainty.
- stevefrmglencoe

I'd disagree with that. Buffalo didn't have a top 5 pick until 2014 (8 years) and it looks like the missed on that one and Eichel certainly didn't pan out. They also tried to bring in veterans between then and now and "stopped" rebuilding.

I'd say their most recent attempt started with them tanking for Dahlin - who 4 years later looks like an impact player. They also have Owen Power who is probably going to be kind of good. Mittelstadt has been meh. Quinn and Cozens look like decent players.

So maybe in 2 years time you'd expect them to turn a corner (6) and by 8 start to look good if they can get a couple of impact forwards.

Certainly no draft is a certainty but if you look (at the very small sample size) of the players that this group has identified and picked up - Lafferty and Richardson look like decent enough role players. K2, who was their guy in this draft, is dominating in the WHL which is encouraging.

You have 1 and two defenders sorted out since Jones is already here. They get an impact forward to build around in Bedard or Fantilli and now things get interesting. But Nazar has to pan out in some capacity and they need a late round pick from this year to out kick their coverage. And they need to hit on a top 5 pick in 2024 or 2025.

If you look at the teams that are perpetually bad vs the ones that have trended up and done well with limited top picks - its kinda 50/50 and I'd rather be optimistic about it then thinking they're going to be Arizona.

KD's trades have worked out fairly well so far. At least he's consistent what he brings in. The team had absolutely zero identity the last five years. "We're small but slow" about summed us up.
- rpeters01

Hagel deal was great. He deserves a lot credit on that.

As for the draft day trades, felt like a video game GM trading known pieces for lottery tickets.

Want it all to turn out but fearful of the talent evaluation in the organization. Not impressed yet.