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Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Nov 17 @ 1:56 PM ET
You are blaming the analytics department for players they had nothing to do with drafting, other than starting last year. This is Adams team, starting next year other than Power you can start ripping them.
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Nov 17 @ 1:56 PM ET
Might not correlate to wins, but the bottom 10 in hits probably are top 10 in puck possession and maybe expected goals for?
- Ratsreign


This guy gets it
lacaprup
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 07.23.2006

Nov 17 @ 1:58 PM ET
When JW doesn’t disagree with you, you know everyone is questioning it.

He has always been the don’t need a big guy leader of the pack.

Or the Jeremy is also apathetic about the Sabres and just doesnt care.

- ImThatGuy


I would say, before anything else Jeremy believes in the "great man theory" of hockey. So, when I say, "protect our two great players" he can latch on to that. Imagine if that was 25, 26, or 72 getting boarded last night. There goes the season. And, there goes the season if Dahlin breaks his hand fighting. The goon helps both problems.
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Nov 17 @ 1:58 PM ET
Haven't ever really dug into expected goals, but there does seem to be a correlation between the bottom10 hitters and high CF%. Think it depends on gameplan really, some teams are top10 in both (NYR/CAL)

Based on Stattrick for CF% at 5v5:

1) Carolina
2) Jersey
3) Florida
6) Sabres
10) Colorado

The Flames and Calgary are #4 and #5 respectively though, so it doesn't always hold true. But it's logical...the more time you spend possessing the puck, the less time you will have to hit opponents.

- QuinnFan


Imagine that.
lacaprup
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 07.23.2006

Nov 17 @ 1:58 PM ET
You are blaming the analytics department for players they had nothing to do with drafting, other than starting last year. This is Adams team, starting next year other than Power you can start ripping them.
- Buff36


You know what... that's fair.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Nov 17 @ 1:59 PM ET
One thing unmentioned in the hitting talk. Yes, NJD are second to last in hits; however, they throw 33% more hits than Buffalo every game.
- lacaprup


It has been mentioned multiple times, and again at the end of page 34, by Lunaion.
lacaprup
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 07.23.2006

Nov 17 @ 2:01 PM ET
It has been mentioned multiple times, and again at the end of page 34, by Lunaion.
- kingcong39


My mistake then. I apologize, but I'll never say I'm sorry! So take that.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Nov 17 @ 2:02 PM ET
Ventura and analytics do not care about hitting.

Rasmus glue asplund is a fine example.

- Boss34


Which players were added under Ventura? The Eichel trade (Tuch), Lyubushkin, and Vinny (a depth guy). 2 of their most physical players.

When you look at it, the shocking thing is how many JB guys are still here. KA (Ventura) haven't made their mark yet.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Nov 17 @ 2:03 PM ET
It has been mentioned multiple times, and again at the end of page 34, by Lunaion.
- kingcong39

https://images.app.goo.gl/HeryqA5TgA8LG5EW9
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Nov 17 @ 2:05 PM ET
My mistake then. I apologize, but I'll never say I'm sorry! So take that.
- lacaprup


Just happy it's getting noticed.
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Nov 17 @ 2:09 PM ET
I was screaming at the TV last night at Cozens, it was a perfect opportunity to show support for a brother and to get some excitement back in the team.

Epic Fail...

- hehateme


He fought a few times last year too. Why he didn’t do anything last night was weird to me to.

Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Nov 17 @ 2:09 PM ET
Who wants to bet me that Brinson Karmanos Ventura had more to do with getting that Vegas and Eichel deal done than Adams. Brinson got that deal done, Brinson and Karmanos have known each other for a long time.
lacaprup
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 07.23.2006

Nov 17 @ 2:12 PM ET
Who wants to bet me that Brinson Karmanos Ventura had more to do with getting that Vegas and Eichel deal done than Adams. Brinson got that deal done, Brinson and Karmanos have known each other for a long time.
- Buff36


All I want to know is who thought Peyton Krebs was a 1C. Fire that person yesterday.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Nov 17 @ 2:12 PM ET
He fought a few times last year too. Why he didn’t do anything last night was weird to me to.
- Pegullaville

In Cozens defense he did hurt his hand the other night in the scuffle in front. He was twisting and icing it in the Box. Could be a factor.
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Nov 17 @ 2:14 PM ET
Could the Sabres hit more ? Absolutely.

Bigger issues at the moment:

Special teams is comical.

Goaltending ever since game 11 has been awful (although last night it was fine).

They are playing well at 5v5 but they are not getting enough 2nd and 3rd chance opportunities which is a reason why they are shooting lower than expected.

Although the Sabres are 4th in goals scored and offensively grade out well, they give up 50000000 odd man rushes/breakaways a game and their team defence has been poor since the Samuelsson injury.

The Sabres could hang their hat on the fact they were going punch for punch with the leagues elite at the beginning of the losing streak, but the last two nights were ugly no matter how you slice it.


Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Nov 17 @ 2:17 PM ET
All I want to know is who thought Peyton Krebs was a 1C. Fire that person yesterday.
- lacaprup

Guy has the talent, tearing that Achilles really hurt his development. He's got the Heart, but he looks smaller than my Daughter. Gets swallowed up on the forecheck. He needs to be with players that can go get the puck, feed him and then go to the net or find a whole. Fantastic passer, just hasn't found those linemates yet.
lacaprup
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 07.23.2006

Nov 17 @ 2:19 PM ET
Everyone stocked on groceries? I am assuming 2 feet minimum, but prepping for 6. I'm trying to decide if I want to buy my Thanksgiving groceries now and risk the produce not being fresh. I love my organic greens and fruit, but they go bad in two days. Though, I suppose if it's so bad I can't go to the grocer by next Wednesday, then we're probably not hosting dinner Thursday.

This is going to be a fun week. maybe I'll start drinking again. pass the eggnog.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Nov 17 @ 2:29 PM ET
Guy has the talent, tearing that Achilles really hurt his development. He's got the Heart, but he looks smaller than my Daughter. Gets swallowed up on the forecheck. He needs to be with players that can go get the puck, feed him and then go to the net or find a whole. Fantastic passer, just hasn't found those linemates yet.
- Buff36


He gets to the net and doesn't avoid contact, so I think there's hope that he'll grow into his potential. Just a kid playing vs men atm.

Mitts and VO just block everyone atm. Terrible defensive pair that just won't work with Krebs. It's just an awkward lineup to work with and he is suffering from it.
Sabretooth9
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.24.2019

Nov 17 @ 2:34 PM ET
UPL. Here is your shot to make it into the NHL
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Nov 17 @ 2:36 PM ET
UPL. Here is your shot to make it into the NHL
- Sabretooth9



Buffalo Sabres
@BuffaloSabres
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6m

Official
We have recalled goaltender Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen from
@AmerksHockey

Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Nov 17 @ 2:42 PM ET
Buffalo Sabres
@BuffaloSabres
·
6m

Official
We have recalled goaltender Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen from
@AmerksHockey

- Lunaion



You heard it here first, upl saves the season.

Vibes guy
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Nov 17 @ 2:44 PM ET
Which players were added under Ventura? The Eichel trade (Tuch), Lyubushkin, and Vinny (a depth guy). 2 of their most physical players.

When you look at it, the shocking thing is how many JB guys are still here. KA (Ventura) haven't made their mark yet.

- Lunaion


Resigned tage, samuelsson and olo.... maybe gave girgensons/ asplund extensions

They become KA's guys when he resigned them.
Same for Ventura IMO
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Nov 17 @ 2:46 PM ET
Imagine that.
- Pegullaville


C'mon man.
169 hits ....better teams have 350 -450.

If it was 169 to 183...ok.
Jez.
QuinnFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Formerly Visionville, Now Purgatory
Joined: 07.29.2021

Nov 17 @ 2:46 PM ET
It is logical.
That said, Sabres are 53.1% CF, not 85%..the other 46.9% maybe they could actually hit the opposition. Make it tough on the other team.
Also, make the opposition fear going towards the slot/crease...make it very unpleasant for them...and attack the opponents slot.
So friggin basic IMO.

- IonSabres


Absolutely. This has been beat up a bit since my last post, but I think Lun said we need more tenacity, I'd say aggressiveness but same idea.

Being tougher in front of the net, closing gaps defensively, boxing guys out better and driving the net are all things that would help this team immensely. They need to attack, to be more aggressive in all situations.

None of those things show up in the hits column though, that's all. More of a nitpick of the stat than a disagreement of an overall toughness sentiment. I'm not sure toughness can be quantified unfortunately and that's what we need as you say.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Nov 17 @ 2:50 PM ET
Could the Sabres hit more ? Absolutely.

Bigger issues at the moment:

Special teams is comical.

Goaltending ever since game 11 has been awful (although last night it was fine).

They are playing well at 5v5 but they are not getting enough 2nd and 3rd chance opportunities which is a reason why they are shooting lower than expected.

Although the Sabres are 4th in goals scored and offensively grade out well, they give up 50000000 odd man rushes/breakaways a game and their team defence has been poor since the Samuelsson injury.

The Sabres could hang their hat on the fact they were going punch for punch with the leagues elite at the beginning of the losing streak, but the last two nights were ugly no matter how you slice it.

- Pegullaville


Resulting from perimeter shooting and few players crashing the net. Playing tough.
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