Every pass from barzal to wally
- Upstate_isles

Cement hands and unfortunately a cement head as well. Which is the biggest problem.

So if they trade for a vet and win the cup would you give a shat? I don't think so.
- nyisles7

Kane ✅️
Tank ✅️
Horvat ✅️
Meier ✅️

Cement hands and unfortunately a cement head as well. Which is the biggest problem.
- nyisles7

The interference on zibinijab was moronic and he should have been called for tripping on kakko. If you watch the official he flinched on calling it which you don't see much at that level

The interference on zibinijab was moronic and he should have been called for tripping on kakko. If you watch the official he flinched on calling it which you don't see much at that level
- Upstate_isles

And that has nothing to do with a coach. Thats just being stupid. The non trip was right before they scored as well. If I was a Rag Fan ( God Forbid ) I would have been livid.

I think if they move wally + + it will be for a player that can help bring them the cup. I get the cap and young players benefit in that respect but the ultimate goal especially for this team and it group. However I think they will trade for a piece that makes them better obviously and I don't think they care if said player is a seasoned vet or young. Just my opinion of course but if you can add Tank ( just as an example) for the run you don't do it because he's older?
- nyisles7

It's not that I wouldn't do it, I just don't know how much value Wahlstrom really adds to that trade from a STL perspective. If the + + is '23 1st rounder and Raty along with Wahlstrom....that's a big mortgage of the future given how barren this system already is. Not necessarily saying that I wouldn't do it, but there's a lot of risk there to take into account

It's not that I wouldn't do it, I just don't know how much value Wahlstrom really adds to that trade from a STL perspective. If the + + is '23 1st rounder and Raty along with Wahlstrom....that's a big mortgage of the future given how barren this system already is. Not necessarily saying that I wouldn't do it, but there's a lot of risk there to take into account
- eichiefs9

Raty is the one guy I wouldn't move but it doesn't leave a ton as I'm not sure what value Dufour or Iskhakov have

So if they trade for a vet and win the cup would you give a shat? I don't think so.
- nyisles7

We’d rejoice of course.

But the odds of that are always slim, no matter how good the team may be. Not saying acquiring Tarasenko is a bad idea mind you, but only that I’d rather deal futures for someone who’d have a future with this team beyond this year.

Meier’s name has been bandied about before, and as he’s an RFA, he’d certainly be of preference. What’s more, he’s younger AND outscored Tarasenko last year, despite playing on a far inferior team. I’d give up serious assets for a player like that, including Wahlstrom and the 2023 1st unprotected.

Every pass from barzal to wally
- Upstate_isles

Or every pass he tries to make. Last week he tried to pass one back to the point and it was like 10 ft over the D's head

It's not that I wouldn't do it, I just don't know how much value Wahlstrom really adds to that trade from a STL perspective. If the + + is '23 1st rounder and Raty along with Wahlstrom....that's a big mortgage of the future given how barren this system already is. Not necessarily saying that I wouldn't do it, but there's a lot of risk there to take into account
- eichiefs9

I understand where you are coming from for sure but typically you have to mortgage the future for the Cup. Most teams that make a run ( some successful, some not ) go through a rebuild afterwards. It's what the cap does. In my opinion your window of opportunity is small and if it's there you better go for it.
Hopefully the team keeps chugging along and Lou has to make that decision.

Raty is the one guy I wouldn't move but it doesn't leave a ton as I'm not sure what value Dufour or Iskhakov have
- Upstate_isles

Don't think either of the latter have a ton of value. Iskhakov is off to a great start with Bridgeport but he hasn't exactly stood out at any other level he's played at and he played NCAA/Liiga/DEL. I hope it just took him longer to develop and this kind of production keeps up, but until then I'm still pretty skeptical that he's going to be an NHL player. Dufour has a lot of potential but is also still pretty raw. He's off to a decent start in his first pro season but I don't see teams looking at him as the centerpiece of any kind of trade.

Any trade becomes a lot more palatable if they can use their 2024 1st and not the 2023, given that the upcoming draft is a very deep one

I understand where you are coming from for sure but typically you have to mortgage the future for the Cup. Most teams that make a run ( some successful, some not ) go through a rebuild afterwards. It's what the cap does. I my opinion you window of opportunity is small and if it's there you better go for it.
Hopefully the team keeps chugging along and Lou has to make that decision.
- nyisles7

If they keep playing like they have been and are in the same (or similar) position come deadline time then I'm probably in agreement with you on going for it.

But if they're hovering around a 2nd wildcard spot and their play has declined, I don't think paying a ton for a short term rental is the most responsible thing to do. At that point I'd rather just upgrade the bottom pairing and see if anyone more affordable is out there and bet on them still being a high-end playoff team.

Or every pass he tries to make. Last week he tried to pass one back to the point and it was like 10 ft over the D's head
- Vukota

We’d rejoice of course.

But the odds of that are always slim, no matter how good the team may be. Not saying acquiring Tarasenko is a bad idea mind you, but only that I’d rather deal futures for someone who’d have a future with this team beyond this year.

Meier’s name has been bandied about before, and as he’s an RFA, he’d certainly be of preference. What’s more, he’s younger AND outscored Tarasenko last year, despite playing on a far inferior team. I’d give up serious assets for a player like that, including Wahlstrom and the 2023 1st unprotected.
- Wildschwein

Look sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Of course a player that isn't a rental or you have some contract with is a plus. These factors are all weighed out
( you hope ) at the end and you make the trade that you feel gives you the best return obviously. Love Meir and I would trade what your saying to get him in a second.
Hopefully the team is in add mode after the New Year!

If they keep playing like they have been and are in the same (or similar) position come deadline time then I'm probably in agreement with you on going for it.

But if they're hovering around a 2nd wildcard spot and their play has declined, I don't think paying a ton for a short term rental is the most responsible thing to do. At that point I'd rather just upgrade the bottom pairing and see if anyone more affordable is out there and bet on them still being a high-end playoff team.
- eichiefs9

Two ecf and then a bad year but they seem reinvigorated under lane ans it looks like it's more fun to play in his system. I think they are a playoff team and once in they know how to win playoff games

If they keep playing like they have been and are in the same (or similar) position come deadline time then I'm probably in agreement with you on going for it.

But if they're hovering around a 2nd wildcard spot and their play has declined, I don't think paying a ton for a short term rental is the most responsible thing to do. At that point I'd rather just upgrade the bottom pairing and see if anyone more affordable is out there and bet on them still being a high-end playoff team.
- eichiefs9

100% of course. You go for it only if the team is in a true position to make a charge. Kinda like Lou bringing in JGP. That worked out to be a young player that certainly gave them more than just a rental.
Again I hope we are having these discussions after the New Year. I think we will.

100% of course. You go for it only if the team is in a true position to make a charge. Kinda like Lou bringing in JGP. That worked out to be a young player that certainly gave them more than just a rental.
Again I hope we are having these discussions after the New Year. I think we will.
- nyisles7

Yeah I'm fine going all-in if it seems like it's worth it. But if not, some small tweaks might be the smartest course of action.

Yeah I'm fine going all-in if it seems like it's worth it. But if not, some small tweaks might be the smartest course of action.
- eichiefs9

Yup, it has to make sense. Thats when the GM job gets real. When those decisions are on the table.

Wally has been given a ton of opportunities and he continues to suck in his own end as well as take bone headed penalties. If he has value and can be packaged for someone then see ya wally
- Upstate_isles

Kid is young needs some time to work through it. Now if something comes along that can really improve the team and he’s part of a package for said improvement then I wouldn’t say no with parting ways.

Kid is young needs some time to work through it. Now if something comes along that can really improve the team and he’s part of a package for said improvement then I wouldn’t say no with parting ways.
- Cptmjl

Right it has to make sense and not just making a trade for the sake if it. I'm not dying to move one of those two either but looking at the roster that's who I see as being the most likely and the ppp line hasn't had a goal scored against them yet. I suppose 7 is correct that barzal and Beau are super tight and they may nit want to trade his best friend

The voice of reason and good sense has spoken. Not everyone can be Connor McJesus out of the gate. Anyone currently think we should dump Palmieri? He’s off to a pretty good start, no?
- jmo16

Terrible contract. Ladd 2.0!

Wally has been given a ton of opportunities and he continues to suck in his own end as well as take bone headed penalties. If he has value and can be packaged for someone then see ya wally
- Upstate_isles

Same can be said of some others….if the price is right. Scoring more consistantly would remedy that. He was benched most of the ranger game, tho but hasnt had a full year yet on the team. He likes to throw the body but is also taking penalties. He has upside and a low cap hit. He’ll get some time to prove himself.

Right it has to make sense and not just making a trade for the sake if it. I'm not dying to move one of those two either but looking at the roster that's who I see as being the most likely and the ppp line hasn't had a goal scored against them yet. I suppose 7 is correct that barzal and Beau are super tight and they may nit want to trade his best friend
- Upstate_isles

Yeah ok if a good trade comes along to help improve the team and the other team wants him part of it I’m sure Lameriello won’t trade him because they’re besties.

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- Nfdbulldawg

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