Couldn't be said any better!
- rayc16

Completely agree. Very well said MB and it’s a saint testament to society today. Montreal dealt with the same situation and our PM had to chime in for political gain ffs.

Agree on comment about his parents. Sounds like they didn’t do a great job at all. My wife is a teacher and almost daily parents are deciding to not hold their kids accountable for small things which turn into big things and blame the teachers.

There’s no moving forward for anyone. I sincerely hope miller can move forward with society and the family forgiving him. Unfortunately, I believe that many in society won’t allow this until the kid is destroyed as it always seems to be a zero sum game now

Two that jump out to me are Josh Hader and Trea Turner in the MLB. Both made posts online as teenagers that were discovered containing slurs of all kinds. Turner is probably set to make upwards of $30 million per year this offseason and Hader just pitched in the NLCS. It almost feels like each sport picks and chooses who they want to discipline and when.

The NFL is rife with domestic abusers, but if you play a skill position it goes away. I remember that one punter (his name escapes me) getting kicked out of the league pretty quick.

In the NHL especially, I remember Patrick Kane having a lot of off the ice issues. Hell, how about Evander Kane last year. All that stuff quickly gets forgotten because of their skill level. But for a 4th round pick trying to get into the league and sign a contract, I guess it is pretty easy to make an example of that guy.
- TobyFlenderson

Values at hockey's highest levels? LOL. He was a kid. If he met all the requirements placed on him by the juvenile court and has not committed any other unknown crimes, then I think he should get the opportunity that his level of play earns.

You didn't address the issue of what in his environment growing up factored into his actions. Kids aren't born evil.
- MJL

Do you know more about why he committed the years of abuse to another individual leading up to and even after the candy incident? Please share. Environment has an effect but so does personality and genetics. Let me say it this way, if you are wrong and he has not been rehabilitated, what can be the potential issues?

I think I have already said everything that needed to be said and to keep repeating myself now will not do any good if you or others were not listening.

Two that jump out to me are Josh Hader and Trea Turner in the MLB. Both made posts online as teenagers that were discovered containing slurs of all kinds. Turner is probably set to make upwards of $30 million per year this offseason and Hader just pitched in the NLCS. It almost feels like each sport picks and chooses who they want to discipline and when.

The NFL is rife with domestic abusers, but if you play a skill position it goes away. I remember that one punter (his name escapes me) getting kicked out of the league pretty quick.

In the NHL especially, I remember Patrick Kane having a lot of off the ice issues. Hell, how about Evander Kane last year. All that stuff quickly gets forgotten because of their skill level. But for a 4th round pick trying to get into the league and sign a contract, I guess it is pretty easy to make an example of that guy.
- TobyFlenderson

It's all about $ - leagues won't do the right thing when it's stars bringing in tons of money but take credit for doing the right thing when it doesn't cost them anything. It's disgusting.

Are there any other current NHL players who made some serious mistakes in their lives as a kid before becoming an NHL player? How about in any other pro sport?
- MJL

or NHL players like Danny Heatley?

There is a better way. The NHL instead of just coming out saying that he can't play in the NHL, should've come out and condemned what he did in the past and said that they were going to ensure that this kid receives counseling and rehabilitation as he plays in the AHL and any opportunity to play in the NHL in the future will be contingent upon the player completing the counseling to a satisfactory level. They had an opportunity to help this kid and they failed.
- MJL

Exactly. The Bruins failed here. Obviously also the league but had the Bruins said we signed this kid, and we have a plan in place for him to do XY and Z to be a better part of the community and learn from others, the league and others would have been more receptive of the signing. It’s not rocket science.

Flyers should sign the kid. I'd be all for giving him a second chance and an opportunity to put his past behind him. But then again, we're dealing with PC idiots at Comcast that take a Kate Smith statue down because of a song in 1937.
- Letterkenney

You must have forgotten all the storms on this board due to TDA signing last summer.
Miller does not stand a chance of acceptance.

There is a better way. The NHL instead of just coming out saying that he can't play in the NHL, should've come out and condemned what he did in the past and said that they were going to ensure that this kid receives counseling and rehabilitation as he plays in the AHL and any opportunity to play in the NHL in the future will be contingent upon the player completing the counseling to a satisfactory level. They had an opportunity to help this kid and they failed.
- MJL

good post cliff. they threw him away like garbage.

Do you know more about why he committed the years of abuse to another individual leading up to and even after the candy incident? Please share. Environment has an effect but so does personality and genetics. Let me say it this way, if you are wrong and he has not been rehabilitated, what can be the potential issues?

I think I have already said everything that needed to be said and to keep repeating myself now will not do any good if you or others were not listening.
- NC Flyers Fan

No child is born evil. Give me a break. You don't place any credence or possibility that is some ways. Miller himself may be a victim. You say we're not listening because we don't agree with you?

There is a better way. The NHL instead of just coming out saying that he can't play in the NHL, should've come out and condemned what he did in the past and said that they were going to ensure that this kid receives counseling and rehabilitation as he plays in the AHL and any opportunity to play in the NHL in the future will be contingent upon the player completing the counseling to a satisfactory level. They had an opportunity to help this kid and they failed.
- MJL

An excellent option and I agree they failed and were too cowardly to take this route. It’s a no forgiveness zero sum game. Destroy the kid instead of helping him and reintegrating him. How fantastic.

I thought that was proven not guilty?
- ClaudeFather

https://www.sportscasting...old-cabbie-over-20-cents/

There is a better way. The NHL instead of just coming out saying that he can't play in the NHL, should've come out and condemned what he did in the past and said that they were going to ensure that this kid receives counseling and rehabilitation as he plays in the AHL and any opportunity to play in the NHL in the future will be contingent upon the player completing the counseling to a satisfactory level. They had an opportunity to help this kid and they failed.
- MJL

This is common sense, that unfortunately is not too common anymore.

There is a better way. The NHL instead of just coming out saying that he can't play in the NHL, should've come out and condemned what he did in the past and said that they were going to ensure that this kid receives counseling and rehabilitation as he plays in the AHL and any opportunity to play in the NHL in the future will be contingent upon the player completing the counseling to a satisfactory level. They had an opportunity to help this kid and they failed.
- MJL

I hoped this is what Bettman meant the Bruins could do and that would happen. I didn’t hear about why not the AHL.

No child is born evil. Give me a break. You don't place any credence or possibility that is some ways. Miller himself may be a victim. You say we're not listening because we don't agree with you?
- MJL

I think the point is to give him another chance. He was very young when this happened. I sincerely doubt that he would try to bully say another nhl player similar to this and if he tried he’d get his ass handed to him and would then be ostracized rightfully having blown his second chance this time as an adult.

You must have forgotten all the storms on this board due to TDA signing last summer.
Miller does not stand a chance of acceptance.
- missingmike

I remember the sheet storms over TDA. And look where they are now?..... crickets... crickets.... crickets.....

This is the way these cancel culture scumbags operate. Ignore them and they move on to the next opportunity to ruin someone else's life.

There is a better way. The NHL instead of just coming out saying that he can't play in the NHL, should've come out and condemned what he did in the past and said that they were going to ensure that this kid receives counseling and rehabilitation as he plays in the AHL and any opportunity to play in the NHL in the future will be contingent upon the player completing the counseling to a satisfactory level. They had an opportunity to help this kid and they failed.
- MJL

Gary said Miller's not welcome "at this point", which means the door is not entirely closed.

The ball is now in the kid's court as far as trying to earn forgiveness from the victim and the public. And the league has made it clear that apologizing thru DM is not gonna cut it.

No child is born evil. Give me a break. You don't place any credence or possibility that is some ways. Miller himself may be a victim. You say we're not listening because we don't agree with you?
- MJL

That is a argument for another day.

Bold—Absolutely not, it is because I keep having to point out that the arc of this is NOT a single incident at age 14. Rather approximately age 8 through whenever he left high school to now.

https://www.sportscasting.com/stanley-cup-champ-patrick-kane-beat-up-a-62-year-old-cabbie-over-20-cents/
- corduroy

Pay the man his money!

Gary said Miller's not welcome "at this point", which means the door is not entirely closed.

The ball is now in the kid's court as far as trying to earn forgiveness from the victim and the public. And the league has made it clear that apologizing thru DM is not gonna cut it.
- Tomahawk

like cliff said has the league tried to help him? have they laid out a plan for him? what is the road back to redemption for him consist of? seems to me the nhl hasnt done or said anything to get him back on track.

so what if the victim doesn't want to accept his forgiveness? then what does the nhl do?

That is a argument for another day.

Bold—Absolutely not, it is because I keep having to point out that the arc of this is NOT a single incident at age 14. Rather approximately age 8 through whenever he left high school to now.
- NC Flyers Fan

so he is still "bullying" this kid? "bullying" others?

I normally don’t announce my departure, but today I want everyone to know,
I will check back tonight. Farewell for now.

Have a thoughtful day, Flyerbuzzards.

The right thing to do is to cancel the cancel brigade by simply ignoring them. It's actually a very tiny minority of sanctimonious scumbags but they have a loud voice because of social media. If the Bruins just simply stuck by their decision and said "we know his past but are giving him a second chance" all of this crap would blow over in a week or less, or at least until the next opportunity for the cancel mob pops up. Then they'll completely forget about this one. They're like vultures moving from one road kill to the next.
- Letterkenney

I agree completely. And this is the case of the loudest voices win. Look what they did to Kate Smith. She couldn't even defend herself and was banned for playing a ROLE where she sang a song in 1931!!!. A song that was also made popular by black artists. She had her name dragged through the mud by cowards.

The Yankees and Flyers could have pushed back and been right in doing so, but the loudest voices won. They caved.

I'm still waiting for Quentin Tarantino to be banned for saying the N-word in a movie while he played a role.

At some point we have to stand up to these immature ninnies and tell them that just because they are offended it doesn't mean crap. Go back to the kids table until you gain some perspective.

Gary said Miller's not welcome "at this point", which means the door is not entirely closed.

The ball is now in the kid's court as far as trying to earn forgiveness from the victim and the public. And the league has made it clear that apologizing thru DM is not gonna cut it.
- Tomahawk

Nobody believes this.

Gary said Miller's not welcome "at this point", which means the door is not entirely closed.

The ball is now in the kid's court as far as trying to earn forgiveness from the victim and the public. And the league has made it clear that apologizing thru DM is not gonna cut it.
- Tomahawk

What Bettman did is basically end any chance he has of playing in the NHL. This was a bean counter decision. Balancing what potential sponsor money could be lost from the bad PR from some woke corporation.

I disagree that he has to earn forgiveness from the victim and the public. He was a kid! Society has an obligation to figure out what happened to cause this kid to do what he did.

That is a argument for another day.

Bold—Absolutely not, it is because I keep having to point out that the arc of this is NOT a single incident at age 14. Rather approximately age 8 through whenever he left high school to now.
- NC Flyers Fan

The error is yours in thinking that is not understood. He was a kid.