I know he had a juvenile hearing, so I assume he was given some kind of punishment. Is that true. If so, at what point does he get an opportunity to go on with his life?
- MJL

Apparently he never does. The issue I have with this situation is that while what he did was obviously terrible, it was done when he was 14 as I understand it. For someone so young, I really hope there is a path for him to learn and become a contributing member of society with people giving him another chance. I think it’s a product of the publicity it received (on cnn for example) and the nhl doesn’t want to deal with the blowback.

The one required by a court order or required in order to sign a professional hockey contract are not personal. One drafted by an agent, attorney or someone else is not personal. Sincere is harder to determine, but letting so much time lapse and saying thing like “maybe I will apologize one day” are not helpful.

Yes, some cases do.

No day like the present, I hope he reflects on his inaction and makes the apology for his years of torment TODAY.

These arguments seem to assume he is already rehabilitated. Evidence loudly suggests Miller is stuck, needs lots of help. Has he had any therapy?
- NC Flyers Fan

what evidence?

Not comical, sad. But also expected. No college will enroll him, ever.
- MBFlyerfan

comical/sad all in the vein.

You are assuming your knowledge of the situation is perfect. It may not be. There may be a bit more nuance to the situation.

The fact that the NHL reacted so vociferously would lean towards your interpretation.

Conversely, it is unlikely the Bruins would not have done their own due diligence considering this guy's history. That said, once they felt they could make an offer to this player, they should have been prepared to stand behind and defend that decision.

It doesn't shock me that they didn't.

Just curious, should he only be excluded from playing professional hockey, or would you extend that to other professions?
- GeorgeBailey

agree 100% as they has to have known the peeps would be coming out of the wood work to criticize the decision. they hung this kid out to dry.

You are assuming your knowledge of the situation is perfect. It may not be. There may be a bit more nuance to the situation.

The fact that the NHL reacted so vociferously would lean towards your interpretation.

Conversely, it is unlikely the Bruins would not have done their own due diligence considering this guy's history. That said, once they felt they could make an offer to this player, they should have been prepared to stand behind and defend that decision.

It doesn't shock me that they didn't.

Just curious, should he only be excluded from playing professional hockey, or would you extend that to other professions?
- GeorgeBailey

Very good points. I think the bruins did their diligence and wanted to give him a second chance personally. What should have been done is that the league and the ahl etc should have all Ben on the same page then it should have been announced with the reasoning for the singing.

I know the question wasn’t directed to me but if society looks at banning people from adult professions for what they did as kids, we’re going to have a lot of unemployed people.

Apparently he never does. The issue I have with this situation is that while what he did was obviously terrible, it was done when he was 14 as I understand it. For someone so young, I really hope there is a path for him to learn and become a contributing member of society with people giving him another chance. I think it’s a product of the publicity it received (on cnn for example) and the nhl doesn’t want to deal with the blowback.
- Hextall271

Nor do the Bruins. That is a huge issue.

The cancel brigade will be out in full force. Do the Bruins or the NHL want to deal with that? Hell no they don't.

You are assuming your knowledge of the situation is perfect. It may not be. There may be a bit more nuance to the situation.

The fact that the NHL reacted so vociferously would lean towards your interpretation.

Conversely, it is unlikely the Bruins would not have done their own due diligence considering this guy's history. That said, once they felt they could make an offer to this player, they should have been prepared to stand behind and defend that decision.

It doesn't shock me that they didn't.

Just curious, should he only be excluded from playing professional hockey, or would you extend that to other professions?
- GeorgeBailey

It is obviously not my decision. If I were looking to hire and he was a candidate, with what I do know, no, I would not at this time.

what evidence?
- hello it's me 2050

His own words and lack of action.

Nor do the Bruins. That is a huge issue.

The cancel brigade will be out in full force. Do the Bruins or the NHL want to deal with that? Hell no they don't.
- MBFlyerfan

this is why I cant wait to see anything happens with those sexual assault allegations. what will the nhl do?

why are they not on suspension now ? hell- look what happed to ian cole. now I am not sure if it was tampa or the league that temporary suspended him.

No, you have missed the point. The Bruins didn’t do their jobs with due diligence prior to the signing. This is the good side of being American, not the bad side. The public pointed out the egregious error.

Nothing has been “done” to Miller, just like nothing changed and no personal, sincere apology has been given by him to the victim of his years of bullying.

“Backlash”…only to the Bruins for being incompetent.
- NC Flyers Fan

That’s completely false, this was 100% a caving by the Bruins. This kids USHL production is literally unheard of as a Dman. They also saw everything with Arizona. Coward move by the Bruins. This kid of talent isn’t miraculously left unsigned

Here is the problem I have. It is indicative of a larger issue where we have been going after people for things they have done as children and trying to make sure they can't have a life.

According to the court papers he did indeed apologize. Was it sincere or not? That is not up to us to decide. But apparently it is up to us. It wasn't a good enough apology, it wasn't sincere. My opinion of what was said is more important and accurate than yours blah blah blah.

We have become a society of self important arbiters of what is considered acceptable. Facts or context be damned. What Miller did as a kid was reprehensible. And if I had to put in my opinion of it, his parents share some of the blame for him being an entitled little POS who felt it was ok to do this.

We ALL did and said some questionable crap when we were young (if you say otherwise you are a liar). Some are worse than others.

People are going on and on about how it's about the apology and is it sincere enough. It will be impossible for it to be sincere because people will just say he is apologizing to save his career and he doesn't really mean it. Or its too late. Or some other such thing.

The bottom line is that the bullied kids parents have Miller's livelihood in their hands now. He is their hostage now. Is it possible for Miller to give a sincere apology for something he did as a kid? People will always question his motives for apologizing. IMO he could be 100% sincere for all the right reasons and people will not believe him, and that is their prerogative.

In the end, the bigger issue is that we have become a society where there is no forgiveness, no statute of limitations, no perspective, no ability to demonstrate critical thinking where self important egotistical self appointed judges feel like their opinion actually matters in the grand scheme.

Next it will be 10 year olds. Then 8 year olds. And so on until you are destroyed by any act in your past no matter your age. If you don't think so then proceed at your own risk.

Do I feel bad for the bullied kid? Damn right I do. I hope he can live his life. I feel bad that every time Miller will try to do something, the press will be running right back to this family to put that guy through the trauma of having to talk about it and relive it instead of just being able to move on. Same with his family. But we all know that will never happen. Miller will apologize, again, and the press will be at the family's door, making them relive it and the bullied kid relive it, over and over again. No winners. Everyone loses. Until the end of days.
- MBFlyerfan

No further comment needed.

His own words and lack of action.
- NC Flyers Fan

he apologized. you are just not satisfied with his apology.

what lack of action? elaborate.

It is obviously not my decision. If I were looking to hire and he was a candidate, with what I do know, no, I would not at this time.
- NC Flyers Fan

And that is within your right to do so. For a myriad of good reasons.

If you heard he was being hired somewhere else would you protest that company or place of business and make it difficult for them to operate? Would you threaten them and try to destroy them? Try to get them shut down or make it impossible for them to do business?

Probably not. But you are a reasonable person. Today many are not.

I think the bruins did their diligence and wanted to give him a second chance personally.
- Hextall271

If Miller doesn't have talent and doesn't have a big year in the USHL, Neely and Sweeney wouldn't have touched the kid with a 100-mile pole. It's not about believing in second chances or any personal fondness, it was a cynical move to improve their sad farm system.

Apparently he never does. The issue I have with this situation is that while what he did was obviously terrible, it was done when he was 14 as I understand it. For someone so young, I really hope there is a path for him to learn and become a contributing member of society with people giving him another chance. I think it’s a product of the publicity it received (on cnn for example) and the nhl doesn’t want to deal with the blowback.
- Hextall271

Miller has had and continues to have ample opportunity to apologize and show change. He has yet to do that. Hopefully, he can understand that now and this whole diabolical will not be wasted.

I believe in forgiveness, change for the better and hope.

It is obviously not my decision. If I were looking to hire and he was a candidate, with what I do know, no, I would not at this time.
- NC Flyers Fan

I understand that is what you would do personally.

If someone else did their due diligence and decided to hire him, would you respect that decision or protest it?

Miller has had and continues to have ample opportunity to apologize and show change. He has yet to do that. Hopefully, he can understand that now and this whole diabolical will not be wasted.

I believe in forgiveness, change for the better and hope.
- NC Flyers Fan

how do you know this? you dont.

That’s completely false, this was 100% a caving by the Bruins. This kids USHL production is literally unheard of as a Dman. They also saw everything with Arizona. Coward move by the Bruins. This kid of talent isn’t miraculously left unsigned
- ClaudeFather

Love how the Bruins are so bad at PR that they've somehow managed to piss EVERYBODY off in this process -- right, left, center, hockey fans, non-hockey fans, like literally everybody.

And that is within your right to do so. For a myriad of good reasons.

If you heard he was being hired somewhere else would you protest that company or place of business and make it difficult for them to operate? Would you threaten them and try to destroy them? Try to get them shut down or make it impossible for them to do business?

Probably not. But you are a reasonable person. Today many are not.
- MBFlyerfan

No, I would not involve myself as it isn’t my business. The only reason I do so in this case is because the NHL is the highest level of hockey played in the world. It has openly said that it strives to make hockey for everyone. Accepting a player with highly questionable values into that privileged, public space is hypocritical and should be questioned IMO.

The one required by a court order or required in order to sign a professional hockey contract are not personal. One drafted by an agent, attorney or someone else is not personal. Sincere is harder to determine, but letting so much time lapse and saying thing like “maybe I will apologize one day” are not helpful.

Yes, some cases do.

No day like the present, I hope he reflects on his inaction and makes the apology for his years of torment TODAY.

These arguments seem to assume he is already rehabilitated. Evidence loudly suggests Miller is stuck, needs lots of help. Has he had any therapy?
- NC Flyers Fan

So a court ordered part of his punishment is not satisfactory in this society so he can move on with his life? What is the purpose of it then? There is nothing wrong with having someone help him in forming an apology. If the meaning of it comes from him.

It seems to me that what is happening in this situation is going to ensure that Miller remains stuck. As reprehensible and awful as what he did is. we need to remember that he was a kid. What in his environment of upbringing factored into him doing that to another human being? There are arguments being made that he hasn't been rehabilitated. If he hasn't had counseling or therapy, who is to blame for that? Seems there is failure all around.

Playing in the NHL is a privilege, not a right.

Fix your life and find a new career, kid.

how do you know this? you dont.
- hello it's me 2050

If it exists and you know, then do share. Now would be the perfect time to enlighten us all with this strangely hidden, vitally important information.

No, I would not involve myself as it isn’t my business. The only reason I do so in this case is because the NHL is the highest level of hockey played in the world. It has openly said that it strives to make hockey for everyone. Accepting a player with highly questionable values into that privileged, public space is hypocritical and should be questioned IMO.
- NC Flyers Fan

they have accepted murderers, rapist, and others in this privileged sport. precedent already set.

Here is the problem I have. It is indicative of a larger issue where we have been going after people for things they have done as children and trying to make sure they can't have a life.

According to the court papers he did indeed apologize. Was it sincere or not? That is not up to us to decide. But apparently it is up to us. It wasn't a good enough apology, it wasn't sincere. My opinion of what was said is more important and accurate than yours blah blah blah.

We have become a society of self important arbiters of what is considered acceptable. Facts or context be damned. What Miller did as a kid was reprehensible. And if I had to put in my opinion of it, his parents share some of the blame for him being an entitled little POS who felt it was ok to do this.

We ALL did and said some questionable crap when we were young (if you say otherwise you are a liar). Some are worse than others.

People are going on and on about how it's about the apology and is it sincere enough. It will be impossible for it to be sincere because people will just say he is apologizing to save his career and he doesn't really mean it. Or its too late. Or some other such thing.

The bottom line is that the bullied kids parents have Miller's livelihood in their hands now. He is their hostage now. Is it possible for Miller to give a sincere apology for something he did as a kid? People will always question his motives for apologizing. IMO he could be 100% sincere for all the right reasons and people will not believe him, and that is their prerogative.

In the end, the bigger issue is that we have become a society where there is no forgiveness, no statute of limitations, no perspective, no ability to demonstrate critical thinking where self important egotistical self appointed judges feel like their opinion actually matters in the grand scheme.

Next it will be 10 year olds. Then 8 year olds. And so on until you are destroyed by any act in your past no matter your age. If you don't think so then proceed at your own risk.

Do I feel bad for the bullied kid? Damn right I do. I hope he can live his life. I feel bad that every time Miller will try to do something, the press will be running right back to this family to put that guy through the trauma of having to talk about it and relive it instead of just being able to move on. Same with his family. But we all know that will never happen. Miller will apologize, again, and the press will be at the family's door, making them relive it and the bullied kid relive it, over and over again. No winners. Everyone loses. Until the end of days.
- MBFlyerfan

Couldn't be said any better!

If it exists and you know, then do share. Now would be the perfect time to enlighten us all with this strangely hidden, vitally important information.
- NC Flyers Fan

you made the comment not me Holmes. so tell me how he hasnt shown any change.