Happy to see the man sitting someone with disappointing play no matter what the salary, its been awhile since we had a coach do that - I am sure its not what the GM is always hoping to see but Torts job is to put the best team forward - Maybe he actually takes that seriously.
- GPerogie

didnt AV bench TK and others?

"Based on new information, we believe it is the best decision at this time to rescind the opportunity for Mitchell Miller to represent the Boston Bruins. We hope that he continues to work with professionals and programs to further his education and personal growth."
-Cam Neely

What a gutless coward Neely and their front office are!! There was no new information! Arizona knew in 2020 the extent of Miller's sociopathic behavior, that is why they renounced their draft pick in 2020! What Neely and the Bruins did was is incomprehensible. They tried to sneak a signing of this monster through on a Friday and hoped no one would notice and it blew up in their face with backlash from Gary Bettman, to their head coach, their players and their fan base. I am sure Neely was given an ultimatum by Bruins ownership (Charlie Jacobs) and he complied. Still, this should tell you the state of the Bruin's farm system if they need to resort to signing players like this!

What a gutless coward Neely and their front office are!! There was no new information! Arizona knew in 2020 the extent of Miller's sociopathic behavior, that is why they renounced their draft pick in 2020! What Neely and the Bruins did was is incomprehensible. They tried to sneak a signing of this monster through on a Friday and hoped no one would notice and it blew up in their face with backlash from Gary Bettman, to their head coach, their players and their fan base. I am sure Neely was given an ultimatum by Bruins ownership (Charlie Jacobs) and he complied. Still, this should tell you the state of the Bruin's farm system if they need to resort to signing players like this!
- jd250

What a gutless coward Neely and their front office are!! There was no new information! Arizona knew in 2020 the extent of Miller's sociopathic behavior, that is why they renounced their draft pick in 2020! What Neely and the Bruins did was is incomprehensible. They tried to sneak a signing of this monster through on a Friday and hoped no one would notice and it blew up in their face with backlash from Gary Bettman, to their head coach, their players and their fan base. I am sure Neely was given an ultimatum by Bruins ownership (Charlie Jacobs) and he complied. Still, this should tell you the state of the Bruin's farm system if they need to resort to signing players like this!
- jd250

agree. he caved to peer pressure.

really unamerican what they ae doing to this individual. if this was a different sport would the backlash be this severe.

their farm system has noting to do with it, the kid clearly has talent.

agree. he caved to peer pressure.

really unamerican what they ae doing to this individual. if this was a different sport would the backlash be this severe.

their farm system has noting to do with it, the kid clearly has talent.
- hello it's me 2050

No, you have missed the point. The Bruins didn’t do their jobs with due diligence prior to the signing. This is the good side of being American, not the bad side. The public pointed out the egregious error.

Nothing has been “done” to Miller, just like nothing changed and no personal, sincere apology has been given by him to the victim of his years of bullying.

“Backlash”…only to the Bruins for being incompetent.

No, you have missed the point. The Bruins didn’t do their jobs with due diligence prior to the signing. This is the good side of being American, not the bad side. The public pointed out the egregious error.

Nothing has been “done” to Miller, just like nothing changed and no personal, sincere apology has been given by him to the victim of his years of bullying.

“Backlash”…only to the Bruins for being incompetent.
- NC Flyers Fan

Well said!

No, you have missed the point. The Bruins didn’t do their jobs with due diligence prior to the signing. This is the good side of being American, not the bad side. The public pointed out the egregious error.

Nothing has been “done” to Miller, just like nothing changed and no personal, sincere apology has been given by him to the victim of his years of bullying.

“Backlash”…only to the Bruins for being incompetent.
- NC Flyers Fan

I didnt miss any point. they absolutely did their due diligence. only a fool would believe otherwise. they didn't do their due diligence lol.

bruins were not incompetent. they knew exactly what they were doing. then when the "backlash" was more than they expected they caved.

I didnt miss any point. they absolutely did their due diligence. only a fool would believe otherwise. they didn't do their due diligence lol.

bruins were not incompetent. they knew exactly what they were doing. then when the "backlash" was more than they expected they caved.
- hello it's me 2050

So you believe the Bruins are stupid and lack a professional level of ethics. Even worse for them! The Scum

No, you have missed the point. The Bruins didn’t do their jobs with due diligence prior to the signing. This is the good side of being American, not the bad side. The public pointed out the egregious error.

Nothing has been “done” to Miller, just like nothing changed and no personal, sincere apology has been given by him to the victim of his years of bullying.

“Backlash”…only to the Bruins for being incompetent.
- NC Flyers Fan

I know he had a juvenile hearing, so I assume he was given some kind of punishment. Is that true. If so, at what point does he get an opportunity to go on with his life?

So you believe the Bruins are stupid and lack a professional level of ethics. Even worse for them! The Scum
- NC Flyers Fan

the bruins knew exactly what they were doing when they offered him a contract. they clearly knew 100% about his past. you claimed they didn't do their due diligence, well that is laughable imo.

them having a lack for professional ethics, in your opinion, is a different conversation.

to ban this kid is wrong at this time. you disagree.

it would be funny to see if any those players involved in that sexual assault are on the bruins.

I didnt miss any point. they absolutely did their due diligence. only a fool would believe otherwise. they didn't do their due diligence lol.

bruins were not incompetent. they knew exactly what they were doing. then when the "backlash" was more than they expected they caved.
- hello it's me 2050

Here is the problem I have. It is indicative of a larger issue where we have been going after people for things they have done as children and trying to make sure they can't have a life.

According to the court papers he did indeed apologize. Was it sincere or not? That is not up to us to decide. But apparently it is up to us. It wasn't a good enough apology, it wasn't sincere. My opinion of what was said is more important and accurate than yours blah blah blah.

We have become a society of self important arbiters of what is considered acceptable. Facts or context be damned. What Miller did as a kid was reprehensible. And if I had to put in my opinion of it, his parents share some of the blame for him being an entitled little POS who felt it was ok to do this.

We ALL did and said some questionable crap when we were young (if you say otherwise you are a liar). Some are worse than others.

People are going on and on about how it's about the apology and is it sincere enough. It will be impossible for it to be sincere because people will just say he is apologizing to save his career and he doesn't really mean it. Or its too late. Or some other such thing.

The bottom line is that the bullied kids parents have Miller's livelihood in their hands now. He is their hostage now. Is it possible for Miller to give a sincere apology for something he did as a kid? People will always question his motives for apologizing. IMO he could be 100% sincere for all the right reasons and people will not believe him, and that is their prerogative.

In the end, the bigger issue is that we have become a society where there is no forgiveness, no statute of limitations, no perspective, no ability to demonstrate critical thinking where self important egotistical self appointed judges feel like their opinion actually matters in the grand scheme.

Next it will be 10 year olds. Then 8 year olds. And so on until you are destroyed by any act in your past no matter your age. If you don't think so then proceed at your own risk.

Do I feel bad for the bullied kid? Damn right I do. I hope he can live his life. I feel bad that every time Miller will try to do something, the press will be running right back to this family to put that guy through the trauma of having to talk about it and relive it instead of just being able to move on. Same with his family. But we all know that will never happen. Miller will apologize, again, and the press will be at the family's door, making them relive it and the bullied kid relive it, over and over again. No winners. Everyone loses. Until the end of days.

Here is the problem I have. It is indicative of a larger issue where we have been going after people for things they have done as children and trying to make sure they can't have a life.

According to the court papers he did indeed apologize. Was it sincere or not? That is not up to us to decide. But apparently it is up to us. It wasn't a good enough apology, it wasn't sincere. My opinion of what was said is more important and accurate than yours blah blah blah.

We have become a society of self important arbiters of what is considered acceptable. Facts or context be damned. What Miller did as a kid was reprehensible. And if I had to put in my opinion of it, his parents share some of the blame for him being an entitled little POS who felt it was ok to do this.

We ALL did and said some questionable crap when we were young (if you say otherwise you are a liar). Some are worse than others.

People are going on and on about how it's about the apology and is it sincere enough. It will be impossible for it to be sincere because people will just say he is apologizing to save his career and he doesn't really mean it. Or its too late. Or some other such thing.

The bottom line is that the bullied kids parents have Miller's livelihood in their hands now. He is their hostage now. Is it possible for Miller to give a sincere apology for something he did as a kid? People will always question his motives for apologizing. IMO he could be 100% sincere for all the right reasons and people will not believe him, and that is their prerogative.

In the end, the bigger issue is that we have become a society where there is no forgiveness, no statute of limitations, no perspective, no ability to demonstrate critical thinking where self important egotistical self appointed judges feel like their opinion actually matters in the grand scheme.

Next it will be 10 year olds. Then 8 year olds. And so on until you are destroyed by any act in your past no matter your age. If you don't think so then proceed at your own risk.

Do I feel bad for the bullied kid? Damn right I do. I hope he can live his life. I feel bad that every time Miller will try to do something, the press will be running right back to this family to put that guy through the trauma of having to talk about it and relive it instead of just being able to move on. Same with his family. But we all know that will never happen. Miller will apologize, again, and the press will be at the family's door, making them relive it and the bullied kid relive it, over and over again. No winners. Everyone loses. Until the end of days.
- MBFlyerfan

Brilliantly said. Let's make sure that Miller is never rehabilitated, has no future and gives into whatever questionable upbringing he went through to commit those acts. Make sure he stays a criminal and a dredge on society.

I know he had a juvenile hearing, so I assume he was given some kind of punishment. Is that true. If so, at what point does he get an opportunity to go on with his life?
- MJL

He continued bullying after that and has never made a sincere personal apology. He goes on with his life every day. If he wants privileges, he should demonstrate that he is no longer that person. That starts with a real apology, a demonstration that he realizes the pain his years of torment caused another individual. It continues with showing a desire to better himself, using his lessons learned to help others, in real actions. Not the crap his agent put out about volunteer work, only to have named programs come out and say Miller never actually did any volunteer work with them. At the point that it can be identified that someone is changing for the better, then a person gets new opportunities.

Here is the problem I have. It is indicative of a larger issue where we have been going after people for things they have done as children and trying to make sure they can't have a life.

According to the court papers he did indeed apologize. Was it sincere or not? That is not up to us to decide. But apparently it is up to us. It wasn't a good enough apology, it wasn't sincere. My opinion of what was said is more important and accurate than yours blah blah blah.

We have become a society of self important arbiters of what is considered acceptable. Facts or context be damned. What Miller did as a kid was reprehensible. And if I had to put in my opinion of it, his parents share some of the blame for him being an entitled little POS who felt it was ok to do this.

We ALL did and said some questionable crap when we were young (if you say otherwise you are a liar). Some are worse than others.

People are going on and on about how it's about the apology and is it sincere enough. It will be impossible for it to be sincere because people will just say he is apologizing to save his career and he doesn't really mean it. Or its too late. Or some other such thing.

The bottom line is that the bullied kids parents have Miller's livelihood in their hands now. He is their hostage now. Is it possible for Miller to give a sincere apology for something he did as a kid? People will always question his motives for apologizing. IMO he could be 100% sincere for all the right reasons and people will not believe him, and that is their prerogative.

In the end, the bigger issue is that we have become a society where there is no forgiveness, no statute of limitations, no perspective, no ability to demonstrate critical thinking where self important egotistical self appointed judges feel like their opinion actually matters in the grand scheme.

Next it will be 10 year olds. Then 8 year olds. And so on until you are destroyed by any act in your past no matter your age. If you don't think so then proceed at your own risk.

Do I feel bad for the bullied kid? Damn right I do. I hope he can live his life. I feel bad that every time Miller will try to do something, the press will be running right back to this family to put that guy through the trauma of having to talk about it and relive it instead of just being able to move on. Same with his family. But we all know that will never happen. Miller will apologize, again, and the press will be at the family's door, making them relive it and the bullied kid relive it, over and over again. No winners. Everyone loses. Until the end of days.
- MBFlyerfan

the bottom line to me is he was 14 fn years old. you move on. shouldn't be held against him for future work. it is wrong.

there are now some stuff coming out about the family and kid who was bullied. they apparently are not angels in any way. some stories are out there how the victim also was bulling girls. how he isn't as disabled as the parents are claiming. just passing along what i read.

as far as being sincere, you nailed only 1 person knows if he is or isnt. people on his said will say he is, on other side say he isn't.

He continued bullying after that and has never made a sincere personal apology. He goes on with his life every day. If he wants privileges, he should demonstrate that he is no longer that person. That starts with a real apology, a demonstration that he realizes the pain his years of torment caused another individual. It continues with showing a desire to better himself, using his lessons learned to help others, in real actions. Not the crap his agent put out about volunteer work, only to have named programs come out and say Miller never actually did any volunteer work with them. At the point that it can be identified that someone is changing for the better, then a person gets new opportunities.
- NC Flyers Fan

What determines what a real apology is? Who determines what a real apology is?

Do we require adult criminals who commit serious crimes once rehabilitated to help others to get an opportunity to go on with their lives once released from prison?

Here is the problem I have. It is indicative of a larger issue where we have been going after people for things they have done as children and trying to make sure they can't have a life.

According to the court papers he did indeed apologize. Was it sincere or not? That is not up to us to decide. But apparently it is up to us. It wasn't a good enough apology, it wasn't sincere. My opinion of what was said is more important and accurate than yours blah blah blah.

We have become a society of self important arbiters of what is considered acceptable. Facts or context be damned. What Miller did as a kid was reprehensible. And if I had to put in my opinion of it, his parents share some of the blame for him being an entitled little POS who felt it was ok to do this.

We ALL did and said some questionable crap when we were young (if you say otherwise you are a liar). Some are worse than others.

People are going on and on about how it's about the apology and is it sincere enough. It will be impossible for it to be sincere because people will just say he is apologizing to save his career and he doesn't really mean it. Or its too late. Or some other such thing.

The bottom line is that the bullied kids parents have Miller's livelihood in their hands now. He is their hostage now. Is it possible for Miller to give a sincere apology for something he did as a kid? People will always question his motives for apologizing. IMO he could be 100% sincere for all the right reasons and people will not believe him, and that is their prerogative.

In the end, the bigger issue is that we have become a society where there is no forgiveness, no statute of limitations, no perspective, no ability to demonstrate critical thinking where self important egotistical self appointed judges feel like their opinion actually matters in the grand scheme.

Next it will be 10 year olds. Then 8 year olds. And so on until you are destroyed by any act in your past no matter your age. If you don't think so then proceed at your own risk.

Do I feel bad for the bullied kid? Damn right I do. I hope he can live his life. I feel bad that every time Miller will try to do something, the press will be running right back to this family to put that guy through the trauma of having to talk about it and relive it instead of just being able to move on. Same with his family. But we all know that will never happen. Miller will apologize, again, and the press will be at the family's door, making them relive it and the bullied kid relive it, over and over again. No winners. Everyone loses. Until the end of days.
- MBFlyerfan

1 winner=Press

Here is the problem I have. It is indicative of a larger issue where we have been going after people for things they have done as children and trying to make sure they can't have a life.

According to the court papers he did indeed apologize. Was it sincere or not? That is not up to us to decide. But apparently it is up to us. It wasn't a good enough apology, it wasn't sincere. My opinion of what was said is more important and accurate than yours blah blah blah.

We have become a society of self important arbiters of what is considered acceptable. Facts or context be damned. What Miller did as a kid was reprehensible. And if I had to put in my opinion of it, his parents share some of the blame for him being an entitled little POS who felt it was ok to do this.

We ALL did and said some questionable crap when we were young (if you say otherwise you are a liar). Some are worse than others.

People are going on and on about how it's about the apology and is it sincere enough. It will be impossible for it to be sincere because people will just say he is apologizing to save his career and he doesn't really mean it. Or its too late. Or some other such thing.

The bottom line is that the bullied kids parents have Miller's livelihood in their hands now. He is their hostage now. Is it possible for Miller to give a sincere apology for something he did as a kid? People will always question his motives for apologizing. IMO he could be 100% sincere for all the right reasons and people will not believe him, and that is their prerogative.

In the end, the bigger issue is that we have become a society where there is no forgiveness, no statute of limitations, no perspective, no ability to demonstrate critical thinking where self important egotistical self appointed judges feel like their opinion actually matters in the grand scheme.

Next it will be 10 year olds. Then 8 year olds. And so on until you are destroyed by any act in your past no matter your age. If you don't think so then proceed at your own risk.

Do I feel bad for the bullied kid? Damn right I do. I hope he can live his life. I feel bad that every time Miller will try to do something, the press will be running right back to this family to put that guy through the trauma of having to talk about it and relive it instead of just being able to move on. Same with his family. But we all know that will never happen. Miller will apologize, again, and the press will be at the family's door, making them relive it and the bullied kid relive it, over and over again. No winners. Everyone loses. Until the end of days.
- MBFlyerfan

I agree with much of what you said. I still think Miller needs to get in front of this whole thing publicly and settle things with the victim face to face if the guy and his family are willing to do it. The ideal time would be today. I would hate to see the young man’s life ruined at 20, much like I would also like to see the victim get closure and some love thrown his way. There is nothing more putrid then a bully or one human being able to devalue another human on any level….I just hope there can be some resolution, but that’s really up to the individuals.

Here is the problem I have. It is indicative of a larger issue where we have been going after people for things they have done as children and trying to make sure they can't have a life.

According to the court papers he did indeed apologize. Was it sincere or not? That is not up to us to decide. But apparently it is up to us. It wasn't a good enough apology, it wasn't sincere. My opinion of what was said is more important and accurate than yours blah blah blah.

We have become a society of self important arbiters of what is considered acceptable. Facts or context be damned. What Miller did as a kid was reprehensible. And if I had to put in my opinion of it, his parents share some of the blame for him being an entitled little POS who felt it was ok to do this.

We ALL did and said some questionable crap when we were young (if you say otherwise you are a liar). Some are worse than others.

People are going on and on about how it's about the apology and is it sincere enough. It will be impossible for it to be sincere because people will just say he is apologizing to save his career and he doesn't really mean it. Or its too late. Or some other such thing.

The bottom line is that the bullied kids parents have Miller's livelihood in their hands now. He is their hostage now. Is it possible for Miller to give a sincere apology for something he did as a kid? People will always question his motives for apologizing. IMO he could be 100% sincere for all the right reasons and people will not believe him, and that is their prerogative.

In the end, the bigger issue is that we have become a society where there is no forgiveness, no statute of limitations, no perspective, no ability to demonstrate critical thinking where self important egotistical self appointed judges feel like their opinion actually matters in the grand scheme.

Next it will be 10 year olds. Then 8 year olds. And so on until you are destroyed by any act in your past no matter your age. If you don't think so then proceed at your own risk.

Do I feel bad for the bullied kid? Damn right I do. I hope he can live his life. I feel bad that every time Miller will try to do something, the press will be running right back to this family to put that guy through the trauma of having to talk about it and relive it instead of just being able to move on. Same with his family. But we all know that will never happen. Miller will apologize, again, and the press will be at the family's door, making them relive it and the bullied kid relive it, over and over again. No winners. Everyone loses. Until the end of days.
- MBFlyerfan

First bold—Yes, people, including the family will most likely question an apology at this point after so many years have elapsed. It doesn’t mean he should not do one. He should acknowledge that this was not an isolated incident but a pattern of horrible behavior on his part. Then go out an do the volunteer work because it is the right thing to do, not because he expects payment in the form of hockey opportunities. It is important to remember that Miller wasn’t the only bully originally and the other bully apologized, was forgiven and no longer stuck being accused of this behavior.

Second bold—Society gets it wrong a lot of times. Fails to forgive and move past something that was settled. It takes critical thinking to admit when society is actually right.

Third bold—I pity Miller. I feel bad for the victim and family having to deal with this again due to hockey organizations lacking competence in their decisions.

I agree with much of what you said. I still think Miller needs to get in front of this whole thing publicly and settle things with the victim face to face if the guy and his family are willing to do it. The ideal time would be today. I would hate to see the young man’s life ruined at 20, much like I would also like to see the victim get closure and some love thrown his way. There is nothing more putrid then a bully or one human being able to devalue another human on any level….I just hope there can be some resolution, but that’s really up to the individuals.
- landros 2

He certainly does need to get in front of it. What I think happens though is that in the end Miller will try to play in Europe or Russia. The downside of that is the press will still be banging on that family's door asking for their opinion and it starts all over again, rinse wash repeat.

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didnt AV bench TK and others?
- hello it's me 2050

TK has been scratched in his career but scratching a young TK isn’t scratching let’s say a Voracek or a Giroux at that time. Konency is currently our most dangerous player.

He certainly does need to get in front of it. What I think happens though is that in the end Miller will try to play in Europe or Russia. The downside of that is the press will still be banging on that family's door asking for their opinion and it starts all over again, rinse wash repeat.
- MBFlyerfan

he will def have to go to europe at this time. comical all colleges have shut the door on him. funny when you see what current ncaa football and basketball players do/ have done.

What determines what a real apology is? Who determines what a real apology is?

Do we require adult criminals who commit serious crimes once rehabilitated to help others to get an opportunity to go on with their lives once released from prison?
- MJL

The one required by a court order or required in order to sign a professional hockey contract are not personal. One drafted by an agent, attorney or someone else is not personal. Sincere is harder to determine, but letting so much time lapse and saying thing like “maybe I will apologize one day” are not helpful.

Yes, some cases do.

No day like the present, I hope he reflects on his inaction and makes the apology for his years of torment TODAY.

These arguments seem to assume he is already rehabilitated. Evidence loudly suggests Miller is stuck, needs lots of help. Has he had any therapy?

he will def have to go to europe at this time. comical all colleges have shut the door on him. funny when you see what current ncaa football and basketball players do/ have done.
- hello it's me 2050

Not comical, sad. But also expected. No college will enroll him, ever.

So you believe the Bruins are stupid and lack a professional level of ethics. Even worse for them! The Scum
- NC Flyers Fan

You are assuming your knowledge of the situation is perfect. It may not be. There may be a bit more nuance to the situation.

The fact that the NHL reacted so vociferously would lean towards your interpretation.

Conversely, it is unlikely the Bruins would not have done their own due diligence considering this guy's history. That said, once they felt they could make an offer to this player, they should have been prepared to stand behind and defend that decision.

It doesn't shock me that they didn't.

Just curious, should he only be excluded from playing professional hockey, or would you extend that to other professions?