This team deserves better. I rest my case there.
- lacaprup

Penguins projected lineup

Jake Guentzel -- Sidney Crosby -- Bryan Rust

Jason Zucker -- Evgeni Malkin -- Rickard Rakell

Danton Heinen -- Drew O'Connor -- Kasperi Kapanen

Brock McGinn -- Ryan Poehling -- Josh Archibald

Brian Dumoulin -- Jeff Petry

Marcus Pettersson -- Jan Rutta

Pierre-Olivier Joseph -- Chad Ruhwedel

Casey DeSmith

HoF defenseman still out of the lineup. Hit the Sabres on the puckline hard tonight, boys.

tage thompson already won nhl player of this week and it's Wed afternoon

Because it's embarrassing.
- lacaprup

Think of it has a Rohrscach test. You can either see the improving attendance as a sign that the people are coming back after 12+ years of stink or you can see it as a continued failure. The glass (and the arena, some nights) are half full. You can choose to see it how you want.

If you choose to take the pessimist route (and it seems that you have), at what point did the stink end enough so that the fans should have been back? Surely you don't think that they should have continued to fill the building during the worst parts of the stink?

Penguins projected lineup

Jake Guentzel -- Sidney Crosby -- Bryan Rust

Jason Zucker -- Evgeni Malkin -- Rickard Rakell

Danton Heinen -- Drew O'Connor -- Kasperi Kapanen

Brock McGinn -- Ryan Poehling -- Josh Archibald

Brian Dumoulin -- Jeff Petry

Marcus Pettersson -- Jan Rutta

Pierre-Olivier Joseph -- Chad Ruhwedel

Casey DeSmith

HoF defenseman still out of the lineup. Hit the Sabres on the puckline hard tonight, boys.
- lacaprup

If Adams traded Krebs and Quinn for Kane, would every home game hereafter be sold out, thus alleviating your "embarrassment?"

If Adams traded Krebs and Quinn for Kane, would every home game hereafter be sold out, thus alleviating your "embarrassment?"
- RichardRoma

That is a big fat gigantic "no".

Think of it has a Rohrscach test. You can either see the improving attendance as a sign that the people are coming back after 12+ years of stink or you can see it as a continued failure. The glass (and the arena, some nights) are half full. You can choose to see it how you want.

If you choose to take the pessimist route (and it seems that you have), at what point did the stink end enough so that the fans should have been back? Surely you don't think that they should have continued to fill the building during the worst parts of the stink?
- Slump Buster

I have not seen improvement in attendance from the last half of last season. It’s been very empty. If ticketmaster's map for tonight is correct it's going to be very empty again and that with 25% Pens fans.

I don't see the improvement. The team is doing its part.

Edit: if Sabre fans were as locked in as we're given credit for, the arena would be starting to fill up not struggling for 10k

I have not seen improvement in attendance from the last half of last season. It’s been very empty. If ticketmaster's map for tonight is correct it's going to be very empty again and that with 25% Pens fans.

I don't see the improvement. The team is doing its part.
- lacaprup

So you're pushing the narrative but you have no idea if it is accurate? Unlike most narratives (Mitts stinks, Asplund stinks, etc) this one is provably true or false.

So you're pushing the narrative but you have no idea if it is accurate? Unlike most narratives (Mitts stinks, Asplund stinks, etc) this one is provably true or false.
- Slump Buster

? You lost me here. What narrative am I pushing? We have a solid team. We have two hall of fame forwards playing us tonight. We have a few thousands Pens fans coming. We'll still be 8,000 short of a sell out. That not a narrative I'm pushing. Thems the facts.

So you're pushing the narrative but you have no idea if it is accurate? Unlike most narratives (Mitts stinks, Asplund stinks, etc) this one is provably true or false.
- Slump Buster

Average attendance last year: 9998
Average attendance this year so far: 12760

https://www.hockeydb.com/...ce/att_graph.php?tmi=5054

It is still early in the season, they played a home game on Halloween night

If they keep winning, the arena will get more full

Average attendance last year: 9998
Average attendance this year so far: 12760

https://www.hockeydb.com/...ce/att_graph.php?tmi=5054

It is still early in the season, they played a home game on Halloween night

If they keep winning, the arena will get more full
- Stripes77

The building at the end of last year was better than this year to start. Those numbers are a bit skewed in that until late Feb attendance was real bad last year.

And in one of our home games this year Blackhawk fans almost outnumbered us.

Average attendance last year: 9998
Average attendance this year so far: 12760

https://www.hockeydb.com/...ce/att_graph.php?tmi=5054

It is still early in the season, they played a home game on Halloween night

If they keep winning, the arena will get more full
- Stripes77

why did the other 2 teams draw well on halloween

over 16000 at canes/caps game monday night 87 percent full


https://www.espn.com/nhl/recap/_/gameId/401458734



over 17,000 at kings/blues game
95 percent full

https://www.espn.com/nhl/recap/_/gameId/401458735



9600 at sabres game

https://www.espn.com/nhl/recap/_/gameId/401458733

? You lost me here. What narrative am I pushing? We have a solid team. We have two hall of fame forwards playing us tonight. We have a few thousands Pens fans coming. We'll still be 8,000 short of a sell out. That not a narrative I'm pushing. Thems the facts.
- lacaprup

You're pushing the narrative that right now, at the start of the 2022-2023 season, that attendance is less than it should be and that is embarrassing to you. At what should the fans have started coming back? What is the level at which it would not be embarrassing to you? On opening night we doubled the average attendance from last year (not to mention it was an even bigger jump from the previous opening night).

As for the two hall of fame forwards, we've seen them play dozens of time here. This is also why getting Pat Kane won't result in any kind of giant jump in attendance by itself.

So you're pushing the narrative but you have no idea if it is accurate? Unlike most narratives (Mitts stinks, Asplund stinks, etc) this one is provably true or false.
- Slump Buster

why do you think the arena is half empty?


economy?

12 lousy seasons?

team is playing better and still can't get 60 percent of the seats filled on game night

You're pushing the narrative that right now, at the start of the 2022-2023 season, that attendance is less than it should be and that is embarrassing to you. At what should the fans have started coming back? What is the level at which it would not be embarrassing to you? On opening night we doubled the average attendance from last year (not to mention it was an even bigger jump from the previous opening night).

As for the two hall of fame forwards, we've seen them play dozens of time here. This is also why getting Pat Kane won't result in any kind of giant jump in attendance by itself.
- Slump Buster

15k is not embarrassing when Sid and Geno come. Tonight is going to remind me of last season against Edmonton when Connor McDavid was greeted with an empty building too.

why did the other 2 teams draw well on halloween

over 16000 at canes/caps game monday night 87 percent full


https://www.espn.com/nhl/recap/_/gameId/401458734



over 17,000 at kings/blues game
95 percent full

https://www.espn.com/nhl/recap/_/gameId/401458735



9600 at sabres game

https://www.espn.com/nhl/recap/_/gameId/401458733
- homiedclown

It was one freaking night. I turned down free tickets because I had kid duties.

This is also why getting Pat Kane won't result in any kind of giant jump in attendance by itself.
- Slump Buster

It was one freaking night. I turned down free tickets because I had kid duties.
- Slump Buster

they could not get 13 k in the stands on a hab game

why do you think the arena is half empty?


economy?

12 lousy seasons?

team is playing better and still can't get 60 percent of the seats filled on game night
- homiedclown

12 lousy seasons. And as per usual on this board, people take a very small sample size and create narratives out of them. The attendance will continue to rise as they continue to show growth and provide entertaining hockey.

they could not get 13 k in the stands on a hab game
- homiedclown

And that attendance is still 4kish greater than the average last year. Not sure what your point is. It isn't like Gretzky was in town with the Oilers. This is a bottom-feeding Habs team that we've seen play dozens of times over the years. It is a random weeknight in October.

12 lousy seasons. And as per usual on this board, people take a very small sample size and create narratives out of them. The attendance will continue to rise as they continue to show growth and provide entertaining hockey.
- Slump Buster

this is not a small sample size

5 games is 12 or 13 percent of their total gate revenue

after tonight it will be roughly 15 percent

The building at the end of last year was better than this year to start. Those numbers are a bit skewed in that until late Feb attendance was real bad last year.

And in one of our home games this year Blackhawk fans almost outnumbered us.
- lacaprup

RJ night and the season finale against the Blackhawks (Kane) were the only games over 13,000 people

Even the Vegas game wasn't that high

15k is not embarrassing when Sid and Geno come. Tonight is going to remind me of last season against Edmonton when Connor McDavid was greeted with an empty building too.
- lacaprup

Well, yes - our attendance was worst last year and (again) people aren't going to come just because a star or two is playing in the game.

And that attendance is still 4kish greater than the average last year. Not sure what your point is. It isn't like Gretzky was in town with the Oilers. This is a bottom-feeding Habs team that we've seen play dozens of times over the years. It is a random weeknight in October.
- Slump Buster

you had to have the jab last year though

which removes 25 percent of your audience

RJ night and the season finale against the Blackhawks (Kane) were the only games over 13,000 people

Even the Vegas game wasn't that high
- Stripes77

We need Patrick Kane on this team, Stripes. Patrick Kane = consistent sellouts