A 40 point scorer will be by nature an inconsistent scorer. Correct? There will be gaps in scoring. If there wasn't, he would be a higher scorer. This is a team that doesn't play with the puck much. Doesn't generate a lot of scoring chances. Frost at this point of his career, is not a player who can carry a line or a team for that matter. He has played 83 NHL games in his career. He is still a developing player. Many as you have pointed out have unreasonable expectations for the player. Those that are expecting him at this point in his career to stand out as a player in this team situation, are ignorant.
- MJL

That's right, multiple people on this forum, scouts and 3 head coaches are all ignorant. Apparently only you and Hexy see Frost differently! What a joke!

Bavarian cream or regular cream donut?

If he doesn’t turn a corner here I see a Jordan weal or Jared Ross comparison. Originally I was hoping for more of a briere type player.
- Peter Richards

That is a high expectation.

In my opinion, he's using McEwen to send a message. He needs to stop it and move on with the team.
- MJL

Really? Why? Why is it that Torts has to resort to playing a grunt like Mac 16+ minutes a game including key minutes in 3rd periods just to send a message to the rest of the team? What does that say about the players on this team? The bottom line is the makeup of this team is very, very poor. Cam Atkinson called it a country club last year. The same complaints from Tort's you hear now last year from Yeo and the previous years from AV. So you want Torts to ignore this and just move on to another lost season where no accountability is infused into the culture? Sorry, I say play Mac and ND on the top line and sit more players if you have to, I'd rather watch a team with players that try versus players that coast. And your guy Frosty is the first player I would sit, talk about coasters!

Frost sure does get lots of attention on here for a player that isn't very good. He just isn't. When Hayes and TK were benched the other night in the 3rd period against a bad team at the end of their road trip that was his chance to shine! Pretty much looked like an eclipse to me. How many chances does this kid need? It's still early, but as they say it's getting late fast. There is a super long laundry list of players that simply didn't have their skills translate to the NHL from the OHL/AHL.

I guess +/- is not a metric you care about?
- jd250

4 goals - 4 assists and a -4 on a horrible team -- I would still rather have ghost and the 5 picks than rr and td

4 goals - 4 assists and a -4 on a horrible team -- I would still rather have ghost and the 5 picks than rr and td
- corduroy

in hindsight sure. Ghost had to go as he was a malcontent. also not like he played well his last couple years here. The trade itself was fine to me as no one wanted him a 2nd was the cost to move his full salary.

Now the moves after that are what is comical. RR enough has been said; bad deal and bad re-sign. Tony D trade in itself was again fine. however he doesn't fit the timeline for where this team is at.

Really? Why? Why is it that Torts has to resort to playing a grunt like Mac 16+ minutes a game including key minutes in 3rd periods just to send a message to the rest of the team? What does that say about the players on this team? The bottom line is the makeup of this team is very, very poor. Cam Atkinson called it a country club last year. The same complaints from Tort's you hear now last year from Yeo and the previous years from AV. So you want Torts to ignore this and just move on to another lost season where no accountability is infused into the culture? Sorry, I say play Mac and ND on the top line and sit more players if you have to, I'd rather watch a team with players that try versus players that coast. And your guy Frosty is the first player I would sit, talk about coasters!
- jd250

I also think when you see Mac and ND "try" it is more tangible. They do not need to score or produce points to show they "tried". They just need to muck it up. If the Flyers get shutout it's because the point producers weren't "trying". Actually it's because the team isn't very good and they are going to get shutout pretty often regardless of effort level.

When you don't possess the puck and chase the play all night you will look slow and as if you are not trying.

Get better talent and the team will not look so lazy. It's really that simple.

in hindsight sure. Ghost had to go as he was a malcontent. also not like he played well his last couple years here. The trade itself was fine to me as no one wanted him a 2nd was the cost to move his full salary.

Now the moves after that are what is comical. RR enough has been said; bad deal and bad re-sign. Tony D trade in itself was again fine. however he doesn't fit the timeline for where this team is at.
- hello it's me 2050

Thing is I was against trading him from the get go -- av didn't like him and 20 games into the season av was sh!t-canned -- So we gave up 2 nds for az to take on salary, a 1st, a 2nd and Haag for rr and 3 more picks for td - who is a bit better than - chuckles states that the best way to get talent is through the draft - then trades drafts picks? stellar asset management by chuckles

Thing is I was against trading him from the get go -- av didn't like him and 20 games into the season av was sh!t-canned -- So we gave up 2 nds for az to take on salary, a 1st, a 2nd and Haag for rr and 3 more picks for td - who is a bit better than - chuckles states that the best way to get talent is through the draft - then trades drafts picks? stellar asset management by chuckles
- corduroy

A team in the Flyers current state has zero business trading any 1st, 2nd or 3rd round picks. Unless they are getting studs under 24 years old. I am sure as hell not trading that level of picks for what the Flyers received in return.

Ghost didn't want to play defense. He wanted to free lance. He can do that on a team such as Arizona that plays in a college hockey arena. Perfect for him, but if you noticed no playoff teams wanted him at the trade deadline last season and no one wanted him when he was on waivers. Good riddance!

Back to Frost. My biggest fear for this kid is that he ends up being a tweener. Meaning he isn't enough of a scorer to be in the top 6 group and not enough of a checker to be in the bottom 6 group. Uh oh! FIRE CHUCKLES!!

Ghost didn't want to play defense. He wanted to free lance. He can do that on a team such as Arizona that plays in a college hockey arena. Perfect for him, but if you noticed no playoff teams wanted him at the trade deadline last season and no one wanted him when he was on waivers. Good riddance!

Back to Frost. My biggest fear for this kid is that he ends up being a tweener. Meaning he isn't enough of a scorer to be in the top 6 group and not enough of a checker to be in the bottom 6 group. Uh oh! FIRE CHUCKLES!!
- Phillywhiteout

I agree with this assessment. I also do not believe he is a center in the NHL.

Thing is I was against trading him from the get go -- av didn't like him and 20 games into the season av was sh!t-canned -- So we gave up 2 nds for az to take on salary, a 1st, a 2nd and Haag for rr and 3 more picks for td - who is a bit better than - chuckles states that the best way to get talent is through the draft - then trades drafts picks? stellar asset management by chuckles
- corduroy

gave up a 2nd and 7th. What happened after imo is separate. Though what happened after was flat out stupid.

Ghost had issues with Haxstol as well. not just Av.

maybe it is just me draft picks outside the 1st rd are overrated. though this team shouldn't be trading them for the players they did.

Ghost didn't want to play defense. He wanted to free lance. He can do that on a team such as Arizona that plays in a college hockey arena. Perfect for him, but if you noticed no playoff teams wanted him at the trade deadline last season and no one wanted him when he was on waivers. Good riddance!

Back to Frost. My biggest fear for this kid is that he ends up being a tweener. Meaning he isn't enough of a scorer to be in the top 6 group and not enough of a checker to be in the bottom 6 group. Uh oh! FIRE CHUCKLES!!
- Phillywhiteout

very possible Frost could be, it also could be he finds his groove, gets the right linemates and he is a Briere light, probably his ceiling. While it is fair to say he needs to convert, he clearly has skill, he clearly had good jump in the 3rd last game. Two straight games breakaways, he is anticipating the game better than last season, he is more physically engaged than last season, will it translate to a full time NHL player? We will see this season. My sense is Torts is going to give him a good look, with better linemates, that hopefully will answer the question

very possible Frost could be, it also could be he finds his groove, gets the right linemates and he is a Briere light, probably his ceiling. While it is fair to say he needs to convert, he clearly has skill, he clearly had good jump in the 3rd last game. Two straight games breakaways, he is anticipating the game better than last season, he is more physically engaged than last season, will it translate to a full time NHL player? We will see this season. My sense is Torts is going to give him a good look, with better linemates, that hopefully will answer the question
- wcorvette

do not see that happening while in this organization.

Not sure what the coach is waiting for in terms if giving him better line mates. the plan imo from day 1 would have been to give the support then see if he sinks or swims.

in hindsight sure. Ghost had to go as he was a malcontent. also not like he played well his last couple years here. The trade itself was fine to me as no one wanted him a 2nd was the cost to move his full salary.
- hello it's me 2050

Fletcher's fleshlight is back again with another comically bad defense of a terrible trade. Zero hindsight was required to know that giving up a 2nd rounder (which ended up being 36th overall) to move Ghost was stupid. The real malcontent was AV, who had to be fired six weeks into last season.

Back to Frost. My biggest fear for this kid is that he ends up being a tweener. Meaning he isn't enough of a scorer to be in the top 6 group and not enough of a checker to be in the bottom 6 group. Uh oh! FIRE CHUCKLES!!
- Phillywhiteout

Meanwhile it's Noah Cates who has lost his center spot 6 games into the season because he couldn't hack it down the middle.

Love what Torts said about Risto, its finally time for Risto to get some real coaching and either respond or sit. Risto will be ready tomorrow night but it appears Torts is not ready to put him into the lineup from that I heard him say. Furthermore its clear Risto is going to have to learn to forego the big hit and play more structured. I'm interested in seeing how he responds, because it should be clear to the team Torts does not care who you are, if he is unhappy with your play you will sit. I think for the first time in Risto's career, he is going to have to grow as a player or not play.

gave up a 2nd and 7th. What happened after imo is separate. Though what happened after was flat out stupid.

Ghost had issues with Haxstol as well. not just Av.

maybe it is just me draft picks outside the 1st rd are overrated. though this team shouldn't be trading them for the players they did.
- hello it's me 2050

chuckles could not have traded for rr with ghost still on the roster -- he had to dump money to be able to fit rr under the cap -- so it really is all tied together

Ghost didn't want to play defense. He wanted to free lance. He can do that on a team such as Arizona that plays in a college hockey arena. Perfect for him, but if you noticed no playoff teams wanted him at the trade deadline last season and no one wanted him when he was on waivers. Good riddance!

Back to Frost. My biggest fear for this kid is that he ends up being a tweener. Meaning he isn't enough of a scorer to be in the top 6 group and not enough of a checker to be in the bottom 6 group. Uh oh! FIRE CHUCKLES!!
- Phillywhiteout

Frost absolutely is a tweener, and IMO will be an AHL player for the most part. He does not have size, so he is not physical. That is OK if he has the speed and can play the game as fast as a player like Johhny G, but Frost is no where close. Frost is not a finisher, we clearly see that. We also see Frost is not good on faceoffs. So you have a small player with average speed, good skill, who can't finish, doesn't hit, is poor on faceoffs and has a problem with consistency away from the puck. I mean, this is what he is .. I am not making this up.

Love what Torts said about Risto, its finally time for Risto to get some real coaching and either respond or sit. Risto will be ready tomorrow night but it appears Torts is not ready to put him into the lineup from that I heard him say. Furthermore its clear Risto is going to have to learn to forego the big hit and play more structured. I'm interested in seeing how he responds, because it should be clear to the team Torts does not care who you are, if he is unhappy with your play you will sit. I think for the first time in Risto's career, he is going to have to grow as a player or not play.
- jd250

You said the same thing at the time of the trade - wait till a real coaching staff (av) gets to coach rr -- you'll see what a great d-man he is

you are a straight up clown

4 goals - 4 assists and a -4 on a horrible team -- I would still rather have ghost and the 5 picks than rr and td
- corduroy

I agree that the Ghost trade was a panic move and done completely to placate AV. I also agree the RR trade turned out to be a bad one for the Flyers. But I like TD and so far I am glad the Flyers got him. I would rather have TD than Ghost if I had to choose.

You said the same thing at the time of the trade - wait till a real coaching staff (av) gets to coach rr -- you'll see what a great d-man he is

you are a straight up clown
- corduroy

The only clown in this forum is you! I did say that it will be interesting to see how RR performs with a real coach, but I never said he was great or would be great. As it turned out, RR never got the chance to be coached by AV, and Yeo was in over his head right from the start, so this is really the first time since he is a Flyer that Risto is going to have real demands made of him, and I am again interested in how he responds.

Love what Torts said about Risto, its finally time for Risto to get some real coaching and either respond or sit.
- jd250

When did he say that?

I also think when you see Mac and ND "try" it is more tangible. They do not need to score or produce points to show they "tried". They just need to muck it up. If the Flyers get shutout it's because the point producers weren't "trying". Actually it's because the team isn't very good and they are going to get shutout pretty often regardless of effort level.

When you don't possess the puck and chase the play all night you will look slow and as if you are not trying.

Get better talent and the team will not look so lazy. It's really that simple.
- mickel25

Yes I agree for sure with this statement. However I also trust the coaches that they can see which players are given an honest effort and which players are coasting or playing sloppy. Yes, the Flyers may be shut out and I am sure they will lose more games they they win this season, but the coaches want to see a team that does not quit, or take shifts off, or worse periods off. That has been the MO of this team over the past few seasons and this mindset has to be broken for this team to move forward.