no wonder this team looks better despite having a much worse roster
- 2Real

Maybe they just needed Atkinson and Ristolainen out of the lineup.

I see. That does make sense. I am more inclined to believe you now.

But, why do they wait so long into the game to make such announcements?

EDIT: You are right. Found this:

https://www.crossingbroad...what-they-used-to-be.html
- PT21

Seriously, I was just looking. No hypothesis, no absolutes. Good grief! Imagine the arrogance it takes to assume why someone looked, what they were trying to determine and how they had it all wrong and can’t possibly understand.

I made a throw away comment about how attendance nosedived and that was somehow too much.
- NC Flyers Fan

So, in your very first response to me, when you said:

"

Canadian? I’m not following your train of thought. I would look at non-playoff EC teams based in the US. Detroit is a comparable.
- NC Flyers Fan

You were "just looking?" and had "no hypothesis"?

- THE BLACK HAND

At the risk of further displaying my arrogance and jumping to conclusions though, I think many will now say that Flyers figures are actually not as revealing and attendance is much lower.

But the problem is, there must be a pretty strong correlation between attendance and tix sold if you don't count those complimentary tix. People are after all paying money to buy those tix.

You would need to rank/quantify the level of Covid restrictions for each venue. This itself would be somewhat onerous.

Then, you would need to subtract that effect out (as a function of quantification) from attendance. Like saying: Philly's Covid restrictions accounted for a 10% drop while Montreal's accounted for a 20% drop.

Of course such data is not available.

EDIT: I can offer some heuristics though. Places like Montreal, Detroit, etc have had very high figures in previous years when they have been very bad. But they plummeted last year. That (informally) suggests a strong causality.
- PT21

Bold-Obviously dude. Why do you talk like this?

Perhaps or perhaps it is not available in the public sphere.

Bold-Obviously dude. Why do you talk like this?

Perhaps or perhaps it is not available in the public sphere.
- NC Flyers Fan

Be careful. You may have made a grammar error or used a word improperly.

So, in your very first response to me, when you said:

"

You were "just looking?" and had "no hypothesis"?

- PT21

Yes, I was “just looking” to see IF the performance factor on attendance could be determined. I was looking at teams in the US that are the most similar in other aspects. This clearly bothers you. Why?

Bold-Obviously dude. Why do you talk like this?

Perhaps or perhaps it is not available in the public sphere.
- NC Flyers Fan

Because I suspect you do not understand the extent of the difficulty in quantifying something like that. Else, you would never, even rhetorically, ever muse out aloud whether they could be available in the public sphere.

As for my somewhat aggressive x-examination, it is probably my decades in seminars/workshops. Look beyond the manner and focus on substance.

Be careful. You may have made a grammar error or used a word improperly.

- MJL

Good me barely interestingly enough

Yes, I was “just looking” to see IF the performance factor on attendance could be determined. I was looking at teams in the US that are the most similar in other aspects. This clearly bothers you. Why?
- NC Flyers Fan

But that's a hypothesis: "The performance factor in attendance is determinable".

I see. That does make sense. I am more inclined to believe you now.

But, why do they wait so long into the game to make such announcements?

EDIT: You are right. Found this:

https://www.crossingbroad...what-they-used-to-be.html
- PT21

Good read. Does the Rage Room still exist?

So you think he was talking about a guy who played half the season, lost his brother & is still on the team & a guy who was basically the 7th defenseman just playing to break a record. Not the captain & guy who has led this organization through mediocrity for a decade long before hayes & yandle got here.

Genius! 🤡
- Fopa21

Yes, I very much do.

After watching an interview with Cam where he stated how close he and G became in a short period of time and that their wives became very friendly as well, I'm confident it wasn't G. There was also a very awkwardly long hug between Cam and G in the locker room after Gs 1000 game.

Because I suspect you do not understand the extent of the difficulty in quantifying something like that. Else, you would never, even rhetorically, ever muse out aloud whether they could be available in the public sphere.

As for my somewhat aggressive x-examination, it is probably my decades in seminars/workshops. Look beyond the manner and focus on substance.

- PT21

I am sure the difficulty can be overcome.

Bold- there is my real difficulty. What a challenge!!!!!

But that's a hypothesis: "The performance factor in attendance is determinable".


- PT21

Terrific!

Good read. Does the Rage Room still exist?
- Scoob

Ah. I dunno. I am pretty sure it does or will soon (there is a massive renovation going on in WFC and which will continue for a while, further proof that Comcast will not sell Flyers in the near future with Sixers likely fleeing).

Btw, it is technically called "the Disassembly Room"

The attendance/tix sold discussion is interesting. If tix are sold, then $ -> Comcast irrespective of whether people show or not. But spending on peripherals needs warm bodies. As such, without a breakup of Tix revenue versus Xfinity spending revenue from attendance, we don't really know the impact of buying a ticket but not showing up.

Terrific!
- NC Flyers Fan

From the very beginning, right when you posted your observation that Flyers attendance nosedived last year, I knew exactly this is what you were angling at: trying to correlate performance and tix sales.

And that is why I told you that Covid was a bigger correlate, and as proof, directed you to Canadian figures. That was my ver first post.

I don't understand why you became snippy/sensitive, as we have converged exactly to where we started the convo.

I am sure the difficulty can be overcome.

Bold- there is my real difficulty. What a challenge!!!!!
- NC Flyers Fan

It almost certainly can be through some statistical analysis, yes. But that would be the stuff of a journal article.

An easier way would be just to look at data from pre-covid years.

In the modern world, we pay way too much attention to manner.

Ah. I dunno. I am pretty sure it does or will soon (there is a massive renovation going on in WFC and which will continue for a while, further proof that Comcast will not sell Flyers in the near future with Sixers likely fleeing).

Btw, it is technically called "the Disassembly Room"

The attendance/tix sold discussion is interesting. If tix are sold, then $ -> Comcast irrespective of whether people show or not. But spending on peripherals needs warm bodies. As such, without a breakup of Tix revenue versus Xfinity spending revenue from attendance, we don't really know the impact of buying a ticket but not showing up.
- PT21

Bets on if that is available in the public sphere? Were you musing aloud?

Bets on if that is available in the public sphere? Were you musing aloud?
- NC Flyers Fan

That is obviously very easily determinable (unlike impact of ice performance after subtracting covid effect on tix sales), but I have no idea if it is available. I would like to know though. You have the figures?

Ah. I dunno. I am pretty sure it does or will soon (there is a massive renovation going on in WFC and which will continue for a while, further proof that Comcast will not sell Flyers in the near future with Sixers likely fleeing).

Btw, it is technically called "the Disassembly Room"

The attendance/tix sold discussion is interesting. If tix are sold, then $ -> Comcast irrespective of whether people show or not. But spending on peripherals needs warm bodies. As such, without a breakup of Tix revenue versus Xfinity spending revenue from attendance, we don't really know the impact of buying a ticket but not showing up.
- PT21

Yep. I think I'd find it very interesting to work on the inside of the organization to be able to look at stuff like this.

That is obviously very easily determinable (unlike impact of ice performance after subtracting covid effect on tix sales), but I have no idea if it is available. I would like to know though. You have the figures?
- PT21

Tomato Tomato

Like I would give them to you anyway.

Yep. I think I'd find it very interesting to work on the inside of the organization to be able to look at stuff like this.
- Scoob

I actually found some ballpark figures from 2019 for us:

https://www.gobankingrate...-how-much-money-lose-out/

This means that every warm body on average spends about 67% of price of tix on 'in-site' food/merchandise. I dunno about parking.

Tomato Tomato

Like I would give them to you anyway.
- NC Flyers Fan

I have a British friend who keeps pronouncing it as Tow-MuH-tow. Very annoying.

I am so very offended by the fact that you would even consider not giving your Tow-mah-tows to me.

https://twitter.com/billm...5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

Are sales that bad?

I actually found some ballpark figures from 2019 for us:

https://www.gobankingrate...-how-much-money-lose-out/

This means that every warm body on average spends about 67% of price of tix on 'in-site' food/merchandise. I dunno about parking.
- PT21

interesting - someone is picking up a lot of my slack lol