Giroux had a couple of MVP caliber season in 13-14 and 17-18, and if you look at the team around him, they had no chance of actually winning a Cup.
- Feanor

G has a legit gripe, wasted his best years playing for sub par teams

No shxt, always, lets give up on the guy who is best suited for todays game
- wcorvette

It’s not giving up on him in any way if you trade him.

You want to extend him in 3 years to a max term contract on the back side of his prime when he will be 28 with 10 years of Milage?

different variation of the old philly flu
- hello it's me 2050

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It’s not giving up on him in any way if you trade him.

You want to extend him in 3 years to a max term contract on the back side of his prime when he will be 28 with 10 years of Milage?
- furio16

Cross that bridge when they come to it.

Thank you sir, but 1 poster? I have never met a larger group of folks so generous with opinions and yet so skittish when it comes to putting it on the record, even with nothing at stake.

Here's my off the cuff prediction:

Standings: 8th from last (25th).
Hart sv % (0.914)
GM for 23-24: CF
Coach for 23-24: Torts
Season attendance percentage: 95%
- PT21

Okay, here's the rest for me:

Hart: 0.910
CF not GM next season
JT will be coach next season

Tickets sold will probably be that high - actual butts in seats my guess will be about 70% for the season

- THE BLACK HAND

I love making you happy :-)

Cross that bridge when they come to it.
- Tomahawk

Point was they are not giving him away if he is traded is all.

You do not seem to comprehend that a player owes a team nothing when it comes to waiving a NMC/NTC. The player has rights that have been collectively bargained. He did not do anything wrong - stop blaming him
- corduroy

technically you are right, Giroux did nothing outside of what was collectively bargained. But what did he do for the Flyers? Its quite obvious now Giroux didn't care about playing for the Panthers, he all along wanted to play for his home town Senators if he was not staying in Philly. So what did it matter if for a couple of months Giroux played for the Panthers, or the Lightning, or the Avalanche or even the Wild? Would it have in any way hurt Giroux to allow Fletcher to negotiate with 3 or 4 contending teams so the Flyers could get the best return possible? I will always blame Giroux for this!

Frost doesn't play on the PK so that is a big part of it. What might happen to Cates ice time when Couturier and Atkinson come back? How about game situations? Does that come into play?
- MJL

You mean if they come back. I don't see either player digging into Cates' ice time, because if anything they both will be dialed back so to lower the chance of reinjury.

technically you are right, Giroux did nothing outside of what was collectively bargained. But what did he do for the Flyers? Its quite obvious now Giroux didn't care about playing for the Panthers, he all along wanted to play for his home town Senators if he was not staying in Philly. So what did it matter if for a couple of months Giroux played for the Panthers, or the Lightning, or the Avalanche or even the Wild? Would it have in any way hurt Giroux to allow Fletcher to negotiate with 3 or 4 contending teams so the Flyers could get the best return possible? I will always blame Giroux for this!
- jd250

Players owe the team they play for NOTHING! Why is this hard for you to understand?

technically you are right, Giroux did nothing outside of what was collectively bargained. But what did he do for the Flyers? Its quite obvious now Giroux didn't care about playing for the Panthers, he all along wanted to play for his home town Senators if he was not staying in Philly. So what did it matter if for a couple of months Giroux played for the Panthers, or the Lightning, or the Avalanche or even the Wild? Would it have in any way hurt Giroux to allow Fletcher to negotiate with 3 or 4 contending teams so the Flyers could get the best return possible? I will always blame Giroux for this!
- jd250

imho the blame for him leaving falls on those who created the team around him

technically you are right, Giroux did nothing outside of what was collectively bargained. But what did he do for the Flyers? Its quite obvious now Giroux didn't care about playing for the Panthers, he all along wanted to play for his home town Senators if he was not staying in Philly. So what did it matter if for a couple of months Giroux played for the Panthers, or the Lightning, or the Avalanche or even the Wild? Would it have in any way hurt Giroux to allow Fletcher to negotiate with 3 or 4 contending teams so the Flyers could get the best return possible? I will always blame Giroux for this!
- jd250

I'm more amazed every day. Why this has to be explained, I'm not sure. I mean you claim to have played and watched a lot of hockey. At last year's trade deadline, Giroux was not picking the team that he wanted to re-sign with. He was picking the team that he felt was the best fit for him for the rest of the season. Where he felt he had a chance to make a cup run. He knew, so did everyone else with the exception of you, that the Panthers were not going to be able to re-sign him.
Giroux earned the right and had a contract with a NMC. He had a right to pick where he wanted to go.

How many teams was he on here that were capable of winning? Or is that Giroux's fault?. It was only during Hextall's time that they didn't ice a top team? Who can honestly criticize his exit?

I would normally say I'm shocked by statements you made but in this case. Not really
- MJL

After the 2011 season the Flyers were clearly winding down from their 2010 cup team, especially with the injury to Pronger. So the 2012-2014 teams were less than stellar. But after that, Hextall clearly didn't build a team around Giroux, and don't forget he fired an eventual Stanley Cup winning coach and replaced him with a college coach!

You mean if they come back. I don't see either player digging into Cates' ice time, because if anything they both will be dialed back so to lower the chance of reinjury.
- jd250

So you believe that when Couturier and Atkinson come back. Cates remains a 20 minute a game forward? I like Cates a lot but if he's a 20 minute forward for this team. The Flyers are in trouble.

AH Bill, I am surprised to see you make such a bad analytical mistake. What you say is consistent with common sense and empirical evidence, but a legendary poster couple of weeks back made an acute insight which disproves you.

Let me see if I can find it.
- PT21

Too busy to search but 2 odd weeks ago I had predicted what sort of system JT would run, and had mentioned that a winger would be forechecker 1 aka F1 (and indeed often would be the only forechecker).

Thankfully, I was corrected, and I was told that unless the team is playing a left wing lock/center lock, who goes in on the first forecheck, whether it is winger or center, "is interchangeable". Pretty sure those were the exact words used.

So, Bill, there you have it. We are both wrong. I mean, whatcha gonna do?

technically you are right, Giroux did nothing outside of what was collectively bargained. But what did he do for the Flyers? Its quite obvious now Giroux didn't care about playing for the Panthers, he all along wanted to play for his home town Senators if he was not staying in Philly. So what did it matter if for a couple of months Giroux played for the Panthers, or the Lightning, or the Avalanche or even the Wild? Would it have in any way hurt Giroux to allow Fletcher to negotiate with 3 or 4 contending teams so the Flyers could get the best return possible? I will always blame Giroux for this!
- jd250

I was sitting in the car with my seven year old when the podcast I was listening to brought up the Giroux trade. I explained what was happening to my son. Giroux was the only Flyers captain as far as he knew. I explained in depth about the No Movement Clause’s effect on the trade. He was like, “Wow, I want one of those.” I told him those are for the best of the best. Giroux was that for the Flyers. It was earned; therefore, I don’t blame him.

So you believe that when Couturier and Atkinson come back. Cates remains a 20 minute a game forward? I like Cates a lot but if he's a 20 minute forward for this team. The Flyers are in trouble.
- MJL

Given their injuries, I don't expect Couturier or Atkinson to play on the PK, therefore I expect their ice time to be around 17 minutes a game. I therefore believe that Cates will keep doing what he is doing 5 on 5 and on the PK, with probably less time on the PP, so it may not be 20 minutes per game, but probably around 18 minutes per game.

After the 2011 season the Flyers were clearly winding down from their 2010 cup team, especially with the injury to Pronger. So the 2012-2014 teams were less than stellar. But after that, Hextall clearly didn't build a team around Giroux, and don't forget he fired an eventual Stanley Cup winning coach and replaced him with a college coach!
- jd250

LOL. Teams that Giroux played on that were not good enough to legitimately compete for a cup were under 3 different GM's. Holmgren, Hextall and Fletcher.

Okay, here's the rest for me:

Hart: 0.910
CF not GM next season
JT will be coach next season

Tickets sold will probably be that high - actual butts in seats my guess will be about 70% for the season
- Scoob

Bookmarked!

Afaik though, attendance figures are official butts on seats, not tix sold. If it had been the latter, we could have had official figures about that made available right at the start of game. But they wait until everyone has come in and then some more time to announce it.

Given their injuries, I don't expect Couturier or Atkinson to play on the PK, therefore I expect their ice time to be around 17 minutes a game. I therefore believe that Cates will keep doing what he is doing 5 on 5 and on the PK, with probably less time on the PP.
- jd250

There is no doubt that when and if Couturier and Atkinson come back ready to play. They will both be on the PK. Maybe not immediately but at some point.

LOL. Teams that Giroux played on that were not good enough to legitimately compete for a cup were under 3 different GM's. Holmgren, Hextall and Fletcher.
- MJL

Under Fletcher in 2019-2020 the Flyers were 1 win away from the final 4, don't forget.

I'm glad the fanbase is starting to appreciate TK again.

Whenever I see other team's fans discussing possible trade scenarios w/ the Flyers, it was always TK that they wanted. One of our few guys with skill and a fair cap hit.
- Tomahawk

Travis Konency was easily a top 3 player I would have traded.

Point was they are not giving him away if he is traded is all.
- furio16

Chuck Fletcher: challenge accepted

Chuck Fletcher: challenge accepted
- Tomahawk

Bookmarked!

Afaik though, attendance figures are official butts on seats, not tix sold. If it had been the latter, we could have had official figures about that made available right at the start of game. But they wait until everyone has come in and then some more time to announce it.
- PT21

Did you say last season’s attendance was 83%?