To be fair, in context, I don’t think he meant York has to do that all the time. Rather I think Torts meant York can do this at will in situations that momentum has shifted and the team needs a boost. A real in-game difference maker.

I don’t think I can answer the rest. I am not sure of York’s ceiling.
- NC Flyers Fan

I think we need to know what York’s ceiling is before expecting him to lead any rushes.

Im disgusted that we are of the same species
- THE BLACK HAND

As long as a loser such as yourself is disgusted I'm happy! Thanks! You made my night! Now do you want me to buy you that purse to replace the stolen one?

Backstrom, Oshie, Carlson
- MJL

Yeah and don’t forget Nisky. Only two teammates scored more than 20 during the regular season and only Ovi and Kuz scored more than 10 in the playoffs. The Avs had a team for the ages and the caps didn’t.

Yeah and don’t forget Nisky. Only two teammates scored more than 20 during the regular season and only Ovi and Kuz scored more than 10 in the playoffs. The Avs had a team for the ages and the caps didn’t.
- Minnyhock

I understand and don't disagree with your point concerning Ovechkin. I'm just saying it wasn't just Ovechkin and a bunch of scrubs.

The whole “accountability” and “play the right way” thing is great but, and I can’t stress this enough, at some point you need to put pucks in the net. You need skill, talent and all that stuff they rarely talk about.

If any of the beats had a pair, they should be asking Chuck Fletcher questions like:
Who on this team is the opposition worrying about and game planning for?

With a lineup featuring quite a few players who’ve never had any sustained success at the NHL levels, why should we expect this team to come even remotely close to a playoff spot?

Knowing that Carter Hart has dealt with various injuries the last 2 seasons, why did you not acquire a proven NHL goalie to pair with him? And if cap space is the issue, then why did you spend 1.75 million on a 4th line player?
- BiggE

No way that anyone can deny that they need more skill especially upfront. They said they need top end talent usually obtained in the draft. This makes it all the more irritating when they trade top picks instead of stocking up the get the best picks possible.

However, it is also worth some thinking that they have only 2 forwards developed into regular lineup players as of last season on the team (TK and Farabee) from the last 8 drafts. During that time, their forward prospects were widely regarded as one of the deepest groups with the most middle and bottom-six NHL viable prospects. Yet here we are…year after year signing vets for those roles and simultaneously having crappy finishes from the farm team. What gives?

It is high time that we all find out exactly who all we have to work with moving forward. Even if this means no playoffs. Without Coots, it is a given to miss. There are other positives to be found.

I understand and don't disagree with your point concerning Ovechkin. I'm just saying it wasn't just Ovechkin and a bunch of scrubs.
- MJL

I didn’t say they were scrubs. Backy is a great passer, Oshie is a team guy and I would call Carlson elite that year but he is not close to Makar. The Caps didn’t have anyone like Rantanen, Landeskog, Kadri or Toews.

You make it sound like he had a spot with his name on it guaranteed. Not that he is a rookie who has yet to make the NHL team out of camp.

The same standard is everyone giving all with a team first mindset. Some are obviously capable of more than others. It will take more time to see it (same standard) for vets as most did not play much in preseason. I believe you will see accountability.
- NC Flyers Fan

I don’t know about that. Hayes was very meh in the preseason. In the two games I watched.
As a vet who is supposed to set an example I would think he would be open to more criticism than any rookies.

I agree. It's puzzling. I didn't see him play but by some reports he has struggled some. He played 30 games last season and didn't look like he couldn't play in the NHL. So what changed? What had got him mentally confused or lacking confidence now? A player has to earn a spot but they need to figure out the cause of this and if it is external, they need to fix it.
- MJL

From what I got out of the write up is Torts wanted him to be more aggressive skating with the puck.
Being the guy who takes control on said shift and makes something happen.
That could be a quick simple pass to clear the zone, take the puck and skate up ice fir example.
York didn’t have a good game last night.
The biggest issue I have with this is I don’t know how much I trust the flyers to properly develop York.

I didn’t say they were scrubs. Backy is a great passer, Oshie is a team guy and I would call Carlson elite that year but he is not close to Makar. The Caps didn’t have anyone like Rantanen, Landeskog, Kadri or Toews.
- Minnyhock

Scrubs was hyperbole on my part. I get your point.

From what I got out of the write up is Torts wanted him to be more aggressive skating with the puck.
Being the guy who takes control on said shift and makes something happen.
That could be a quick simple pass to clear the zone, take the puck and skate up ice fir example.
York didn’t have a good game last night.
The biggest issue I have with this is I don’t know how much I trust the flyers to properly develop York.
- bird_dog_pa

Yes but Lappy's comments were contradictory on what they wanted from York. I agree on the last comment.

I don’t know about that. Hayes was very meh in the preseason. In the two games I watched.
As a vet who is supposed to set an example I would think he would be open to more criticism than any rookies.
- bird_dog_pa

3 games played, 1 g, 1 a, 2 pts. Yes, he was horrible in the second Boston games, so was most of the team. Vets are given more leeway because it is preseason. However, if you expect him to suddenly become more than a point per game player, I would say your expectations are off. By all accounts, he looked good in practice and in shape for the skate test and such. Let’s get the regular season going before hearing complaints about lack of accountability. I really believe Torts will be true on that front.

Yes but Lappy's comments were contradictory on what they wanted from York. I agree on the last comment.
- MJL

The coach has said he doesn’t care what type of system Ian runs. So contradictory comments are not shocking in any way. The 2 coaches are not on the same page. Great GM the Flyers employ.

Lol just hopped on and saw 24 pages/500+ comments and figured MJL had to be back. Welcome back! Can't wait for the breakdowns of all of Risto's bad plays. That said, I'm not happy about York being sent down despite a bad camp. York should be playing. I actually like Seeler, but not as top 6.

The coach has said he doesn’t care what type of system Ian runs. So contradictory comments are not shocking in any way. The 2 coaches are not on the same page. Great GM the Flyers employ.
- furio16

Yes, dysfunction running rampant. Chuckles in Charge is pure comedy. I'd rather have Scott Baio as GM.

Lol just hopped on and saw 24 pages/500+ comments and figured MJL had to be back. Welcome back! Can't wait for the breakdowns of all of Risto's bad plays. That said, I'm not happy about York being sent down despite a bad camp. York should be playing. I actually like Seeler, but not as top 6.
- Don Nachbaur

You should read more. The Flyers current coaches are the miracle workers who are going to coach him up.

Yes, dysfunction running rampant. Chuckles in Charge is pure comedy. I'd rather have Scott Baio as GM.
- Don Nachbaur

I'd go with Joanie

You should read more. The Flyers current coaches are the miracle workers who are going to coach him up.
- MJL

Lol there's no way I can keep up with the posts, although I can miss a few days and still assume what will be said. I have next Thursday circled on my calendar!

I'd go with Joanie
- MJL

Lol if she were alive, then yes, I'd take her over Chuckles.

I’m not gonna back read too far but gonna throw my 2 cents in. Anyone taking Big Mac over Ov is mjlcrazy Ov is possibly top 5 all time player.

I’m not gonna back read too far but gonna throw my 2 cents in. Anyone taking Big Mac over Ov is mjlcrazy Ov is possibly top 5 all time player.
- SMS4016

Wow. You really don’t see how obsessive and sad you are?

I’m not gonna back read too far but gonna throw my 2 cents in. Anyone taking Big Mac over Ov is mjlcrazy Ov is possibly top 5 all time player.
- SMS4016

When all is said and done, Mac will be considered one of the best players of his generation. His last five seasons have been straight up dominant. He's a much stronger defensive player than OV. Plus, he's a centerman. And the intangibles... he elevates his teammates on and off the ice.

And Crosby isn't even top-5 of all time, so how is OV?

Wow. You really don’t see how obsessive and sad you are?
- SuperSchennBros

There's a lot of dudes obsessed with other dudes on this board. Some of it is even mutual. Adults just don't know how to behave anymore.

When all is said and done, Mac will be considered one of the best players of his generation. His last five seasons have been straight up dominant. He's a much stronger defensive player than OV. Plus, he's a centerman. And the intangibles... he elevates his teammates on and off the ice.

And Crosby isn't even top-5 of all time, so how is OV?
- Tomahawk

Ovechkin isn't top 5 all time? Barring injury, he's going to pass Howe all time in goals this season. Becoming only the 3rd player in NHL history to score over 800 goals. If he stays healthy and plays long enough, he could pass Gretzky. He just scored 50 goals at 36. In 3 years time, we could be looking at the all time NHL goal scorer.

Ovechkin isn't top 5 all time? Barring injury, he's going to pass Howe all time in goals this season. Becoming only the 3rd player in NHL history to score over 800 goals. If he stays healthy and plays long enough, he could pass Gretzky. He just scored 50 goals at 36. In 3 years time, we could be looking at the all time NHL goal scorer.
- MJL

Wayne, Mario, Orr and Howe are pretty much undisputed at the top. And OV has never been considered better than Sid in his career... so who gets booted to make room for OV? (Assuming Sid is #5 here, which I personally don't think he is)

It's even debatable whether or not he was the greatest goal scorer. Bossy and Mario have a much higher career goals/g than OV, but they just didn't manage the same longevity.

Wayne, Mario, Orr and Howe are pretty much undisputed at the top. And OV has never been considered better than Sid in his career... so who gets booted to make room for OV? (Assuming Sid is #5 here, which I personally don't think he is)

It's even debatable whether or not he was the greatest goal scorer. Bossy and Mario have a much higher career goals/g than OV, but they just didn't manage the same longevity.
- Tomahawk

Isn't being able to score goals at a high level, including 50 at age 36 over a long period of time part of being a great goal scorer? Should Ovechkin's longevity be held against him? Longevity was huge part for Howe but not for Ovechkin?