I think its more they'd rather have camp play out incase there are more injuries. The longer they dont have to trade someone the better.
- Santo_44

Holl will only get traded for another Holl imo.

Teams who consider themselves cup contenders do not rely on essentially two rookies on the back end…. Especially with question marks around their goalies this year.

If they get rid of their only veteran right handed D to play a guy who is essentially a rookie they don’t deserve to win a cup.

Liljegren got pulled from last years post season for a reason, like it or not Holl is still better defensively than him.
- Dozzer

Brodie is a much better D against top comp than Holl is.

And I don't agree with that statement at all. It is October 4th. Perfectly fine to have stop gaps especially considering the flat cap.

The Wild makes sense.

They like their homegrown players too.

They have 5.7M in cap space.
- Santo_44

Fingers crossed. Can't see him nixing a trade there, either.

Holl will only get traded for another Holl imo.

Teams who consider themselves cup contenders do not rely on essentially two rookies on the back end…. Especially with question marks around their goalies this year.
- Dozzer

The fans sure.

The fans don't run the team, Dubas does.

He’s not tho. He’s capable but he’s not the guy on their shutdown pairing… they tried it last year and I truly believe they want a rightie on that 2nd pairing again or Holl would have been moved to make room by now.
- Dozzer

Muzzin and Brodie were the playoff shutdown pair ...and they were good ...maybe really good.

Don't forget the Giraffe, nerd!
- The Law

I stand corrected.

He's in 2nd NHL season.

Give him time.

And picking Boldy wasn't a bad choice. But it was the wrong choice.
- Scabeh

Slim chance Caufield ever scores at a better GPG than Matthews.

Straight out goals maybe, if there are injuries.

Or when they are 38 and Caufields youth like aging process keeps him athletic longer

Muzzin and Brodie were the playoff shutdown pair ...and they were good ...maybe really good.
- The Law

Fingers crossed. Can't see him nixing a trade there, either.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Addison has earned a spot though...A crowded top 8.

Brodie is a much better D against top comp than Holl is.

And I don't agree with that statement at all. It is October 4th. Perfectly fine to have stop gaps especially considering the flat cap.
- Santo_44

If you think the leafs make any notable moves without an injury forcing them to anytime soon I’m sorry but I’m 99% sure you’re incorrect.

It’s come down to this. Who will they put on waivers and who will they roll with.

And not one of Holl, Kerfoot, or Engvall are going anywhere anytime soon is my bet.

Before we see a notable change it will be damn near the deadline is my guess.

How 'bout them Blue Jays?
- GreatGigInTheSky

Jays talk is better than the minutae of the Leafs' depth players and cap wiggle room. 6 months of takes about Holl, Kerfoot and Chychrun, sick

Muzzin and Brodie were the playoff shutdown pair ...and they were good ...maybe really good.
- The Law

Except they failed and lost in the first round.

Their shutdown pairing wasn’t good enough.

If you think the leafs make any notable moves without an injury forcing them to anytime soon I’m sorry but I’m 99% sure you’re incorrect.

It’s come down to this. Who will they put on waivers and who will they roll with.

And not one of Holl, Kerfoot, or Engvall are going anywhere anytime soon is my bet.

Before we see a notable change it will be damn near the deadline is my guess.
- Dozzer

I've done the math and I trust it. Once ZAR signs it'll be the end of one of those guys career here.

Slim chance Caufield ever scores at a better GPG than Matthews.

Straight out goals maybe, if there are injuries.

Or when they are 38 and Caufields youth like aging process keeps him athletic longer
- Santo_44

Well Matthews is the best current goal scorer in the league.

I don't mind settling with Caufield ending up being a close 2nd.

I stand corrected.
- Zezel

It's great to hear you've been going to your chiropractor.

The fans sure.

The fans don't run the team, Dubas does.
- Santo_44

With that argument it’s safe to say Holl isn’t going anywhere then.

Except they failed and lost in the first round.

Their shutdown pairing wasn’t good enough.
- Dozzer

If it was Muzzin-Holl they would have won?

With that argument it’s safe to say Holl isn’t going anywhere then.
- Dozzer

Depends if he likes Engvall or Holl more.

Well Matthews is the best current goal scorer in the league.

I don't mind settling with Caufield ending up being a close 2nd.

- Scabeh

Someone has to take over Ovi's spot eventually...Tough competition with Dri.

Jays talk is better than the minutae of the Leafs' depth players and cap wiggle room. 6 months of takes about Holl, Kerfoot and Chychrun, sick
- Zezel

At the risk of being banned, I do find it funny that this site generates hours upon hours of us armchair GMs figuring out trades for our 7th defenceman.

Just watch the game, nerds. Dubas ain't reading this.

Someone has to take over Ovi's spot eventually...Tough competition with Dri.
- Santo_44

I knew I'd get you on board somehow.

I knew I'd get you on board somehow.

- Scabeh

Shane Wright could be up there...

I'm basically getting it cut twice a year now. It gets long enough to put it into a manly wolf tail (not a ponytail ) and then I get it cut shortish.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Like a zero setting on the trimmer????

well that's what I do

If it was Muzzin-Holl they would have won?
- Santo_44

Except in game 7 when Muzzin and Brodie were the D on the ice for TB’s 2nd goal

Hell even Holl was plus 1 in that game (the only player on the team who was + that game btw)

I still blame Matthews, Marner, JT, and Nylander for losing the game but it also proved the Muzzin-Brodie pairing was far from perfect.

Depends if he likes Engvall or Holl more.
- Santo_44

Or he doesn’t like the guys you do nearly as much.