Nobody’s mentioned that Horvat is looking for a deal in the Sean Couterier range ($7.7m)… according to RW via Friedman.
- 1970vintage

Probably why he's not signed.

Horvat's numbers are much lower for the last 5 years minus his injury riddled year last year. And his Career high of 61 points is way lower then the 2 years Couturier put up 76. His plus/minus is also way better in that time frame. I know flawed stat....

Glad they signed JTM for 8 cause Horvat is not worth 7.7 comparably. Trade him if his ask doesn't go down.
- SMP8719

I’m just reporting the news. I don’t think either player is worth what they signed for/are looking for…

I’m just reporting the news. I don’t think either player is worth what they signed for/are looking for…
- 1970vintage

I could care less what they sign for.

I don't understand this move....maybe if we were 4-0 but were 0-4 and being outplayed. Unless this is a message to the vets?
- canucksfan1944

You don't understand pre-season???

The premise is simple. Find out who deserves to make the team, wins are insignificant.

Hopefully this helps

Horvat's numbers are much lower for the last 5 years minus his injury riddled year last year. And his Career high of 61 points is way lower then the 2 years Couturier put up 76. His plus/minus is also way better in that time frame. I know flawed stat....

Glad they signed JTM for 8 cause Horvat is not worth 7.7 comparably. Trade him if his ask doesn't go down.
- SMP8719

Yup trade your captain willy nilly - it's almost too easy.

I’m just reporting the news. I don’t think either player is worth what they signed for/are looking for…
- 1970vintage

yeah I understood you were just reporting

Yup trade your captain willy nilly - it's almost too easy.
- Brooks_Light

Come on now willy nilly... this has been coming for sometime... they chose to sign JTM so the thought they may have to trade Horvat has to have occured. There are other options if they can move Garland or Boeser etc. or the Cap goes up enough....

Would you pay Horvat as much or close as Miller? IF so, then are you thinking we should trading Pettersson when we can no no longer afford him?

I don't think Horvat is worth over 7 as I have stated before but If Pettersson wants 10+ I may rather have Horvat at 7. Guess we will see how this year goes.

Come on now willy nilly... this has been coming for sometime... they chose to sign JTM so the thought they may have to trade Horvat has to have occured. There are other options if they can move Garland or Boeser etc. or the Cap goes up enough....

Would you pay Horvat as much or close as Miller? IF so, then are you thinking we should trading Pettersson when we can no no longer afford him?

I don't think Horvat is worth over 7 as I have stated before but If Pettersson wants 10+ I may rather have Horvat at 7. Guess we will see how this year goes.
- SMP8719

Allvin has said multiple times they're not going to let players walk for nothing. If Bo isn't signed by the TDL, I think they'll shop him

Come on now willy nilly... this has been coming for sometime... they chose to sign JTM so the thought they may have to trade Horvat has to have occured. There are other options if they can move Garland or Boeser etc. or the Cap goes up enough....

Would you pay Horvat as much or close as Miller? IF so, then are you thinking we should trading Pettersson when we can no no longer afford him?

I don't think Horvat is worth over 7 as I have stated before but If Pettersson wants 10+ I may rather have Horvat at 7. Guess we will see how this year goes.
- SMP8719

The Cap will go up enough to sign EP40. As for Horvat he shouldn’t get more then Kadri even though he’s younger.

yeah I understood you were just reporting

- SMP8719

Still think he goes 7 x $7, only because that’s where the market is going.

- 1970vintage

Joe Levi on waivers

Joe Levi on waivers
- 1970vintage

Have we officially won that trade?

OJ on waivers (again)
Juho playing overseas.

But Noah Juulsen?
Still in the ahl and under contract.

Have we officially won that trade?

OJ on waivers (again)
Juho playing overseas.

But Noah Juulsen?
Still in the ahl and under contract.



- dbot

I’d say we won it if they put in a claim and he plays here this year

I’d say we won it if they put in a claim and he plays here this year
- 1970vintage

can someone do a trade tree breakdown?

More cuts:

Vincent Arseneau
Marc Gatcomb
Chase Wouters
Matt Alfaro
Michael Regush
Jett Woo
Alex Kannok-Leipert
Quinn Schmiemann
Carson Focht

You don't understand pre-season???

The premise is simple. Find out who deserves to make the team, wins are insignificant.

Hopefully this helps
- Brooks_Light

Problem with your dismissal is there are so few players that need that kind of evaluation.... so the team should overwhelmingly be the starting roster.

Are they trying to decide if Aman or Stevens are going to play C for the Canucks soon? Not bloody likely to happen.

How many of these D realistically are going to make the team? Wolanin-Burroughs
DeKeyser-Juulsen Brisebois-Keeper? 1 or 2 at the most as 6/7. Wouldnt you want to see how they play beside a regular instead of another AHL player? This is not Abby's camp.

As far as seeing who should be a call up.... call up who ever is playing best at the time.... not who played best in preseason. Performance changes quickly and this team needs it's regulars ready to go. We've seen Green drop the ball with too much attention going to players who will not likely ever be a part of this roster. They need to focus... and Bruce was talking this at the beginning of camp... but out the window that all went.

Still think he goes 7 x $7, only because that’s where the market is going.
- 1970vintage

Is that the going rate for a 62 point player on his best year, that is good at Faceoffs?Also one that needs a playmaker as he scores more than he assists on? I haven't seen the fancy stats.... but I when I see a player with more goals then assists I see them as someone not making their linemates better. I have heard it said that he constantly gets weaker linemates..... maybe that is the case for this?

Allvin has said multiple times they're not going to let players walk for nothing. If Bo isn't signed by the TDL, I think they'll shop him
- NewYorkNuck

I hope so... Asset management has always been a team weak spot. If they are fighting for the playoffs at the TDL do you think they still would?

I hope so... Asset management has always been a team weak spot. If they are fighting for the playoffs at the TDL do you think they still would?
- SMP8719

No

Is that the going rate for a 62 point player on his best year, that is good at Faceoffs?Also one that needs a playmaker as he scores more than he assists on? I haven't seen the fancy stats.... but I when I see a player with more goals then assists I see them as someone not making their linemates better. I have heard it said that he constantly gets weaker linemates..... maybe that is the case for this?
- SMP8719

I dunno, that’s just my guess. Cap is *allegedly* going up $10m in three years, so a $5.85m player next season is worth $6.58 two seasons after that. He’s the captain, he’s an actual 30 goal scorer, he plays C and he had that one play where he split the D and scored against Jordan Binnington. I just think that team and agent will settle at 7 x $7, or if they go longer maybe it’s 8 x $6.125. Basically $50m give or take.

Problem with your dismissal is there are so few players that need that kind of evaluation.... so the team should overwhelmingly be the starting roster.

Are they trying to decide if Aman or Stevens are going to play C for the Canucks soon? Not bloody likely to happen.

How many of these D realistically are going to make the team? Wolanin-Burroughs
DeKeyser-Juulsen Brisebois-Keeper? 1 or 2 at the most as 6/7. Wouldnt you want to see how they play beside a regular instead of another AHL player? This is not Abby's camp.

As far as seeing who should be a call up.... call up who ever is playing best at the time.... not who played best in preseason. Performance changes quickly and this team needs it's regulars ready to go. We've seen Green drop the ball with too much attention going to players who will not likely ever be a part of this roster. They need to focus... and Bruce was talking this at the beginning of camp... but out the window that all went.
- boonerbuck

Its not so Much a dismissal, as an over simplification. They're trying to figure out who the 12,13 forwards are and the 7,8 Ds.

Are there too many scrubs in the lineup tonight? YUP....but the outcome doesn't matter. We'll see the real lineup on Wednesday. And then Friday is when it counts.

Don't worry about it.

Come on now willy nilly... this has been coming for sometime... they chose to sign JTM so the thought they may have to trade Horvat has to have occured. There are other options if they can move Garland or Boeser etc. or the Cap goes up enough....

Would you pay Horvat as much or close as Miller? IF so, then are you thinking we should trading Pettersson when we can no no longer afford him?

I don't think Horvat is worth over 7 as I have stated before but If Pettersson wants 10+ I may rather have Horvat at 7. Guess we will see how this year goes.
- SMP8719

That's how you're making it sound. Ask yourself how many under 30 captains have been let go/traded in the past X #of years? I think there's zero chance of him going anywhere but Lets circle back to that guess next year.

On a more serious note, is Horvat worth 7$? All day. I'd like it to be more in the Bergeron type of 6.8X8. But He does a lot of really important things, really well. Plus, when/if the cap goes up, he'll be on another steal of a contract.

I actually think he has another gear.

can someone do a trade tree breakdown?
- dbot

Why?