You can't go a day without hating on him and calling him useless.

It's obsessive.

Even if you were right, the leafs aren't adding any player for that price or cheaper that is going to give them enough value to move the needle and get more wins.
- Santo_44

SPOILER ALERT

I am. Again.

I sincerely doubt Kerfoot agrees to move to Arizona (I'm assuming it's one of the 10 teams on his M-NTC).

He needs to put up points this year to earn his next contract. He's not going to do that in Arizona.
- Atomic Wedgie

I think the opposite

He likely gets 1C time next to Keller and Schmaltz and PP1.

He would be their biggest rental chip and they would want to set him up to put up points.

SPOILER ALERT

I am. Again.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Yeah I disagree.

I think the opposite

He likely gets 1C time next to Keller and Schmaltz and PP1.

He would be their biggest rental chip and they would want to set him up to put up points.
- Santo_44

They don't want to put up points.

They are in full tank mode.

Sarevalli says OTT trying hard for Chychrun

Chychrun makes some sense for the Leafs...but not really until next year. Doesn't make much sense to give up so much capital right now when there are too many question marks for 2LW.
- Santo_44

I think Chychrun makes a lot of sense for the Leafs. But I just dont see players with salary that need to be moved in the trade and who need to agree to a trade, actually agreeing to be traded to Arizona. Could be wrong.
Also, I think other teams could put together a better package, not sure the Leafs would be willing to part with what it might take to outbid other teams.
But I could be wrong about that as well.
Will see.
I just dont want him going to the sens or habs.

Swapping out Chychrun for Muzzin doesn't move the needle all that much this season IMO. A bit maybe, but the value in that trade grows each season.

Regardless I do not think now is the time to make a trade. Let Muzzin's health answer that question as well as Robertson to see where he stands
- Santo_44

Depends on the Muzzin that comes back. He was one of the worst defenders for 1/3 of the season before he "recovered."

They don't want to put up points.

They are in full tank mode.
- Atomic Wedgie

They will want Kerfoot to put up points if he is a UFA.

Their team is awful and swapping out Chychrun for Kerfoot helps...but Kerfoot getting so much playing time will bump his points up.

Keller and Schmaltz had no problems scoring.

4th liner Boyd had 37 points.

Pretty safe to say Arizona won’t give up Chychrun for UFAs and mid-round picks.

Armstrong isn’t hiding that he’s looking for a mix of good pick(s), prospect(s), and RFA(s)

I sincerely doubt Kerfoot agrees to move to Arizona (I'm assuming it's one of the 10 teams on his M-NTC).

He needs to put up points this year to earn his next contract. He's not going to do that in Arizona.
- Atomic Wedgie

Wasn't saying that he would be going to Arizona, Wedginald, just that he and Holl would need to be moved somewhere to make the $ work. (Although, Kerfoot would get much more chance to play PP in Arizona and more minutes to rack up points.)
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Chychrun makes sense for the Leafs. But I don't think a deal will happen. I don't think management wants to trade Kerfoot, and I kinda don't think they want to trade Holl, he seems to have value to them for some reason.

I think Chychrun makes a lot of sense for the Leafs. But I just dont see players with salary that need to be moved in the trade and who need to agree to a trade, actually agreeing to be traded to Arizona. Could be wrong.
Also, I think other teams could put together a better package, not sure the Leafs would be willing to part with what it might take to outbid other teams.
But I could be wrong about that as well.
Will see.
I just dont want him going to the sens or habs.
- Fakepartofme

I think the Leafs can compete with others with trade offers. I also think ARZ has been a bit out to lunch on what they have been asking for.

I think it makes more sense to see where we are in the new year. Kane, Meier, Pavelski ,Sanheim could all be had. I want the opportunity for the Leafs to be in those talks.

They will want Kerfoot to put up points if he is a UFA.

Their team is awful and swapping out Chychrun for Kerfoot helps...but Kerfoot getting so much playing time will bump his points up.

Keller and Schmaltz had no problems scoring.

4th liner Boyd had 37 points.
- Santo_44

And Kerfoot had 51 points playing in actual NHL facilities. Where you work matters. No one wants to go work in substandard conditions. No one waives to go to Arizona except for Andrew Ladd and he figured he was going to the desert to golf.

Swapping out Chychrun for Muzzin doesn't move the needle all that much this season IMO. A bit maybe, but the value in that trade grows each season.

Regardless I do not think now is the time to make a trade. Let Muzzin's health answer that question as well as Robertson to see where he stands
- Santo_44

I think it moves the needle a lot but I agree I don't think anything is going to happen now either.

Depends on the Muzzin that comes back. He was one of the worst defenders for 1/3 of the season before he "recovered."
- AdamFrench

Yeah and I think that's something we wait for.

Not worth giving up the price as of today.

Also what if Muzzin has a solid decently healthy season? He might be worth something decent next offseason.

I think the opposite

He likely gets 1C time next to Keller and Schmaltz and PP1.

He would be their biggest rental chip and they would want to set him up to put up points.
- Santo_44

This.

And Kerfoot had 51 points playing in actual NHL facilities. Where you work matters. No one wants to go work in substandard conditions. No one waives to go to Arizona except for Andrew Ladd and he figured he was going to the desert to golf.
- Canada Cup

He also had 23 and 28 points in previous seasons.

He'd get more points for the same reason Brown had more points in Ottawa.

Last year he didn't have much competition for 2LW. Now he has Robertson, Jarnkrok and Malgin.

I think the Leafs can compete with others with trade offers. I also think ARZ has been a bit out to lunch on what they have been asking for.

I think it makes more sense to see where we are in the new year. Kane, Meier, Pavelski ,Sanheim could all be had. I want the opportunity for the Leafs to be in those talks.
- Santo_44

They could be able to compete or outbid, but it would probably be an overpayment.
Either way, I dont see Chychrun coming to Toronto

Pretty safe to say Arizona won’t give up Chychrun for UFAs and mid-round picks.

Armstrong isn’t hiding that he’s looking for a mix of good pick(s), prospect(s), and RFA(s)
- Dozzer

Toss em a 7th

No, you are obsessed and think Holl is far worse than he actually is. Also Arizona has made their asking price clear, to get Chychrun you’re looking at giving up high end picks and prospects. Vets aren’t going to be what Arizona accepts.

Most importantly here tho… don’t be insulting people by openly trashing their comments with something like “stupid ass response” which crossed the line so please consider this the warning.
- Dozzer

Booting dead weight out and adding a clear overall improvement for the team don't need to go hand in hand. We were just talking about if those certain players (Kerfoot, Muzzin, and Holl) could feasibly accept a trade to Arizona.

Leafs don't NEED to add Chychrun to do the correct thing and ship Holl out. They can easily ditch Holl and that in and of itself is an undeniable improvement to the team.

I know the Leafs are unlikely to get Chychrun. I've said as such since the get go (especially since Ottawa talks for him are heating up ). Talking about how you'd like to improve the team is half of what we do here. And he's the improvement I'd love to see.

And I'll respond to the last paragraph in a PM, since I know you'll not want my response to it on here.

He also had 23 and 28 points in previous seasons.

He'd get more points for the same reason Brown had more points in Ottawa.

Last year he didn't have much competition for 2LW. Now he has Robertson, Jarnkrok and Malgin.
- Santo_44

As of now, of those 3, IMO only Jarnkrok could compete for the 2LW spot.

Toss em a 7th
- Yeti1181

That's crazy.....it will a take 6th for sure.

As of now, of those 3, IMO only Jarnkrok could compete for the 2LW spot.
- Fakepartofme

Robertson has looked good and is hitting that time where its realistic he can break through in the NHL.

Also I think people sleep on Malgin and like it or not his 750K cap hit gives him a massive advantage. If he can offer value at 2LW it is hard to not give it to him.

As of now, of those 3, IMO only Jarnkrok could compete for the 2LW spot.
- Fakepartofme

Read an article that had some Keefe quotes, Keefe loves the guy already. He will get every chance at 2LW to start the season from the sound of it. Talked about his defensive side which is exactly what Tavares/Nylander need.

Bunting, Matthews, Marner
Jarnkrok, Tavares, Nylander
Kerfoot, Kampf, Kubel (KKK line, not nice)
Engvall, Gaudette, ZAR

Toss em a 7th
- Yeti1181

That should do it

As of now, of those 3, IMO only Jarnkrok could compete for the 2LW spot.
- Fakepartofme

And Willie could easily be on the 3rd line. Kerfoot knows he’s a valuable piece on a contending team and knows that he can potentially play with great players.

That’s a lot to give up to potentially be a 1C on a really bad team playing in poop conditions

Pretty safe to say Arizona won’t give up Chychrun for UFAs and mid-round picks.

Armstrong isn’t hiding that he’s looking for a mix of good pick(s), prospect(s), and RFA(s)
- Dozzer

There has been ongoing talks about this trade for close to a year. Chychrun scored 21 points last season and was -20 in 47 games. He was a 16th overall pick. If he was easy to move, it would have happened long ago. IMO the Leafs will not pay the price that Armstrong is expecting and very few teams will. At age 24 still young, but by no means a top two defender - which is what he is being peddled as. On the soft side and if the team really stinks as the Coyotes do, shouldn't their best defender be elevating their production to some extent?