Maybe Dallas says they'd rather place the big extension with their center Hintz and trade Robertson for a nice return, because they have 2 big time prospects from their 2021 draft in Wyatt Johnston and Logan Stankhoven who had monster seasons last year?
- kingcong39

Don't you expect Dallas just to get it worked out? Robertson, Hintz, Oettinger, Heiskanen, Lindell is one hell of a core.

Does make you wonder why they felt the need to sign Colin Miller. An extra million to work with would be nice right now.

Don't you expect Dallas just to get it worked out? Robertson, Hintz, Oettinger, Heiskanen, Lindell is one hell of a core.

Does make you wonder why they felt the need to sign Colin Miller. An extra million to work with would be nice right now.
- Lunaion

I do, but the Dallas owner is an X factor. His comments a while back were telling regarding his mindset.

I like the betting on not terrible part of the deal, but we're talking an eichel type trade payment in my book.

4 pieces

Krebs (although they like him)
Cozens or Quinn (not tuch)
2023 1st round pick ( protected)
2024 1st round pick ( protected)

Robertson could have more value than the injured eichel, thus the 2nd (1st rounder) instead of a second.
- Boss34

There's no way in (frank)all they pay even close to this.

You're missing a very important option that Dallas also has: They can pay Robertson $8M or more and dip into LTIR with Khudobin, then they can worry about the 23-24 cap next offseason when they need to extend Hintz.

Dallas still has leverage.
- kingcong39

Along with projected cap rise that was shared earlier in this thread, theres a solution there.

There's no way in (frank)all they pay even close to this.
- TheSabresTaco

If he's actually available (big if), the team that lands him will have to pay something like that. It's not like Eichel where only a select number of teams had the ability to fit him on their roster in the first place. There would be something of a bidding war in this case.

Too rich for my blood. I would do the picks with Rosen and Olofsson
- Hank Balling

Yeah, gotta give to get.

I'm sure a lot of posters want to trade olofsson, portillo's and Johnson's right, maybe pilut and Fitzgerald would be nice from our perspective.

As much as I like olofsson, his value is probably a late 1st/ or 2nd.
Not much of a trade piece IMO. Probably tdl guy anyway.

Quinn or cozens
Rosen or kulich (instead of krebs)
2023 1st protected
2024 1st protected

Minimum

There's no way in (frank)all they pay even close to this.
- TheSabresTaco

yea never,

players are always very overvalued by fans.

Hell look at the most recent trades of young players.

Not a great haul outside of the Tkachuk trade.

I do, but the Dallas owner is an X factor. His comments a while back were telling regarding his mindset.
- kingcong39

Would bet the Tage deal really pissed him off.

If he's actually available (big if), the team that lands him will have to pay something like that. It's not like Eichel where only a select number of teams had the ability to fit him on their roster in the first place. There would be something of a bidding war in this case.
- buffalofan19

SUre, there was also a bidding war for Eichel, lets not pretend there wasnt.

Hes not signed and those players normally get less.

Its not going to be an extreme package, if he is indeed moved.

It'll be steep, but it wont cost the farm like people are suggesting.

Roberston is not a true household name in that sense like Tkachuk or Eichel either.

Sounds like you do. We won't OS your guys if you don't OS ours. It borders on collusion.

Same doesn't hold true in the NFL. No holds barred there.
- Lunaion

Its always bordered on collusion. Nhlpa knows the game.

As far as I'm concerned, the Sabres still owe the Oilers, for the vanek signing sheet offer.

KA isnt that guy, gee golly , let's be honest.


Look at the habs and canes. Personal vendettas

https://www.nhl.com/sabre...ember-28-2022/c-335853968
Very Young, can't wait

Yeah, gotta give to get.

I'm sure a lot of posters want to trade olofsson, portillo's and Johnson's right, maybe pilut and Fitzgerald would be nice from our perspective.

As much as I like olofsson, his value is probably a late 1st/ or 2nd.
Not much of a trade piece IMO. Probably tdl guy anyway.

Quinn or cozens
Rosen or kulich (instead of krebs)
2023 1st protected
2024 1st protected

Minimum
- Boss34

I would be willing to be my house its not even remotely in the same country is that offer.

There's no way in (frank)all they pay even close to this.
- TheSabresTaco

There's no way in (frank)all they get Robertson then.

Guys a top 25ish young nhl forward

We're out then..

I would be willing to be my house its not even remotely in the same country is that offer.
- ImThatGuy

I'd lean towards betting that there won't be an actual offer from the Sabres.

I would be willing to be my house its not even remotely in the same country is that offer.
- ImThatGuy

Imthathomelessguy

Just because someone isnt a "house hold name " , doesn't mean they aren't valuable

41 goals as a 23 year old.

Its always bordered on collusion. Nhlpa knows the game.

As far as I'm concerned, the Sabres still owe the Oilers, for the vanek signing sheet offer.

KA isnt that guy, gee golly , let's be honest.


Look at the habs and canes. Personal vendettas
- Boss34

Seems like the boat everyone is in.

As a small market team, it should be an invaluable tool. Instead, they just know not to rock the boat.

Reverse storm surge empties Tampa Bay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gLACWAczmc
Meanwhile, down in Naples beach front homes are 6 feet under water.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIX8uEtDjBU

Debrincat and Robertson are almost identical producers. They were also drafted in the exact same place (2/39 OA) one year apart. Almost the exact same age, two guys looking for long term contracts that burn up UFA years. I challenge anyone to find a better, usable example. Both wingers. Both very similar analytical impacts on the ice as far as war, gar, spar and rapm. Robertson is a year younger and has had an almost identical trajectory as Debrincat.

Now let's look at both teams getting rid of the guy.

Chicago and Debrincat both had interest in moving on because of their obvious rebuild. However, Chicago had time and didn't absolutely need to trade him. They have two more years of control and could have deferred to next summer to make a decision and/or try to re-sign him. The only negative value here is the perception that Chicago wants to get rid of him. His value to the winning bidder was a top 10 pick, an early 2nd and an early 3rd.

Dallas is for, whatever reason, screwing around with their best young forward. I don't know the reason, but Friedman provides speculation on that.
"I just don’t think they have the ability to do this deal for term. If they couldn’t do Oettinger for term, then they certainly can’t do Robertson for term I don’t think, unless there is another move coming there that I don’t see right now. I wouldn’t expect Robertson right now for term."

Robertson is demanding term and dollars that the Stars apparently are unwilling to provide. Not a great choice. This, like Debrincat, is viewed as negative value. The perception that Dallas won't/can't step up to a star player.

While I ultimately don't think he moves, I think his value to a team like Buffalo, is a young winger (Mitts?), top 5 protected 1st, highest of 3 seconds. This offer exceeds the Debrincat deal while not totally blasting the value out of the water.

Thanks for listening.

Debrincat and Robertson are almost identical producers. They were also drafted in the exact same place (2/39 OA) one year apart. Almost the exact same age, two guys looking for long term contracts that burn up UFA years. I challenge anyone to find a better, usable example. Both wingers. Both very similar analytical impacts on the ice as far as war, gar, spar and rapm. Robertson is a year younger and has had an almost identical trajectory as Debrincat.

Now let's look at both teams getting rid of the guy.

Chicago and Debrincat both had interest in moving on because of their obvious rebuild. However, Chicago had time and didn't absolutely need to trade him. They have two more years of control and could have deferred to next summer to make a decision and/or try to re-sign him. The only negative value here is the perception that Chicago wants to get rid of him. His value to the winning bidder was a top 10 pick, an early 2nd and an early 3rd.

Dallas is for, whatever reason, screwing around with their best young forward. I don't know the reason, but Friedman provides speculation on that.
"I just don’t think they have the ability to do this deal for term. If they couldn’t do Oettinger for term, then they certainly can’t do Robertson for term I don’t think, unless there is another move coming there that I don’t see right now. I wouldn’t expect Robertson right now for term."

Robertson is demanding term and dollars that the Stars apparently are unwilling to provide. Not a great choice. This, like Debrincat, is viewed as negative value. The perception that Dallas won't/can't step up to a star player.

While I ultimately don't think he moves, I think his value to a team like Buffalo, is a young winger (Mitts?), top 5 protected 1st, highest of 3 seconds. This offer exceeds the Debrincat deal while not totally blasting the value out of the water.

Thanks for listening.
- TheSabresTaco

Two similar players, 2 very different contract situations. I think that's a lot of Robertson's value.

Two similar players, 2 very different contract situations. I think that's a lot of Robertson's value.
- Lunaion

hardly. Jason gets paid this year what Cat gets paid next year. Both RFAs. They are both, probably, demanding term. Which means UFA years. And you're not walking these players to UFA in one, two years.

It's the same.

hardly. Jason gets paid this year what Cat gets paid next year. Both RFAs. They are both, probably, demanding term. Which means UFA years. And you're not walking these players to UFA in one, two years.

It's the same.
- TheSabresTaco

Don't see it as remotely close. Robertson is 5 years from UFA. Debrincat is UFA in 2, in the final year of his bridge, looking at a 9m QO with arb rights. No one can stop him from walking to UFA.

Don't see it as remotely close. Robertson is 5 years from UFA. Debrincat is UFA in 2, in the final year of his bridge, looking at a 9m QO with arb rights. No one can stop him from walking to UFA.
- Lunaion

Four. So they're two years apart.

The scenario, as it appears, is that if Robertson takes a 3 year deal, he'll be in the Reinhart zone.

Apparently he wants the UFA contract and Dallas won't give it to him.

If Dallas doesn't have that control over his contract demands, teams are going to start firing offers.

This should be an easy problem to address but for some reason they're not.

Four. So they're two years apart.
- TheSabresTaco

He was 22 on 7/1 and has 2 accrued seasons. Looks like 5 to me.

He was 22 on 7/1 and has 2 years seasons. Looks like 5 to me.
- Lunaion

Age is irrelevant. Vested years is 3.

Tage Thompson gained an entire year by playing one game for Ralph.

Those slide rules we like to joke about.. those are real poop.