I think you’re jumping a little far on your judgement atm. To expect guys to play their first game with a team and different players solidly is a bit much to ask. Of course they looked awkward, they’ll still be learning the defensive system the leafs use.

We’ll see what they look like by pre-season’s end. I’m not expecting all-stars by any means but I’m willing to bet they become solid 7-9th d-men
- Dozzer

7-9 is fine. But you wouldn’t want to put two of those guys out together. Just have them with someone solid. That’s all I’m saying

Saw lots of water damage over by New Glasgow. I heard that one of the bridges at Brackley was damaged. Teacup Rock is no more Glad I got to see it.
- Canada Cup

Oh I read up on it and there is sooooo much damage out there atm.

I’m hearing power is out in Alberton but the fire station is helping people by letting them come by for food and the ability to charge their phones.

My primary concern is that I hope everyone is alright.

7-9 is fine. But you wouldn’t want to put two of those guys out together. Just have them with someone solid. That’s all I’m saying
- Canada Cup

Oh if the leafs get injury riddled to the point they have to play two of those guys for a lengthy amount of time or make a trade I hope they make the trade.

As a team that considers itself a cup contender needing 1 of those guys in the lineup is one thing, needing both for a short period of time is worse but still acceptable, for a long period of time no, Dubas would need to make a move

And btw stop hoping for Chychrun lol… if Arizona moves that guy they’re going to need a top end pick and prospect… and there will be a team somewhere willing to offer that.

Oh if the leafs get injury riddled to

the point they have to play two of those guys for a lengthy amount of time or make a trade I hope they make the trade.

As a team that considers itself a cup contender needing 1 of those guys in the lineup is one thing, needing both for a short period of time is worse but still acceptable, for a long period of time no, Dubas would need to make a move

And btw stop hoping for Chychrun lol… if Arizona moves that guy they’re going to need a top end pick and prospect… and there will be a team somewhere willing to offer that.
- Dozzer

The market for Chychrun is going up I believe- more teams thinking they might be around the w/c … AZ was wise to wait -

Oh if the leafs get injury riddled to the point they have to play two of those guys for a lengthy amount of time or make a trade I hope they make the trade.

As a team that considers itself a cup contender needing 1 of those guys in the lineup is one thing, needing both for a short period of time is worse but still acceptable, for a long period of time no, Dubas would need to make a move

And btw stop hoping for Chychrun lol… if Arizona moves that guy they’re going to need a top end pick and prospect… and there will be a team somewhere willing to offer that.
- Dozzer

The problem with Chychrun is $. You’d have to move a guy like Kerfoot or Muzzin or Holl who would all have Arizona at the top of their NTC list. Nobody wants to go play in second rate facilities.

He’d be nice but I haven’t been one of the guys pushing for him

Didn't he and management agree late july he would be better served with another NCAA year before ̶e̶v̶e̶n̶t̶u̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶l̶e̶a̶v̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶a̶ ̶U̶F̶A̶ maybe joining the leafs at the end of the year?
- Scabeh

well done

Oh if the leafs get injury riddled to the point they have to play two of those guys for a lengthy amount of time or make a trade I hope they make the trade.

As a team that considers itself a cup contender needing 1 of those guys in the lineup is one thing, needing both for a short period of time is worse but still acceptable, for a long period of time no, Dubas would need to make a move

And btw stop hoping for Chychrun lol… if Arizona moves that guy they’re going to need a top end pick and prospect… and there will be a team somewhere willing to offer that.
- Dozzer

Yeah. The Leafs.

The problem with Chychrun is $. You’d have to move a guy like Kerfoot or Muzzin or Holl who would all have Arizona at the top of their NTC list. Nobody wants to go play in second rate facilities.

He’d be nice but I haven’t been one of the guys pushing for him
- Canada Cup

holy poop Kerfoot is 28 years old already?

The market for Chychrun is going up I believe- more teams thinking they might be around the w/c … AZ was wise to wait -
- dozerD10

Just read an article.

1 or 2 first rounders (obviously if they’re the first half or second of the round) plus a top prospect or NHLer.

So essentially for the leafs to land him it would cost them Sandin and 2 first rounders

“Coyotes general manager Bill Armstrong is said to be seeking a package that advances his ongoing rebuild of the Coyotes. It's believed he wants one or two first-round picks, a top prospect, or a good young NHL player as part of the return.”

https://www.google.com/am...ona-but-where-could-he-go

So even if the leafs included Kerfoot and Holl it would be nothing more than a favour to them so they can get Chychrun into the lineup under the cap. The picks and prospects would still be necessary. He’s a great young D but has been injury ridden and I simply feel that’s too high of a cost.

Just read an article.

1 or 2 first rounders (obviously if they’re the first half or second of the round) plus a top prospect or NHLer.

So essentially for the leafs to land him it would cost them Sandin and 2 first rounders

“Coyotes general manager Bill Armstrong is said to be seeking a package that advances his ongoing rebuild of the Coyotes. It's believed he wants one or two first-round picks, a top prospect, or a good young NHL player as part of the return.”

https://www.google.com/am...ona-but-where-could-he-go

So even if the leafs included Kerfoot and Holl it would be nothing more than a favour to them so they can get Chychrun into the lineup under the cap. The picks and prospects would still be necessary. He’s a great young D but has been injury ridden and I simply feel that’s too high of a cost.
- Dozzer

Well negotiations have a starting point. I think Sandin and a 1st is where the leafs would agree to and a lesser pick like a 2nd or 3rd.

However, it feels like to me if the leafs were to trade for him, it would be a forced trade. I don't think there's a fit for the pieces Arizona needs/wants and the leafs have. TLDR; Other teams can offer better packages for him.

The problem with Chychrun is $. You’d have to move a guy like Kerfoot or Muzzin or Holl who would all have Arizona at the top of their NTC list. Nobody wants to go play in second rate facilities.

He’d be nice but I haven’t been one of the guys pushing for him
- Canada Cup

Muzzin won’t go… not til next year… the guy is from Woodstock Ontario so he won’t let them trade him this year.

Holl and Kerfoot might think about it tho since they’d be essentially guaranteed good playing time in the back half of their careers.

Still going to cost picks and a prospect/young player as well tho

Yeah. The Leafs.
- GreatGigInTheSky

If Dubas has reached the point where he feels he’s gonna get fired watch out

Yeah. The Leafs.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I don't see it happening right now.

I think he gets dealt at the deadline.

Well negotiations have a starting point. I think Sandin and a 1st is where the leafs would agree to and a lesser pick like a 2nd or 3rd.

However, it feels like to me if the leafs were to trade for him, it would be a forced trade. I don't think there's a fit for the pieces Arizona needs/wants and the leafs have. TLDR; Other teams can offer better packages for him.
- Aaron_85

I wouldn’t accept that if I was Arizona.

Sandin a late first rounder literally 3 picks earlier than the second round and a pick that will likely be not much earlier.

So yeah you’re bang on. Another team will simply offer more.

Muzzin won’t go… not til next year… the guy is from Woodstock Ontario so he won’t let them trade him this year.

Holl and Kerfoot might think about it tho since they’d be essentially guaranteed good playing time in the back half of their careers.

Still going to cost picks and a prospect/young player as well tho
- Dozzer

Probably right but you can plan without his 5.6M cap next year when making deals now.

Well negotiations have a starting point. I think Sandin and a 1st is where the leafs would agree to and a lesser pick like a 2nd or 3rd.

However, it feels like to me if the leafs were to trade for him, it would be a forced trade. I don't think there's a fit for the pieces Arizona needs/wants and the leafs have. TLDR; Other teams can offer better packages for him.
- Aaron_85

Wait to see what is available at the deadline.

Patty Kane could be had, I'd rather not deal all our assets away for a position that doesn't really NEED to be upgraded at the moment.

Probably right but you can plan without his 5.6M cap next year when making deals now.
- Santo_44

Agreed, come July 1 2023 he only gets to block 10 teams so unless this guy has a solid year I’m willing to bet he gets moved next summer.

holy poop Kerfoot is 28 years old already?
- BINGO!

Yeah, well he may be 28 years old, but he plays like he's overpaid!

I wouldn’t accept that if I was Arizona.

Sandin a late first rounder literally 3 picks earlier than the second round and a pick that will likely be not much earlier.

So yeah you’re bang on. Another team will simply offer more.
- Dozzer

If it were to happen I think the leafs would have to make two separate trades. One moving Kerfoot/Holl/prospect/picks (of whatever you fancy) to get the pieces needed to trade for Chychrun. Which I think just defeats the purpose.

Plus, my belief is, there's more than one good player to be traded for that would upgrade the team. I'd rather a forward at this point than a d-man.

Muzzin won’t go… not til next year… the guy is from Woodstock Ontario so he won’t let them trade him this year.

Holl and Kerfoot might think about it tho since they’d be essentially guaranteed good playing time in the back half of their careers.

Still going to cost picks and a prospect/young player as well tho
- Dozzer

The facilities are substandard. That poop matters especially to guys who feel all the aches and pains.

Agreed, come July 1 2023 he only gets to block 10 teams so unless this guy has a solid year I’m willing to bet he gets moved next summer.
- Dozzer

he may need to pull a Webber this and next season due his back and concussion issues.
I think it's call Robidas Island LTIR

If it were to happen I think the leafs would have to make two separate trades. One moving Kerfoot/Holl/prospect/picks (of whatever you fancy) to get the pieces needed to trade for Chychrun. Which I think just defeats the purpose.

Plus, my belief is, there's more than one good player to be traded for that would upgrade the team. I'd rather a forward at this point than a d-man.
- Aaron_85

Agreed… I think the D depth is solid if they remain healthy.

he may need to pull a Webber this and next season due his back and concussion issues.
I think it's call Robidas Island LTIR
- dmnted

He was skating today. If they can manage his time and get a good playoff out of him I have no problem keeping him this year (since there’s no choice as he has a full NTC). I definitely move him in the summer though. His $ is too important to put the pieces in place to entice Matthews to stay.

The facilities are substandard. That poop matters especially to guys who feel all the aches and pains.
- Canada Cup

Yeah but those guys aren’t the types to be guaranteed roles moving forward. Not at their current salary anyways. Whereas if they play for a team like Arizona they’ll still get a decent salary since the coyotes still need guys like them to make the salary cap base.

he may need to pull a Webber this and next season due his back and concussion issues.
I think it's call Robidas Island LTIR
- dmnted

Not a chance.

He’ll be playing but they’re not going to force him to play at he beginning of a preseason if it ups his risk.