Made my day with that sentence.
- furio16

😂😂 I know the goods!

But Giroux's plans did matter! If Giroux planned on going back to Ottawa, why did he have to tie Fletcher's hands and only allow him to trade with Florida? Could he not have played for Colorado who clearly were willing to add him at the deadline, Tampa or the Wild? Just three teams in the mix would have allowed Fletcher to get much, much more for Giroux and help this franchise rebuild. I understand the Flyers did not have great teams while Giroux was here, but the Flyers never did anything other than treat Giroux with dignity and respect throughout his years here, thus Giroux could have done much better for the Flyers.
- jd250

No his plans didn't matter. He had a NMC. He invoked it. End of the story.

He also wouldn't have got back much more imo.

https://twitter.com/renla...5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

The issue with the trade is the team didn’t see any return until what, last year? What was Hextall plan, wait until Simmonds was cooked, Jake and G are out of their prime to make a move? He should have traded Simmonds too. The rebuild on the fly was a horrible idea.
- ClaudeFather

I don’t know how the organization waited too long on Simmonds and Voracek, while trading Schenn too soon. Giroux is debatable. I was hoping he’d end his career here.

Yes Giroux had the right, but did he have to exercise it? I mean, If Giroux truly had his heart set on playing for the Florida Panthers for the rest of his career and resigned with them in the off season, I would have felt better about the entire thing, because like you said, Giroux had the right to play where he wanted to play. BUT, in the end it was clear he didn't care about playing for Florida, he was going back home all along. So why tie Fletcher's hands? Let him deal you to a contender that gives you a legitimate shot at the cup and then play for your home town team. Everyone wins!
- jd250

Only you could try to make G the bad guy in this scenerio

Blah blah blah. It means everything.

And what exactly has he done post draft? Squat. Plenty of players put up good numbers in juniors post draft. Plenty.

I don't fail to understand anything.

Morgan Frost is EXACTLY what he should be as a #27 pick. If you want to compare him to Wayne Gretzky that is on you. I will live in reality and compare him to other players drafted where he was.
- MBFlyerfan

? What does his draft position have to do with this year? Does cates draft position matter. I mean he was a 5 th round selection like 5 years ago?????

Everyone wants first round picks to play. But where he was selected no longer matters and hasn’t since the draft.

? What does his draft position have to do with this year? Does cates draft position matter. I mean he was a 5 th round selection like 5 years ago?????

Everyone wants first round picks to play. But where he was selected no longer matters and hasn’t since the draft.
- Peter Richards

Lol what was the draft, 6 years ago. Just an absolutely ridiculous take.

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- furio16

Interesting. I hope this is true. I was definitely expecting the worst on this..

Interesting. I hope this is true. I was definitely expecting the worst on this..
- Hextall271

I do not. It will typical be Flyers fashion to get him back then hurt again. This organization has zero long term plan. Hell not even a 3 month plan.

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- furio16

If these sources are the flyers “medical staff,” then any optimism would be pointless. I would not put a lot of faith in this kind of thing since it likely comes from the team. This injury just give them another opportunity to put a player out there prematurely and get hurt again right away.

There was a reason Tippet was skating in the minors when the Flyers traded for him ... its unfortunate and again, I lay this all on the selfishness of Giroux. He could have played for any contender last year since its now clear his plans were to go back to Ottawa, his home town. Totally tied Fletcher's hands, and we got nothing but what will turn out to be a late 1st round pick in a weak draft. CC's last stab at his old team!
- jd250

this was actually one of the better trades Fletcher made, imo. So maybe his hands should be tied more often.

No his plans didn't matter. He had a NMC. He invoked it. End of the story.

He also wouldn't have got back much more imo.
- furio16

Well, it would’ve been nice for management to get several teams on that list so that they could see what they could get. Having failed to do so, we are left to speculate over whether we got as much as we could have. It is a fools errand to have only one team on the move list. Claude should’ve been told to give multiple names or to be prepared to end his career as a Flyer. We would’ve been better off, as it is not clear that we got anything in return. This is just another example of Chuck not being able to get value for his assets. The guy sucks.

Of course he counts, but when you trade away a player in his prime that goes on to help another team win a Stanley Cup you damn well better get a good return on that investment. To this date do you think the Flyers have won that trade? For the record I liked the trade at the time, so I'm not trying to crucify the trade itself, but the return has been rather weak unless Frost turns into something more than he has shown thus far.
- Phillywhiteout

That means nothing, unless you're saying he was going to help the Flyers win a cup, which would be laughable. I still like the return the Flyers got but I was never a Schenn fan. Never thought he lived up to his expectations here.

That means nothing, unless you're saying he was going to help the Flyers win a cup, which would be laughable. I still like the return the Flyers got but I was never a Schenn fan. Never thought he lived up to his expectations here.
- rayc16

I like the value they got for Schenn but performance has made the trade appear lop-sided. This season, if both farabee and Frost take a step forward, that would balance the scales.

Well, it would’ve been nice for management to get several teams on that list so that they could see what they could get. Having failed to do so, we are left to speculate over whether we got as much as we could have. It is a fools errand to have only one team on the move list. Claude should’ve been told to give multiple names or to be prepared to end his career as a Flyer. We would’ve been better off, as it is not clear that we got anything in return. This is just another example of Chuck not being able to get value for his assets. The guy sucks.
- iamscore2day

Chuck does suck.

In this case he couldn’t do much when all was said and done. Had he told Giroux well if you do not expand your list we won’t trade you. Then you are left with nothing as Giroux would have said fine IMO. Given the circumstances that we know he was lucky to get what he got really.

Your not better off getting nothing.

Chuck does suck.

In this case he couldn’t do much when all was said and done. Had he told Giroux well if you do not expand your list we won’t trade you. Then you are left with nothing as Giroux would have said fine IMO. Given the circumstances that we know he was lucky to get what he got really.

Your not better off getting nothing.
- furio16

I don’t agree with that. The additional amounts of liberated salary cap don’t mean a lot if you don’t provide something in anyway equivalent to Claude. In my view, we have a much better off just keeping Claude.

I don’t agree with that. The additional amounts of liberated salary cap don’t mean a lot if you don’t provide something in anyway equivalent to Claude. In my view, we have a much better off just keeping Claude.
- iamscore2day

Keeping Claude accomplishes what?

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- furio16

How is the Habs reporter the guy to break this info?...everybody else seems to not be willing to actually answer the Couturier questions, I mean, they've had their 2nd opinion for 4 days.

Also, the Flyers should not be operating around a best case scenario in regards to a timetable for recovery. Let these guys have time to recover properly coming off major surgery. They've went with best case with Coots once already, Hayes last year and seemingly Farabee is on the fast-track to playing again.

Only you could try to make G the bad guy in this scenerio
- corduroy

I let the facts lead me to where they lead me. I don't want Giroux to be a bad guy, but its clear that he hurt the Flyers last year with the way he handled the entire deadline. The facts are indisputable to this point!

this was actually one of the better trades Fletcher made, imo. So maybe his hands should be tied more often.
- rayc16

The Flyers received a 2024 first-round pick, a 2023 third-round pick and forward Owen Tippett for Giroux. Compared to what other accomplished players are traded for at the deadline, and you are trying to tell me this is all Giroux was worth?

I let the facts lead me to where they lead me. I don't want Giroux to be a bad guy, but its clear that he hurt the Flyers last year with the way he handled the entire deadline. The facts are indisputable to this point!
- jd250

Seems to me he helped the Flyers get a young roster player and a first round pick rather than get nothing at all.

Those are the only indisputable facts here.

The Flyers received a 2024 first-round pick, a 2023 third-round pick and forward Owen Tippett for Giroux. Compared to what other accomplished players are traded for at the deadline, and you are trying to tell me this is all Giroux was worth?
- jd250

Which accomplished players? And how many of them had full NMC's?

I let the facts lead me to where they lead me. I don't want Giroux to be a bad guy, but it's clear that he hurt the Flyers last year with the way he handled the entire deadline. The facts are indisputable to this point!
- jd250

He had the right to do what was best for him and his family at that time; his contract included the NTC, so he could have told chuckles to pound sand when asked if he would waive it.

He did nothing wrong - he exercised his collectively bargained rights.

As usual, you are wrong.