There was a reason Tippet was skating in the minors when the Flyers traded for him ... its unfortunate and again, I lay this all on the selfishness of Giroux. He could have played for any contender last year since its now clear his plans were to go back to Ottawa, his home town. Totally tied Fletcher's hands, and we got nothing but what will turn out to be a late 1st round pick in a weak draft. CC's last stab at his old team!
- jd250

How is is selfishness? The organization failed him for years. He owed them nothing.

Whatever his plans were really didn't matter anyway.

We are talking about Frost as if he is a top 3 pick instead of the 27th pick in the first round.


I don't feel like doing it again, but go back and look at the stats from the players picked 27th in the NHL draft. Go back 20-30 years if you want.

What you will see is that those players, if they made the NHL AT ALL, don't even average 25-45 points a season over the course of their careers. Most of them haven't scored 100 points in their whole careers.

We need to slow our rolls here on our expectations for Morgan Frost because he is "1st round pick."
- MBFlyerfan

I think it is more about the hype on Flyers message boards that created these expectations. Just my opinion.

Is he going to do this against Bergeron and Krejci?
- jd250

Christ dude, what did Frost do to deserve the hate from you, did he hurt you in some way?
I bet he could score 5 goals in a game and you would female dog that he should have scored 6.

I think it is more about the hype on Flyers message boards that created these expectations. Just my opinion.
- furio16

Thank you! To me it is irrelevant where he was drafted in the first round. The organization and those associated with it have been pumping this guy's tires for some time now. He has speed...he has this...he has that...etc!! Also the fact that they traded Schenn for this draft pick is a factor. He hasn't delivered the goods as of yet and that's why his success(or lack thereof) is being monitored closer than others.

We are talking about Frost as if he is a top 3 pick instead of the 27th pick in the first round.


I don't feel like doing it again, but go back and look at the stats from the players picked 27th in the NHL draft. Go back 20-30 years if you want.

What you will see is that those players, if they made the NHL AT ALL, don't even average 25-45 points a season over the course of their careers. Most of them haven't scored 100 points in their whole careers.

We need to slow our rolls here on our expectations for Morgan Frost because he is "1st round pick."
- MBFlyerfan

You are right regarding the 27th pick. The problem is Hextall traded Braydon Schenn for Frost and what turned out to be Farabee, around the same time Hextall gave $35M to JVR. The hope is you win the trade, but can the Flyers honestly say they did? Farabee is on the shelf and is a good, not great player. And Frost, well, we see what he is so far.

Thank you! To me it is irrelevant where he was drafted in the first round. The organization and those associated with it have been pumping this guy's tires for some time now. He has speed...he has this...he has that...etc!! Also the fact that they traded Schenn for this draft pick is a factor. He hasn't delivered the goods as of yet and that's why his success(or lack thereof) is being monitored closer than others.
- Phillywhiteout

And Farabee. Does he count?

Christ dude, what did Frost do to deserve the hate from you, did he hurt you in some way?
I bet he could score 5 goals in a game and you would female dog that he should have scored 6.
- WhiskeyMan

I don't hate Frost, not even a little bit. I, like every other fan, wants him to be a great player for this team. However, I have played, watched, and been around hockey for a long time, and I know the goods when I see it. Frost I fear will never have the goods. I sincerely hope I am wrong, it will not be the first time, but if I am right, I will be has disappointed as anyone.

We are talking about Frost as if he is a top 3 pick instead of the 27th pick in the first round.


I don't feel like doing it again, but go back and look at the stats from the players picked 27th in the NHL draft. Go back 20-30 years if you want.

What you will see is that those players, if they made the NHL AT ALL, don't even average 25-45 points a season over the course of their careers. Most of them haven't scored 100 points in their whole careers.

We need to slow our rolls here on our expectations for Morgan Frost because he is "1st round pick."
- MBFlyerfan

You’ve done this before and fail to understand that the expectations for this kid were put on for everything he did post being drafted, not going to re-hash again but his draft position no longer means anything.

How is is selfishness? The organization failed him for years. He owed them nothing.

Whatever his plans were really didn't matter anyway.
- furio16

But Giroux's plans did matter! If Giroux planned on going back to Ottawa, why did he have to tie Fletcher's hands and only allow him to trade with Florida? Could he not have played for Colorado who clearly were willing to add him at the deadline, Tampa or the Wild? Just three teams in the mix would have allowed Fletcher to get much, much more for Giroux and help this franchise rebuild. I understand the Flyers did not have great teams while Giroux was here, but the Flyers never did anything other than treat Giroux with dignity and respect throughout his years here, thus Giroux could have done much better for the Flyers.

We are talking about Frost as if he is a top 3 pick instead of the 27th pick in the first round.


I don't feel like doing it again, but go back and look at the stats from the players picked 27th in the NHL draft. Go back 20-30 years if you want.

What you will see is that those players, if they made the NHL AT ALL, don't even average 25-45 points a season over the course of their careers. Most of them haven't scored 100 points in their whole careers.

We need to slow our rolls here on our expectations for Morgan Frost because he is "1st round pick."
- MBFlyerfan

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You’ve done this before and fail to understand that the expectations for this kid were put on for everything he did post being drafted, not going to re-hash again but his draft position no longer means anything.
- ClaudeFather

Blah blah blah. It means everything.

And what exactly has he done post draft? Squat. Plenty of players put up good numbers in juniors post draft. Plenty.

I don't fail to understand anything.

Morgan Frost is EXACTLY what he should be as a #27 pick. If you want to compare him to Wayne Gretzky that is on you. I will live in reality and compare him to other players drafted where he was.

But Giroux's plans did matter! If Giroux planned on going back to Ottawa, why did he have to tie Fletcher's hands and only allow him to trade with Florida? Could he not have played for Colorado who clearly were willing to add him at the deadline, Tampa or the Wild? Just three teams in the mix would have allowed Fletcher to get much, much more for Giroux and help this franchise rebuild. I understand the Flyers did not have great teams while Giroux was here, but the Flyers never did anything other than treat Giroux with dignity and respect throughout his years here thus Giroux could have done much better for the Flyers.
- jd250

He didn't tie anyone hands. It was his right to decide IF and WHERE he would be traded to. If you are going to blame anyone, blame holmgren who included the NTC in the 8 year deal that G signed

Blah blah blah. It means everything.

And what exactly has he done post draft? Squat. Plenty of players put up good numbers in juniors post draft. Plenty.

I don't fail to understand anything.

Morgan Frost is EXACTLY what he should be as a #27 pick. If you want to compare him to Wayne Gretzky that is on you. I will live in reality and compare him to other players drafted where he was.
- MBFlyerfan

Think we are done here

And Farabee. Does he count?
- MBFlyerfan

Of course he counts, but when you trade away a player in his prime that goes on to help another team win a Stanley Cup you damn well better get a good return on that investment. To this date do you think the Flyers have won that trade? For the record I liked the trade at the time, so I'm not trying to crucify the trade itself, but the return has been rather weak unless Frost turns into something more than he has shown thus far.

Of course he counts, but when you trade away a player in his prime that goes on to help another team win a Stanley Cup you damn well better get a good return on that investment. To this date do you think the Flyers have won that trade? For the record I liked the trade at the time, so I'm not trying to crucify the trade itself, but the return has been rather weak unless Frost turns into something more than he has shown thus far.
- Phillywhiteout

The issue with the trade is the team didn’t see any return until what, last year? What was Hextall plan, wait until Simmonds was cooked, Jake and G are out of their prime to make a move? He should have traded Simmonds too. The rebuild on the fly was a horrible idea.

He didn't tie anyone hands. It was his right to decide IF and WHERE he would be traded to. If you are going to blame anyone, blame holmgren who included the NTC in the 8 year deal that G signed
- corduroy

Yes Giroux had the right, but did he have to exercise it? I mean, If Giroux truly had his heart set on playing for the Florida Panthers for the rest of his career and resigned with them in the off season, I would have felt better about the entire thing, because like you said, Giroux had the right to play where he wanted to play. BUT, in the end it was clear he didn't care about playing for Florida, he was going back home all along. So why tie Fletcher's hands? Let him deal you to a contender that gives you a legitimate shot at the cup and then play for your home town team. Everyone wins!

Yes Giroux had the right, but did he have to exercise it? I mean, If Giroux truly had his heart set on playing for the Florida Panthers for the rest of his career and resigned with them in the off season, I would have felt better about the entire thing, because like you said, Giroux had the right to play where he wanted to play. BUT, in the end it was clear he didn't care about playing for Florida, he was going back home all along. So why tie Fletcher's hands? Let him deal you to a contender that gives you a legitimate shot at the cup and then play for your home town team. Everyone wins!
- jd250

You really have to let this go. What the hell does G owe the Flyers?

He didn't tie anyone hands. It was his right to decide IF and WHERE he would be traded to. If you are going to blame anyone, blame holmgren who included the NTC in the 8 year deal that G signed
- corduroy

That deal was more than good for the Flyers, there is zero blame on Holmgren. That’s what contract a superstar gets

There was a reason Tippet was skating in the minors when the Flyers traded for him ... its unfortunate and again, I lay this all on the selfishness of Giroux. He could have played for any contender last year since its now clear his plans were to go back to Ottawa, his home town. Totally tied Fletcher's hands, and we got nothing but what will turn out to be a late 1st round pick in a weak draft. CC's last stab at his old team!
- jd250

The issue with the trade is the team didn’t see any return until what, last year? What was Hextall plan, wait until Simmonds was cooked, Jake and G are out of their prime to make a move? He should have traded Simmonds too. The rebuild on the fly was a horrible idea.
- ClaudeFather

while I dont completely agree with you on Frost, your question about what was Hextall thinking, is a good question. Hextall was stuck in his own head of doing a re-tool or a tear down, it ended up wasting assets and the prime of some really good players

Lol 5 on 3 assist was it? He did not look good last night.
- ClaudeFather

Don’t be so churlish. Who knows what it means for the long run but give the kid his due for one night.

You really have to let this go. What the hell does G owe the Flyers?
- ClaudeFather

I agree with this. If you want to blame anyone, blame Chuck for not getting a list of teams from the guy. If Claude says that he’s only willing to go to one team, and he doesn’t go anywhere. That would’ve given the flyer some leverage. Unfortunately, Chuck isn’t able to think in that manner. Our position should’ve been, we will do what we can to help you out but we also need to look out for the team. Having more than one team chasing Claude would’ve likely lead to a better outcome. All that is on the GM.

Christ dude, what did Frost do to deserve the hate from you, did he hurt you in some way?
I bet he could score 5 goals in a game and you would female dog that he should have scored 6.
- WhiskeyMan

It appears that Morgan frost is in the head of more than one regular poster on this board.

And Farabee. Does he count?
- MBFlyerfan

Schenn produces more and offers more than both of those 2 combined.

I don't hate Frost, not even a little bit. I, like every other fan, wants him to be a great player for this team. However, I have played, watched, and been around hockey for a long time, and I know the goods when I see it. Frost I fear will never have the goods. I sincerely hope I am wrong, it will not be the first time, but if I am right, I will be has disappointed as anyone.
- jd250

Made my day with that sentence.