Torts raises expectation for players, it doesn't mean they can play beyond their skill, but it is more likely they play to it. If the whole team buys in then at least you have a team identity. As the young players develop, then you add skill, you hope to add them to an environment that is hard working and teams based. All for one and one for all.
- wcorvette

And 3 Musketeers

It’s a theme.

You wanna give up four top 5 picks for Robertson? Cause this roster isn’t headed anywhere with or without him.
- hereticpride

Yea, you may be right. But flyers picks usual get some rare ilness or get retired early by major blow to the head or knees. The healthy ones usually average Joe's who do not bring a team over the hump. 🤣🤧

https://twitter.com/billmeltzer/status/1573341204804210688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1573341204804210688%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url

Hopefully a Nic D bobble head night.
- furio16

should have signed him to a 6 year deal instead of 4

Risto will be better under Tort's, I guarantee it.
- jd250

How are you defining better?

Risto will be better under Tort's, I guarantee it.
- jd250

you said the same thing about AV coaching him. How did that turn out?

I don’t think the point of Torts is to make the team better. The point is for the Flyers to look like they want the team to be better. Just like the off-season moves. They spent money like they were trying to improve the team without actually improving the team. Maybe this is tanking disguised as incompetence? Chuck is an evil genius. How else do you explain the Ellis situation?
- Dkos

YES! Finally one guy agrees w/ what I have been saying!

I know people keep saying that Torts is gonna magically make them good defensively... but remember the lineup we're talking about here. They'd be a poopty defensive team even with Coots and Ellis.

Coaching can only do so much. Q, Babs, Trotz, AV, Hitch, Sutter... they've all had lost seasons because they didn't have enough good players to work with. I don't think it's gonna be any different this year for Torts.



Well then they're good and (frank)ed
- Tomahawk

My concern is what Bob Habib was saying yesterday. That Torts will fashion this team to be a defensive minded, gritty, keep shots to the perimeter kind of team. And with the high danger chances reduced, Hart becomes a top 10 starting goalie, and we end up say 8th.

Couturier going out is a huge boon, but I am hoping the defensive liabilities of TAD, Risto and Hayes, and that it takes time for old dogs to learn new tricks, saves the day.

My concern is what Bob Habib was saying yesterday. That Torts will fashion this team to be a defensive minded, gritty, keep shots to the perimeter kind of team. And with the high danger chances reduced, Hart becomes a top 10 starting goalie, and we end up say 8th.

Couturier going out is a huge boon, but I am hoping the defensive liabilities of TAD, Risto and Hayes, and that it takes time for old dogs to learn new tricks, saves the day.
- PT21

I'm sure he'll try to implement that kind of system, but are TDA and RR capable of adhering to it?

The first opportunity that RR has to tag somebody on the wall, he's gonna run for it. It's just in his DNA.

And it's gonna be a long skate from goal line to goal line for TDA to get back into defensive position.



And at the end of the day, if Hart isn't doing a Shesterkin impression, nothing the skaters in front of him will do will really matter. A sub .910 team SV% guarantees they can't score enough goals to win on most nights.

Why would you try and trade Provorov? He has one of the best contracts for the Flyers RN.
- Pixote Andolini

As Dr. Midnite said, at the very very best, Flyers are going to be a genuine contending team in about 5 years. Provorov will be 30ish then.

In the interim he will worsen draft position, and there is also the prospects/picks he can bring back now, those who are say, 4-5 years younger.

I don't think everyone realizes how bad the situation is of this franchise as far as actual cup winning chances go for the indefinite future:

Consider the following:

1. We cannot pick studs after the top few.
2. We cannot develop studs from where we pick outside the top 5.
3. The fans are not patient enough to withstand a long time tank like say Detroit fans are. 5-6 years of top 10 but not top 3 picks may work but fans will not stay the course and therefore neither will Comcast.
4. Mgmt (whether it is country club or Comcast doesn't really matter, and why they do so also doesn't matter) feeds us and even aspires to feed us a steady diet of capped out bubble-teamhood. And fans by and large, buy that product.

Folks this vicious cycle could go on for years and years. The only way it breaks is in a year like this, with the chance to get the required talent in a short burst of time, aka a generational player, or at least a bona fide franchise one.

If they don't land it this year, you are not sniffing cup for the long, long future.

I'm sure he'll try to implement that kind of system, but are TDA and RR capable of adhering to it?

The first opportunity that RR has to tag somebody on the wall, he's gonna run for it. It's just in his DNA.

And it's gonna be a long skate from goal line to goal line for TDA to get back into defensive position.



And at the end of the day, if Hart isn't doing a Shesterkin impression, nothing the skaters in front of him will do will really matter. A sub .910 team SV% guarantees they can't score enough goals to win on most nights.
- Tomahawk

Correct me if I am wrong, but other than the time when he came into CBJ without the benefit of an off season and training camp, have any of his teams every finished bottom 5?

They could lose "most nights", but a majority of losses still could easily mean a 75+ pt season.

THAT IS NOT GONNA DO IT!!

And 3 Musketeers

It’s a theme.
- NC Flyers Fan

gotta have something to look forward to

Correct me if I am wrong, but other than the time when he came into CBJ without the benefit of an off season and training camp, have any of his teams every finished bottom 5?
- PT21

You'd have to go pretty far back, like his first years in Tampa.

The thing that kept some of those weaker Rangers and Jackets teams afloat was Vezina goaltending. He's not getting that kind of safety net here.

Interview with Fantilli for anyone interested.

Sounds like he gets it.

https://eprinkside.com/20...er-teams-will-line-up-for

As Dr. Midnite said, at the very very best, Flyers are going to be a genuine contending team in about 5 years. Provorov will be 30ish then.

In the interim he will worsen draft position, and there is also the prospects/picks he can bring back now, those who are say, 4-5 years younger.

I don't think everyone realizes how bad the situation is of this franchise as far as actual cup winning chances go for the indefinite future:

Consider the following:

1. We cannot pick studs after the top few.
2. We cannot develop studs from where we pick outside the top 5.
3. The fans are not patient enough to withstand a long time tank like say Detroit fans are. 5-6 years of top 10 but not top 3 picks may work but fans will not stay the course and therefore neither will Comcast.
4. Mgmt (whether it is country club or Comcast doesn't really matter, and why they do so also doesn't matter) feeds us and even aspires to feed us a steady diet of capped out bubble-teamhood. And fans by and large, buy that product.

Folks this vicious cycle could go on for years and years. The only way it breaks is in a year like this, with the chance to get the required talent in a short burst of time, aka a generational player, or at least a bona fide franchise one.

If they don't land it this year, you are not sniffing cup for the long, long future.
- PT21

Didn’t I say this years and years ago? Lol.

Sad it’s taking people having to see this team to finally get it.

We have both been saying this for a long long time.

Sadly some still don’t get it (mjl)

The only difference between now and when hexy took over 8 years ago and I said it was a 10 year rebuild is we do have some young talent. York forester cutter that we didn’t have before. So we’re looking at probably 7 years.

We need a couple top end players. (Bedard?)

We need to turn over all those that can gain future assets. Provy sanheim etc those that will be turning late 20’s in a few years. poop even hart doesn’t fit the timeline anymore.

Extending these players only adds to cap problems and less flexibility later on

This team saddled with coots Ellis risto for foreseeable future.

People can choose to believe otherwise but we will be having this same conversation over the next 5+ years because this stupid ass team will never get it.

As Dr. Midnite said, at the very very best, Flyers are going to be a genuine contending team in about 5 years. Provorov will be 30ish then.

In the interim he will worsen draft position, and there is also the prospects/picks he can bring back now, those who are say, 4-5 years younger.

I don't think everyone realizes how bad the situation is of this franchise as far as actual cup winning chances go for the indefinite future:

Consider the following:

1. We cannot pick studs after the top few.
2. We cannot develop studs from where we pick outside the top 5.
3. The fans are not patient enough to withstand a long time tank like say Detroit fans are. 5-6 years of top 10 but not top 3 picks may work but fans will not stay the course and therefore neither will Comcast.
4. Mgmt (whether it is country club or Comcast doesn't really matter, and why they do so also doesn't matter) feeds us and even aspires to feed us a steady diet of capped out bubble-teamhood. And fans by and large, buy that product.

Folks this vicious cycle could go on for years and years. The only way it breaks is in a year like this, with the chance to get the required talent in a short burst of time, aka a generational player, or at least a bona fide franchise one.

If they don't land it this year, you are not sniffing cup for the long, long future.
- PT21

Remember years ago when I said coots would never be more than a 3c possibly a 2c at best and we should trade him for a young goalie?

Man would be so great if we did. A decade and a half later we still will be nowhere near a cup and saddled with his albotross contract.

Where mjl to say I’m wrong. Embarrassing. More rope.

Flyers turning off comments on more posts again.

These games are going to be an absolute circus. And Comcast is going to blame the fans for all of it.

Now that Nick Seeler and Deslauriers are best buds I sense another golden marketing opportunity. The Bash Brothers!

Well he’s barely a number 4 dman making 6.5 w term, but sure it’s a great contract.

Can’t play the pp and honestly was avg to bad at 5 on 5 and on the kill. I hated Braun with him cause Provy must play w a puck mover.

I believe in him as a warrior, but he gets in his own head and has had the yips for over a season now. Really closer to two.

I don’t give a crap who signed him. Right now it’s a bad contract for a guy I can’t trust on the ice up a goal w a min left and for whatever reason is now mostly ineffective on the pp.

We also are kinda finding out he might have some leadership issues to boot, but sure it’s a great contract.

Let’s just keep having the same discussion over and over again…. I get it provy is Eddie Shore and Risto sucks. It’s nonsense. Pay your money go to the games and then tell me Provys got a good contract.
- Joe Nardone

And i stopped reading

Bill Meltzer: Training Camp Day 2: Scrimmage Day and Day 1 Recap
- bmeltzer

Couterier's career is OVER

Couterier's career is OVER
- penguininnevada

Perhaps you could learn how to spell before you come on here and spew your shiiit. Dumbass!

Now that Nick Seeler and Deslauriers are best buds I sense another golden marketing opportunity. The Bash Brothers!
- StepfordSam

Well Deslaurier seems to be off to a good start....Guy is the talk of the town due to his "ugly" performance yesterday, and now today he decides it's a good idea to run York. He's brought in to "protect" the young guys, only to turn around and be the one laying the hits on them....

Who’s the better player, Sanheim or Dobson

Well Deslaurier seems to be off to a good start....Guy is the talk of the town due to his "ugly" performance yesterday, and now today he decides it's a good idea to run York. He's brought in to "protect" the young guys, only to turn around and be the one laying the hits on them....
- Flyerfan2868

Footage of the hit?

I like Sloppy Joe tho and I like Spam too!
- Tomahawk

Then I am very sorry to offend you, sir!! My apologies
😂🙏
Truth be told I think I currently like both of those things more than this franchise anyway

I was thinking Beyond Meat. Snickers and a future partnership with Bruno Mars.
- Minnyhock

Beyond meat is the perfect example of this current franchise.
The avs and Tampa are filet mignon while we are plant based meat!

Nice analogy! 😂