he went on to describe how he dove in with Provy and how tight they became in a short period of time. It was a non-event statement
- wcorvette

that may be but it just seems strange that it was the first thing Chuck mentioned when I took the question as "how is he doing mentally dealing with injury and missing a second season" not "how is he holding up knowing he has to be a Flyer and all"

“How is Ellis holding up mentally?

It is extremely frustrating for him; I think he thought he would be a Predator forever. He got over the initial shock of being traded, he came here…”

This is very telling. Why would Chuck feel the need to make that known (or if it was known, why reiterate it?)

Whether it’s rehab or surgery, is there no rush to get better on his part because he’s in Philly?
- black_francis

As a professional athlete, he is a sissy.

Go back in the offseason.

SO how long before Provorov wants a trade?

No PP time anymore will have him crying again, and then his play will go down hill.

Trade him now get that 1st rd for this years draft and other assets.

IF chyc is worth 4 assets then provorov should be worth close to that.

Also see what the market is like for TK & Lauts.


This team will not compete for a playoff spot so selling assets for picks and prospect makes the most sense. Dont attach assets to trade players though, such as Hayes or coots but we need to get all the high priced guys out because they have proven nothing so it is time to move on.
- Flyerloon

If Chychrun was worth the equivalent of 4 1st rounders, he’d be gone already. Later the ask was the equivalent of 3 1st rounders. Nothing has happened. What is he worth? Imo they should move Provorov now if they can get a good haul. There is a good chance his value drops during the season with all RDs being defensive liabilities.

If Chychrun was worth the equivalent of 4 1st rounders, he’d be gone already. Later the ask was the equivalent of 3 1st rounders. Nothing has happened. What is he worth? Imo they should move Provorov now if they can get a good haul. There is a good chance his value drops during the season with all RDs being defensive liabilities.
- Minnyhock

If they aren’t getting a legit young star forward back for Provy I’m still keeping him. Otherwise what’s the point? The last thing this team needs is another middle 6 complimentary player.

If they aren’t getting a legit young star forward back for Provy I’m still keeping him. Otherwise what’s the point? The last thing this team needs is another middle 6 complimentary player.
- hereticpride

What would you say to 2 years of Schiefele if he was willing to waive his 10 team no trade assuming the Flyers are on it?

What would you say to 2 years of Schiefele if he was willing to waive his 10 team no trade assuming the Flyers are on it?
- Minnyhock

Pass. He’ll be 30 this season and I feel like we’re more than 3 years away at least.

Looking at the potential roster and considering what Tort's has done in other places, I think the Flyers will struggle to score 5 v 5 this year, but this will be balanced by being a much better defensive team 5 v 5.
- jd250

I know people keep saying that Torts is gonna magically make them good defensively... but remember the lineup we're talking about here. They'd be a poopty defensive team even with Coots and Ellis.

Coaching can only do so much. Q, Babs, Trotz, AV, Hitch, Sutter... they've all had lost seasons because they didn't have enough good players to work with. I don't think it's gonna be any different this year for Torts.

The key to this season for the Flyers therefore will be the special teams.
- jd250

Well then they're good and (frank)ed

I know people keep saying that Torts is gonna magically make them good defensively... but remember the lineup we're talking about here.

Coaching can only do so much. Q, Babs, Trotz, AV, Hitch, Sutter... they've all had lost seasons because they didn't have enough good players to work with. I don't think it's gonna be any different this year for Torts.



Well then they're good and (frank)ed
- Tomahawk

Yep! Can't make filet mignon out of hamburger. Last year was gamey old mutton so maybe hamburger will be an upgrade, though.

I know people keep saying that Torts is gonna magically make them good defensively... but remember the lineup we're talking about here. They'd be a poopty defensive team even with Coots and Ellis.

Coaching can only do so much. Q, Babs, Trotz, AV, Hitch, Sutter... they've all had lost seasons because they didn't have enough good players to work with. I don't think it's gonna be any different this year for Torts.



Well then they're good and (frank)ed
- Tomahawk

I don’t think the point of Torts is to make the team better. The point is for the Flyers to look like they want the team to be better. Just like the off-season moves. They spent money like they were trying to improve the team without actually improving the team. Maybe this is tanking disguised as incompetence? Chuck is an evil genius. How else do you explain the Ellis situation?

Yep! Can't make filet mignon out of hamburger. Last year was gamey old mutton so maybe hamburger will be an upgrade, though.

- Letterkenney

Mutton is being generous. Last season was more like expired tempeh.

The only way they make it back to hamburger is if Carter Hart wins the Hart Trophy. Filet is completely out of the question.

I am excited for DeAngelo because like him or not he is a hockey player and oozes confidence in his abilities. I am hoping he can elevate Provorov's game from an offensive standpoint. They should both log big minutes. TDA is fearless and love his confidence, I just hope Torts gets the most out of him because you know Torts is going to make him or break him.
Funny thing, what do Couturier, Ellis, Patrick, Morin, Farabee and Hart to a degree, I mean there is no team in the NHL that has suffered the misfortune of injuries to high draft picks or trade acquisitions. Mind boggling.

Yep! Can't make filet mignon out of hamburger. Last year was gamey old mutton so maybe hamburger will be an upgrade, though.

- Letterkenney

I will settle for a good beef dip with a good au jus sauce

I know people keep saying that Torts is gonna magically make them good defensively... but remember the lineup we're talking about here. They'd be a poopty defensive team even with Coots and Ellis.

Coaching can only do so much. Q, Babs, Trotz, AV, Hitch, Sutter... they've all had lost seasons because they didn't have enough good players to work with. I don't think it's gonna be any different this year for Torts.



Well then they're good and (frank)ed
- Tomahawk

Torts will make a difference simply because he will not tolerate the same mistakes over and over again. Laughton and Konecny at one time would draw a hooking or high stick penalty a couple times again or more. Laughton used to drive me crazy and AV kept putting back out there. Torts will not let this happen imo

Mutton is being generous. Last season was more like expired tempeh.

The only way they make it back to hamburger is if Carter Hart wins the Hart Trophy. Filet is completely out of the question.


- Tomahawk

I am excited for DeAngelo because like him or not he is a hockey player and oozes confidence in his abilities. I am hoping he can elevate Provorov's game from an offensive standpoint. They should both log big minutes. TDA is fearless and love his confidence, I just hope Torts gets the most out of him because you know Torts is going to make him or break him.
Funny thing, what do Couturier, Ellis, Patrick, Morin, Farabee and Hart to a degree, I mean there is no team in the NHL that has suffered the misfortune of injuries to high draft picks or trade acquisitions. Mind boggling.
- joegreif17

At least Deangelo wants to play for this team

I know people keep saying that Torts is gonna magically make them good defensively... but remember the lineup we're talking about here. They'd be a poopty defensive team even with Coots and Ellis.

Coaching can only do so much. Q, Babs, Trotz, AV, Hitch, Sutter... they've all had lost seasons because they didn't have enough good players to work with. I don't think it's gonna be any different this year for Torts.



Well then they're good and (frank)ed
- Tomahawk

The Flyers will miss Ellis and Couturier (if he is indeed out for a significant length of time), but to say the Flyers don't have good players is really a big exaggeration! Firstly Carter Hart is a competent goalie. Secondly, DeAngelo, Provorov, Sanheim and Risto, Braun and York are good players, maybe not elite players, but surely good enough to execute a good defensive system. Finally the Flyers will have a nice blend of younger payers and veterans up front that will buy into Tort's system. The Flyers were 27th in the league defensively last season, they will be significantly better this season, at least middle of the pack which would be a significant improvement.

Yes, it will come down to special teams and yes if we go by last year we will be hosed. But again, I expect the Flyers will be a few ticks higher than the 75% they were on the PK last year, and if some of the younger snipers can make the roster, I would expect the Flyers will have a better PP than the 12% they had last year. In the end, it will not be close to good enough, but hopefully something to build on while the Flyers are once again picking in the top 10 of the draft.

Torts will make a difference simply because he will not tolerate the same mistakes over and over again. Laughton and Konecny at one time would draw a hooking or high stick penalty a couple times again or more. Laughton used to drive me crazy and AV kept putting back out there. Torts will not let this happen imo
- joegreif17

What's he gonna do... bench guys? Then who's he gonna play? MacEwen, Connouton and Deslauriers? Some random Phantoms that will make even more mistakes?

The threat of losing playing time really loses its teeth when players know there's no competition behind them.

As others have said, no pucks were on the ice, but Provorov stood out from a conditioning standpoint. I guess the dudes a beast in the off-season.

I also read that MacEwen handled the skating well too. Didn't get as winded quickly as some of the others.
- hockeylover

Well I’m hoping it makes a positive impact.

I’m gonna go on record of saying now, I’ll forgive the Deslauriers signing if he can skate as well as I’ve heard. Can forcheck hard. He doesn’t have to defend perfectly but be competent at it. I’m gonna try to have an open mind about him.

The Flyers will miss Ellis and Couturier (if he is indeed out for a significant length of time), but to say the Flyers don't have good players is really a big exaggeration! Firstly Carter Hart is a competent goalie. Secondly, DeAngelo, Provorov, Sanheim and Risto, Braun and York are good players, maybe not elite players, but surely good enough to execute a good defensive system. Finally the Flyers will have a nice blend of younger payers and veterans up front that will buy into Tort's system. The Flyers were 27th in the league defensively last season, they will be significantly better this season, at least middle of the pack which would be a significant improvement.

Yes, it will come down to special teams and yes if we go by last year we will be hosed. But again, I expect the Flyers will be a few ticks higher than the 75% they were on the PK last year, and if some of the younger snipers can make the roster, I would expect the Flyers will have a better PP than the 12% they had last year. In the end, it will not be close to good enough, but hopefully something to build on and the Flyers are once again picking in the top 10 of the draft.
- jd250

How can they miss Ellis when they never had him?

Look at the Flyers center depth. That is piss poor. This is just not a good team.

The Flyers will miss Ellis and Couturier (if he is indeed out for a significant length of time), but to say the Flyers don't have good players is really a big exaggeration! Firstly Carter Hart is a competent goalie. Secondly, DeAngelo, Provorov, Sanheim and Risto, Braun and York are good players, maybe not elite players, but surely good enough to execute a good defensive system. Finally the Flyers will have a nice blend of younger payers and veterans up front that will buy into Tort's system. The Flyers were 27th in the league defensively last season, they will be significantly better this season, at least middle of the pack which would be a significant improvement.

Yes, it will come down to special teams and yes if we go by last year we will be hosed. But again, I expect the Flyers will be a few ticks higher than the 75% they were on the PK last year, and if some of the younger snipers can make the roster, I would expect the Flyers will have a better PP than the 12% they had last year. In the end, it will not be close to good enough, but hopefully something to build on and the Flyers are once again picking in the top 10 of the draft.
- jd250

I love your optimism and that is how this team need to feel about themselves. If they can buy into Torts system and stay healthy it is possible to be better than most predictions. However they will not be a playoff team no matter how you slice it. They key it an improved season will come down to staying healthy, Carter Hart to rebound and be the goalie we all thought he was going to be. Breakout season for somebody like Farabee who likely has the most potential of all they young forwards. Hoping Cam York can build on his limited games last year where he looked good on the pp unit. I know tanking is what many wish for to get a top pick but I never want to show that kind of management to my team, we need to strive to be the best always.

What's he gonna do... bench guys? Then who's he gonna play? MacEwen, Connouton and Deslauriers? Some random Phantoms that will make even more mistakes?

The threat of losing playing time really loses its teeth when players know there's no competition behind them.
- Tomahawk

I get what your saying but Torts does not care who you are. If you not pulling your weight he will find somebody that will. I remember him putting the Sedin twins on the fourth line when he felt they were not up to par. Did you ever think that may have been the turning point for the Sedins? Obviously the sisters and many fans were upset but knowing Torts there was a reason for this demotion. It is going to be interesting and I trust Torts simply because he demands work ethic and team play comes first.

The Flyers were 27th in the league defensively last season, they will be significantly better this season, at least middle of the pack which would be a significant improvement.
- jd250

You sound pretty confident about this.

The Flyers have a below average starting goalie who's never played more than 45 games in a season. There is no NHL backup behind him. Those two factors alone probably preclude any sort of major improvement in goals against.

I fully expect them to be bottom-10 defensively, if not bottom-5.

I know people keep saying that Torts is gonna magically make them good defensively... but remember the lineup we're talking about here. They'd be a poopty defensive team even with Coots and Ellis.

Coaching can only do so much. Q, Babs, Trotz, AV, Hitch, Sutter... they've all had lost seasons because they didn't have enough good players to work with. I don't think it's gonna be any different this year for Torts.



Well then they're good and (frank)ed
- Tomahawk

Saying they will be "better" defensively and saying they will be "good" defensively are two VERY different things.

Saying they will be "better" defensively and saying they will be "good" defensively are two VERY different things.
- MBFlyerfan

Even "better" could be a stretch with the lineup we have today.

According to Joe Nardone, its a horrible Hextall contract
- THE BLACK HAND

Well he’s barely a number 4 dman making 6.5 w term, but sure it’s a great contract.

Can’t play the pp and honestly was avg to bad at 5 on 5 and on the kill. I hated Braun with him cause Provy must play w a puck mover.

I believe in him as a warrior, but he gets in his own head and has had the yips for over a season now. Really closer to two.

I don’t give a crap who signed him. Right now it’s a bad contract for a guy I can’t trust on the ice up a goal w a min left and for whatever reason is now mostly ineffective on the pp.

We also are kinda finding out he might have some leadership issues to boot, but sure it’s a great contract.

Let’s just keep having the same discussion over and over again…. I get it provy is Eddie Shore and Risto sucks. It’s nonsense. Pay your money go to the games and then tell me Provys got a good contract.