When has this been the case?

TB had

Hedman
Mcdoanough
Sergachev

down the left side for years, it doesn't matter.
- Santo_44

Sergachev is the 2nd pairing guy and yes… he’s strong offensively but he’s far better than Sandin is defensively tbh

I think you are taking pairings too seriously.

TB has 3 of their best D on the left side.

its about minutes, PP,PK roles.

Injuries happen.

Of course in a perfect world you have a perfect even LS/RS D and their skill sets...its not realistic, and you do not trade one away because of it.

Example:TB back to back to back cup finalists
- Santo_44

I know what you’re saying but even Sergachev’s +/- dropped when he was put into a true second pairing roll (last couple of years)

Haribo gummies. First they control your mind. Then they destroy your body.

Have you seen how crazy Lego is these days? I'm helping a lady friend build a pirate ship. It's pretty intense man.

Finally, it's become clear to me that the Toronto Maple Leafs will win the Stanley Cup this year. I've felt that in the past, but this time I know it, know what I'm sayin', know what I'm sayin'? I just know.

Really think that the moment Dubas left his contract in limbo, that option B was in place.

Sandin and Robertson are very decent players but they are really not the pieces the team needs at this point.

For me. the goalie tandem sends shivers down my back. I wont be shocked if Samsonov is the key piece in the end.

And until that second line has the missing link to compliment 91 and 88, well, we're back to ground zero at season's end.

But, what would a Leaf fan know.
- Leafsmart

When it comes to Sandin and Robertson that’s how I’m feeling as well. Good players but not needed atm.

Second line depends on JT and if his skating picks up… if so I hope that Dubas essentially finds the same player as Kerfoot just at a cheaper price.

As for the goalies I’d rather not talk about it lol

He’d land a 4th and nothing more.

Is he talented? Yes. But with the other young guys signing for around 1.5 who have more experience in the NHL he’s not going to get much. He’s also going to be nothing more than the 7th for the next two years. Couple that with the fact that he’ll never be top 4 until Rielly starts to dwindle with the leafs I can see why he’s at the point where he’s hoping for a trade.
- Dozzer

I think he could get more than that, but I do feel like Dubas won't move him because he wants him to stay in Toronto

Really think that the moment Dubas left his contract in limbo, that option B was in place.

Sandin and Robertson are very decent players but they are really not the pieces the team needs at this point.

For me. the goalie tandem sends shivers down my back. I wont be shocked if Samsonov is the key piece in the end.

And until that second line has the missing link to compliment 91 and 88, well, we're back to ground zero at season's end.

But, what would a Leaf fan know.
- Leafsmart

I agree... Kerfoot is miscast on the 2nd line.. They need a left winger that can play a physical style and help battle along the boards to take some of the pressure off of Tavares.. It's not Nylander and Kerfoot falls every time someone comes close to him

Haribo gummies. First they control your mind. Then they destroy your body.

Have you seen how crazy Lego is these days? I'm helping a lady friend build a pirate ship. It's pretty intense man.

Finally, it's become clear to me that the Toronto Maple Leafs will win the Stanley Cup this year. I've felt that in the past, but this time I know it, know what I'm sayin', know what I'm sayin'? I just know.
- Zezel

It's a shame, because the magic of Lego is (was?) that you could spill a barrel of it on the floor, and kids could spend hours making their own stuff.

Now it seems like everything is a kit with very specialized pieces, where the object is to build it exactly according to instructions.

Now if you'll excuse me, there's a cloud I need to yell at...

It's a shame, because the magic of Lego is (was?) that you could spill a barrel of it on the floor, and kids could spend hours making their own stuff.

Now it seems like everything is a kit with very specialized pieces, where the object is to build it exactly according to instructions.

Now if you'll excuse me, there's a cloud I need to yell at...
- Atomic Wedgie

you're right.. Does that make us sad? I remember the days when we'd each build our own things.. Now it's all specialized pieces

I think he could get more than that, but I do feel like Dubas won't move him because he wants him to stay in Toronto
- PatC80

Then why resign Giordano?

Truth is if Dubas wants him to stay he also doesn’t see him ready to be a primary guy. Maybe he does see him as one of the guys to lean on 2-3 years from now but for a guy drafted in 2018 (which is why he won’t get much, 4 years as a pro and still not a regular NHL player) and getting no NHL time it also means Dubas doesn’t see him being capable enough to play for a cup contender. If I was the player I’d feel a bit stung by that and would no longer want to be with the team… hence… wait hopefull the GM is just waiting til another team suffers an injury on the left side and get them to overpay for him.

Long story short is I do see Dubas’ opinion, Sandin is a good player, but forcing a guy to wait til year 6 or 7 of his pro career to be a regular NHLer and relied on then is a tough sell to the kid. I could see him wanting out at this point unless he’s essentially given the NHL role to lose. Which he does not have currently.

Sergachev is the 2nd pairing guy and yes… he’s strong offensively but he’s far better than Sandin is defensively tbh
- Dozzer

I am saying they had 3 top 4 level d and all on their left side. No reason why Leafs can't do the same.

Then why resign Giordano?

Truth is if Dubas wants him to stay he also doesn’t see him ready to be a primary guy. Maybe he does see him as one of the guys to lean on 2-3 years from now but for a guy drafted in 2018 (which is why he won’t get much, 4 years as a pro and still not a regular NHL player) and getting no NHL time it also means Dubas doesn’t see him being capable enough to play for a cup contender. If I was the player I’d feel a bit stung by that and would no longer want to be with the team… hence… wait hopefull the GM is just waiting til another team suffers an injury on the left side and get them to overpay for him.

Long story short is I do see Dubas’ opinion, Sandin is a good player, but forcing a guy to wait til year 6 or 7 of his pro career to be a regular NHLer and relied on then is a tough sell to the kid. I could see him wanting out at this point unless he’s essentially given the NHL role to lose. Which he does not have currently.
- Dozzer

Because he was willing to sign for 800K

Then why resign Giordano?

Truth is if Dubas wants him to stay he also doesn’t see him ready to be a primary guy. Maybe he does see him as one of the guys to lean on 2-3 years from now but for a guy drafted in 2018 (which is why he won’t get much, 4 years as a pro and still not a regular NHL player) and getting no NHL time it also means Dubas doesn’t see him being capable enough to play for a cup contender. If I was the player I’d feel a bit stung by that and would no longer want to be with the team… hence… wait hopefull the GM is just waiting til another team suffers an injury on the left side and get them to overpay for him.

Long story short is I do see Dubas’ opinion, Sandin is a good player, but forcing a guy to wait til year 6 or 7 of his pro career to be a regular NHLer and relied on then is a tough sell to the kid. I could see him wanting out at this point unless he’s essentially given the NHL role to lose. Which he does not have currently.
- Dozzer

How could you not keep Gio for $800K? The other thing is that people forget just how bad Muzzin was for most of the year. It was wonderful that he pulled himself together for the playoffs but you’re not going to be able to run him out for 82 games and expect much out of him come playoff time.

Sandin has a lot of upside and needs regular playing time for it to develop. He’s going to be very good. I’m not worried what number you assign to his pairing. I’d prefer he be very good on the Leafs.

When it comes to Sandin and Robertson that’s how I’m feeling as well. Good players but not needed atm.

Second line depends on JT and if his skating picks up… if so I hope that Dubas essentially finds the same player as Kerfoot just at a cheaper price.

As for the goalies I’d rather not talk about it lol
- Dozzer

Willie’s going to be on the 3rd line

Then why resign Giordano?

Truth is if Dubas wants him to stay he also doesn’t see him ready to be a primary guy. Maybe he does see him as one of the guys to lean on 2-3 years from now but for a guy drafted in 2018 (which is why he won’t get much, 4 years as a pro and still not a regular NHL player) and getting no NHL time it also means Dubas doesn’t see him being capable enough to play for a cup contender. If I was the player I’d feel a bit stung by that and would no longer want to be with the team… hence… wait hopefull the GM is just waiting til another team suffers an injury on the left side and get them to overpay for him.

Long story short is I do see Dubas’ opinion, Sandin is a good player, but forcing a guy to wait til year 6 or 7 of his pro career to be a regular NHLer and relied on then is a tough sell to the kid. I could see him wanting out at this point unless he’s essentially given the NHL role to lose. Which he does not have currently.
- Dozzer

I think they re-signed Giordano because he's still a better option than Sandin at this point of their careers. I get Sandin's side as well, but he's still only 22 and on a really deep team, if what he wants is ice time, he'll have to go to a weaker team

I am saying they had 3 top 4 level d and all on their left side. No reason why Leafs can't do the same.
- Santo_44

Ok let me be clear. I’m talking about Keefe’s approach here.

His second pairing guys are primarily shutdown players…. Hence why Sandin will never make that pairing.

Due to Keefe’s approach, not my opinion.

I like Sandin but I also recognize that he’s defensively weak/young still.

Because he was willing to sign for 800K
- Santo_44

So essentially boot Sandin out of the lineup because Gio is coming in cheap?

How could you not keep Gio for $800K? The other thing is that people forget just how bad Muzzin was for most of the year. It was wonderful that he pulled himself together for the playoffs but you’re not going to be able to run him out for 82 games and expect much out of him come playoff time.

Sandin has a lot of upside and needs regular playing time for it to develop. He’s going to be very good. I’m not worried what number you assign to his pairing. I’d prefer he be very good on the Leafs.
- Canada Cup

Muzzin had an injury riddled season hence why he didn’t play well… as soon as that rust started coming off finally was around playoff time and it showed.

As for Sandin he won’t be playing hence the problem.

Willie’s going to be on the 3rd line
- Canada Cup

Maybe not every game but there’s going to be at least some lol

It's a shame, because the magic of Lego is (was?) that you could spill a barrel of it on the floor, and kids could spend hours making their own stuff.

Now it seems like everything is a kit with very specialized pieces, where the object is to build it exactly according to instructions.

Now if you'll excuse me, there's a cloud I need to yell at...
- Atomic Wedgie

There's a reality show built around lego. Those people make incredible things with those specialized pieces. It still has that feel, however if you want to just build a kit that your kids can then play with, it makes sense. My daughter loved her lego sets for such things.

I think they re-signed Giordano because he's still a better option than Sandin at this point of their careers. I get Sandin's side as well, but he's still only 22 and on a really deep team, if what he wants is ice time, he'll have to go to a weaker team
- PatC80

Or play for the marlies… hence the problem.

Very well stated by the way.

Like I said I like Sandin I just don’t see where he fits under Dubas/Keefe anymore.

So essentially boot Sandin out of the lineup because Gio is coming in cheap?
- Dozzer

I suspect Dubas had an idea that Sandin contracts might be iffy so signing Gio to ensure they still had a competent 6 core (Holl not withstanding). It's proved having that depth was a good idea.

How could you not keep Gio for $800K? The other thing is that people forget just how bad Muzzin was for most of the year. It was wonderful that he pulled himself together for the playoffs but you’re not going to be able to run him out for 82 games and expect much out of him come playoff time.

Sandin has a lot of upside and needs regular playing time for it to develop. He’s going to be very good. I’m not worried what number you assign to his pairing. I’d prefer he be very good on the Leafs.
- Canada Cup

I get that but right now, at this stage of his career Sandin is a bottom pairing guy. I don't think Sandin will be traded because he does have a lot of upside, but he's got to wait for an injury and when Muzzin does get injured, I think Gio and Lily will get more ice time over Sandin.

At this time, Sandin is basically Travis Dermott

Or play for the marlies… hence the problem.

Very well stated by the way.

Like I said I like Sandin I just don’t see where he fits under Dubas/Keefe anymore.
- Dozzer

It's what you said earlier.. I think it's all media driven.

Similar to the talk in July if the Leafs could afford Bunting's next contract..

I suspect Dubas had an idea that Sandin contracts might be iffy so signing Gio to ensure they still had a competent 6 core (Holl not withstanding). It's proved having that depth was a good idea.
- Aaron_85

That’s something that is very possibly true… my question would simply be “why two years!” tho

Maybe…..

They need someone to keep Spezza company in a couple years and Gio hasn’t played enough games with the leafs to become office worthy yet lol

It's what you said earlier.. I think it's all media driven.

Similar to the talk in July if the Leafs could afford Bunting's next contract..
- PatC80

Oh what they stretch for sometimes is amazing lol

Wait til next summer… imagine the “Muzzin needs to be traded” amplification lol

Or “Muzzin needs to be resigned” if he has a great season lol