I don't know what cut off you're using or what stats you're using, but out of all shortstops in the major leagues who have played more than 50 games at short, there are 35 players who qualify.

- Bo's .964 fielding percentage is 30th.
- His defensive runs saved / year is -12, which is 31st.
- His defensive plus/minus is -11, which is 33rd.

He has been great at the plate which is awesome. But he's a terrible shortstop. One of the worst in the entire league and he literally costs us runs by playing there. We don't need to lie to ourselves because we like his bat. He has well below average range and an observably terrible arm. I think Bo's future is better suited at 2nd.
- Monkeypunk

Leaders: Fielding Pct by Shortstop
Rank Name Team Stats
1 Xander Bogaerts Bos .982 ( 500/509 )
2 Elvis Andrus CWS .981 ( 465/474 )
3 Carlos Correa Min .981 ( 411/419 )
4 Andrew Velazquez LAA .979 ( 370/378 )
5 Amed Rosario Cle .975 ( 430/441 )
6 J.P. Crawford Sea .971 ( 432/445 )
7 Corey Seager Tex .970 ( 509/525 )
8 Jorge Mateo Bal .969 ( 499/515 )
9 Isiah Kiner-Falefa NYY .968 ( 425/439 )
10 Jeremy Peña Hou .967 ( 436/451 )
11 Bo Bichette Tor .965 ( 463/480 )
12 Javier Báez Det .956

Off to work…have a nice day fellas

I believe the light is blue for Leaf trades or signings.


and they shouldn't trade Holl because they won't get anything much for him - and he's got a relatively low CAP hit.

trade Sandin for a younger defenseman with some size who can replace Muzzin ... or a for a right side D-man who would allow you to upgrade the right side without losing much on the left (because Sandin is currently low man on the totem pole LHD)

possible examples would be Habs - who lack seemingly any offensive defenseman... or the Islanders.
- BorjeFan4Ever

Right now - with no moves at all - if the Leafs were delighted by ZAR and signed him to a $900k deal, they could make no trades and carry a 12F, 6D, 2G lineup into the season and be $19k under the cap ceiling. This would presume that Simmonds, Clifford and Anderson are waived, and Sandin remains unsigned. (note, I did edit this when I realized that the Leafs have 212k in carryover bonus payments; originally I thought we could offer ZAR up to $1m).

I would still sign Subban and trade Holl. I think you'd get $1m in savings on that deal which would let you sign ZAR. That gives us about $1m to offer Sandin on a 1 year deal - assuming we're still willing to waive Clifford, Simmonds and Anderson.

This goes with the Kerfoot is staying option.

If they move Kerfoot, the flexibility is pretty nice - we could keep the $1.4x2 offer on the table for Sandin, sign ZAR and even keep Simmonds or Anderson up on the roster if we wanted to - while managing to accrue cap space for deadline moves.

We'd miss Kerfoot if we traded him. I don't think we think we would, but given the relative lack of options on the left side, and his speed and intelligence in the game, we'd probably notice his absence. I will absolutely say I'm not a fan of his game. His weak on the puck, hit way too hard way too often creating momentum swings against us, and his defensive play isn't good enough to help that 2nd line. Those complaints aside, he might be the best option we have.

Leaders: Fielding Pct by Shortstop
Rank Name Team Stats
1 Xander Bogaerts Bos .982 ( 500/509 )
2 Elvis Andrus CWS .981 ( 465/474 )
3 Carlos Correa Min .981 ( 411/419 )
4 Andrew Velazquez LAA .979 ( 370/378 )
5 Amed Rosario Cle .975 ( 430/441 )
6 J.P. Crawford Sea .971 ( 432/445 )
7 Corey Seager Tex .970 ( 509/525 )
8 Jorge Mateo Bal .969 ( 499/515 )
9 Isiah Kiner-Falefa NYY .968 ( 425/439 )
10 Jeremy Peña Hou .967 ( 436/451 )
11 Bo Bichette Tor .965 ( 463/480 )
12 Javier Báez Det .956

Off to work…have a nice day fellas
- mr.sir

You're looking AL only. Got it. Have a good day.

You're looking AL only. Got it. Have a good day.
- Monkeypunk

11th best defensive SS in the AL is not something to brag about. There are only 15 teams in the American League.. So, he's bottom 5 for starting SS in the AL..

Maybe a move to 2B is in his future

So what does everyone think about the advertising on the jerseys?🤮
- .HOHO.

Remember when we were all furious with ads on the boards?

When they announced the ads on the helmets last year, many of us yelled at clouds for a few weeks.

It didn't bother me at all.

Quite frankly, I think that the companies paying for it won't get their money's worth, but that's probably my opinion on most advertising.

Leaders: Fielding Pct by Shortstop
Rank Name Team Stats
1 Xander Bogaerts Bos .982 ( 500/509 )
2 Elvis Andrus CWS .981 ( 465/474 )
3 Carlos Correa Min .981 ( 411/419 )
4 Andrew Velazquez LAA .979 ( 370/378 )
5 Amed Rosario Cle .975 ( 430/441 )
6 J.P. Crawford Sea .971 ( 432/445 )
7 Corey Seager Tex .970 ( 509/525 )
8 Jorge Mateo Bal .969 ( 499/515 )
9 Isiah Kiner-Falefa NYY .968 ( 425/439 )
10 Jeremy Peña Hou .967 ( 436/451 )
11 Bo Bichette Tor .965 ( 463/480 )
12 Javier Báez Det .956

Off to work…have a nice day fellas
- mr.sir

Not a huge baseball fan anymore, but I did read the book Moneyball.

Does Fielding % by SS really matter?

So what does everyone think about the advertising on the jerseys?🤮
- .HOHO.

Hate it.
But such is life.
Money rules the world

11th best defensive SS in the AL is not something to brag about. There are only 15 teams in the American League.. So, he's bottom 5 for starting SS in the AL..

Maybe a move to 2B is in his future
- PatC80

Or maybe next year when starts his third full year in the majors he gets a bit better and the year after that a bit better again.

The difference between Bo’s fielding % and the # 5 guy is .965 to .971. He’s hit 6 HRs this year and Bo has been carrying the Jays.

Not a huge baseball fan anymore, but I did read the book Moneyball.

Does Fielding % by SS really matter?
- Atomic Wedgie

For a second year SS? Apparently

Not a huge baseball fan anymore, but I did read the book Moneyball.

Does Fielding % by SS really matter?
- Atomic Wedgie

Unless the pitching staff can get 27 strikeouts facing the minimum number of batters, which is 27, you're going to need play defense. So, I think defense is important

Or maybe next year when starts his third full year in the majors he gets a bit better and the year after that a bit better again.

The difference between Bo’s fielding % and the # 5 guy is .965 to .971. He’s hit 6 HRs this year and Bo has been carrying the Jays.
- Canada Cup

Bo is on a great run lately, but before that he was struggling at the plate.. I don't think he should be traded.. I think he'll be a Jay for a long time, but he does need to work on his defense

Crap, Jays scratch Monoah from game 1 of double header.
That's gonna hurt the results.

Or maybe next year when starts his third full year in the majors he gets a bit better and the year after that a bit better again.

The difference between Bo’s fielding % and the # 5 guy is .965 to .971. He’s hit 6 HRs this year and Bo has been carrying the Jays.
- Canada Cup

Noting that fielding percentage is but one aspect of fielding. How many errors are scored hits these days because a fielder is slow getting there or his throw is weak or slightly offline where a smoothly fielded ball with a strong throw records an out? How many double plays aren't turned because the player's inability to get to or cleanly pick up a ball?

Bo has a lot of things to get better at, if I'm being blunt. Can he? Sure. He's only 24. I don't have a ton of faith in it, but there are baseball people out there who would know far better than I!

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
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40m
Hearing a Jordan Kyrou extension is nearing in STL. Not sure of exact terms, but sounds somewhat similar to extension Robert Thomas signed earlier in summer (8x$8.125M)

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Man, there's been a lot of $$$ thrown around lately to guys that I really can't believe are getting it.

Not a huge baseball fan anymore, but I did read the book Moneyball.

Does Fielding % by SS really matter?
- Atomic Wedgie

Billy Beane didn't feel that fielding mattered. He has won a grand total of 0 World Series. Some of the teams that are paying attention to defense are winning with it - like Tampa Bay.

I, personally, think defense matters a great deal.

If we draw a parallel to hockey, Nylander scores goals, but his defense is so poor that sometimes you have to ask if what he's providing offensively is better than what he gives up defensively.

Don't know if Rodrigues would sign here but Rodrigues at 2M and trading Kerfoot would have made sense.

I also believe if they trade Kerfoot now they get way less than market value.

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
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40m
Hearing a Jordan Kyrou extension is nearing in STL. Not sure of exact terms, but sounds somewhat similar to extension Robert Thomas signed earlier in summer (8x$8.125M)

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Man, there's been a lot of $$$ thrown around lately to guys that I really can't believe are getting it.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Cap should be going up significantly

Flat cap era is over I think this is the norm for any long term contract

I believe the light is blue for Leaf trades or signings.


and they shouldn't trade Holl because they won't get anything much for him - and he's got a relatively low CAP hit.

trade Sandin for a younger defenseman with some size who can replace Muzzin ... or a for a right side D-man who would allow you to upgrade the right side without losing much on the left (because Sandin is currently low man on the totem pole LHD)

possible examples would be Habs - who lack seemingly any offensive defenseman... or the Islanders.
- BorjeFan4Ever

That's an incredibly horrible reason to not trade him.

You trade Holl the very second another team is stupid enough to want him. That, in and of itself, is a net-positive for the Leafs.

Don't know if Rodrigues would sign here but Rodrigues at 2M and trading Kerfoot would have made sense.

I also believe if they trade Kerfoot now they get way less than market value.
- Santo_44

Rodrigues signed with Colorado

Bo’s ego doesn’t set the lineup.
- Canada Cup

Bo's ego may affect his tenure with this team if he can't accept a position shift.

Cap should be going up significantly

Flat cap era is over I think this is the norm for any long term contract
- Santo_44

Decent players are still getting really good players money. It's insane, regardless of the CAP going up.

Decent players are still getting really good players money. It's insane, regardless of the CAP going up.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Well 8M dollars will be 9M dollars in just a few years.

So not so insane considering the last 3 years cap hasn't changed at all.

Unless the pitching staff can get 27 strikeouts facing the minimum number of batters, which is 27, you're going to need play defense. So, I think defense is important
- PatC80

https://www.espn.com/mlb/...qualified/true/order/true

Bo is 22 of 22 in terms of dWAR for qualified SS. His -0.5 is 0.4 lower than #21 on the list.

Well 8M dollars will be 9M dollars in just a few years.

So not so insane considering the last 3 years cap hasn't changed at all.
- Santo_44

Decent players getting overpaid is the same regardless of what the CAP is at.

Billy Beane didn't feel that fielding mattered. He has won a grand total of 0 World Series. Some of the teams that are paying attention to defense are winning with it - like Tampa Bay.

I, personally, think defense matters a great deal.

If we draw a parallel to hockey, Nylander scores goals, but his defense is so poor that sometimes you have to ask if what he's providing offensively is better than what he gives up defensively.
- Monkeypunk

the stat fielding % doesnt mean a lot, when you have Defensive runs saved and Outs above average.