But nobody gives credit to Hextall for signing him last year....
- THE BLACK HAND

It was a very no to low risk signing. EV is an NHL player. He peaked early when they needed it. A contending team like the pens needs cheap guys like that to contribute. Good move no doubt as he helped. I do not think it was this great find. Just like Brassard was a solid add for Chuck.

I don’t think it would be smart to play Cates ahead of JvR…or play Deslauriers ahead of anyone.
- SuperSchennBros

Why?

You don’t do that role and continue to play in the the NHL with a limited amount of skill unless your the hardest worker on the team. I’m not in love with the signing but I get it it….he’s intense, he’s tough and unlike a lot of guys that have come through here the last few years he knows his (frank)ing roll. The Flyers lack elite talent…ND in no way answered that issue….but they also lack other intangibles that ND was probably signed for….
- landros 2

I agree, i dont like the $ or term, but a strong locker room guy for sure.....If you believe in the culture thing.

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I get the signing to, but it doesn't mean I don't hate it. I understand the Flyers want to build an identity, one that matches what I believe is now an antiquated view of the people of Philadelphia. You have heard it a hundred times, Philly is made up of blue collar workers that appreciate a tough team that stands up and over-achieves. Its a comforting and familiar identity but not one that I believe accurately represents the city any longer, and certainly not one that I think can win in today's NHL. The path for the Flyers after the past two seasons was to stock up for the 2023 draft, accumulate the high-end talent the franchise desperately needs to begin to build a consistent winner here. Torts could certainly be part of this, teaching these young players how to play the right way, and then eventually, a few years down the road that is the time to augment these high end young and dynamic players with a ND and Tony DeAngelo type of player. But not now, and not even next year. Sure, it will be fun to watch ND and Tony slam an opposing player, but in the end, when they are in the box all they will be doing is watching the other team, who has those high end players, scoring goals on their resulting PP, nothing more!
- jd250

To properly load up for the 2023 draft they need their roster players close to max value, coming out of last season, no one on the team had even close to peak value. CF put himself in this situation and injury luck, but he needs a season that walks the line, finishing bottom 10 but raising the stock of their roster players. That will open up options to move forward

Why?
- furio16

If you aren’t going to play him to up his trade value, you may have well have bought him out two months ago. JvR in my mind has a pretty useful and established role on this team or any. Even when he gets scratched or pushed back in the line up, he still manages to lead the team in power play goals. Just my opinion, I’m not saying I’m 100% right within my belief.

If you aren’t going to play him to up his trade value, you may have well have bought him out two months ago. JvR in my mind has a pretty useful and established role on this team or any. Even when he gets scratched or pushed back in the line up, he still manages to lead the team in power play goals. Just my opinion, I’m not saying I’m 100% right within my belief.
- SuperSchennBros

JVR has no future with the Flyers.

So the question becomes: Is it more important for the Flyers future to develop Cates or whomever) under Torts at the NHL level or is it more important to hope to get 3rd round pick or later at the deadline for JVR?

If you aren’t going to play him to up his trade value, you may have well have bought him out two months ago. JvR in my mind has a pretty useful and established role on this team or any. Even when he gets scratched or pushed back in the line up, he still manages to lead the team in power play goals. Just my opinion, I’m not saying I’m 100% right within my belief.
- SuperSchennBros

you play him and give him the best line-mates you can and hope for a career year

JVR has no future with the Flyers.

So the question becomes: Is it more important for the Flyers future to develop Cates or whomever) under Torts at the NHL level or is it more important to hope to get 3rd round pick or later at the deadline for JVR?
- furio16

Of course JvR has no future here but sitting him flies in the face of the point most have made all summer. Don’t buyout JvR so you can get the most you can get for him as a rental at the trade deadline. Alright, well I guess that would mean playing him.

In the case of Noah Cates, in a perfect world we don’t sign Deslauriers and maybe we have a fourth line that features Cates and Tanner Laczynski so both can develop and possibly move up in the line up but I’m not running the team, Fletcher is.

you play him and give him the best line-mates you can and hope for a career year
- wcorvette

If you’re talking about JvR, I agree. If Cates is that good, he’ll find his way into the line up without hurting JvR’s worth in a deal.

you play him and give him the best line-mates you can and hope for a career year
- wcorvette

I do not think the value for JVR is going to change much if at all. No matter if he plays his usual way or even drops off a little. Now can a career year change that? Possible but what are the chances?

Of course JvR has no future here but sitting him flies in the face of the point most have made all summer. Don’t buyout JvR so you can get the most you can get for him as a rental at the trade deadline. Alright, well I guess that would mean playing him.

In the case of Noah Cates, in a perfect world we don’t sign Deslauriers and maybe we have a fourth line that features Cates and Tanner Laczynski so both can develop and possibly move up in the line up but I’m not running the team, Fletcher is.
- SuperSchennBros

I rather play the younger guys than worry about a mid rd pick from JVR. That is just me.

I rather play the younger guys than worry about a mid rd pick from JVR. That is just me.
- furio16

100%, his value is not going to change much. Folks talking about a career year is pretty laughable

Flyers propaganda machine continues to be out in full force promoting Torts as the main attraction.

I wonder what the reason for that is.

Pathetic fake news.

DLo shouldn’t be a big negative if he plays to his strengths. He plays with passion, finishes his checks and takes a better player off the ice when he fights. DLo is effective against other 4th lines. Players that aren’t finishers and have to have their head on a swivel so they can try to avoid getting crushed. DLo gets exposed when the opposition changes to get a mismatch against him. DLo defending against MacKinnon doesn’t end well.

DLo shouldn’t be a big negative if he plays to his strengths. He plays with passion, finishes his checks and takes a better player off the ice when he fights. DLo is effective against other 4th lines. Players that aren’t finishers and have to have their head on a swivel so they can try to avoid getting crushed. DLo gets exposed when the opposition changes to get a mismatch against him. DLo defending against MacKinnon doesn’t end well.
- Minnyhock

Imagine an organization in 2022 being able to get its fanbase to somehow try to idolize fourth line goons, or a team that’s going to somehow win games by just out working opponents night, after night.

What idiots believe this crap? It’s as if there is a belief that people don’t see the exciting stars on every other team in the league, or the way teams like Colorado play the game.

Whatever STH support the current trajectory need to be laughed at nightly. Whatever men sit in those seats cheering this on, are short a few brain cells.

If you’re talking about JvR, I agree. If Cates is that good, he’ll find his way into the line up without hurting JvR worth in a deal.
- SuperSchennBros

I am

Imagine an organization in 2022 being able to get its fanbase to somehow try to idolize fourth line goons, or a team that’s going to somehow win games by just out working opponents night, after night.

What idiots believe this crap? It’s as if there is a belief that people don’t see the exciting stars on every other team in the league, or the way teams like Colorado play the game.

Whatever STH support the current trajectory need to be laughed at nightly. Whatever men sit in those seats cheering this on, are short a few brain cells.
- FlyerFan3260

Signing DLo to a long term contract on a team that needs to see what they have with their youth is mind boggling. It’s a static status quo move that keeps a team running in place. But the damage is done and has to be managed to advantage. DLo’s 6-9 minutes a night won’t be a major reason the Flyers lose like some here project.

Signing DLo to a long term contract on a team that needs to see what they have with their youth is mind boggling. It’s a static status quo move that keeps a team running in place. But the damage is done and has to be managed to advantage. DLo’s 6-9 minutes a night won’t be a major reason the Flyers lose like some here project.
- Minnyhock

unless the plan is to get the value up for the roster players and be a big seller at the TDL and the draft. Then he becomes just part of the re-build, an anchor to the next phase.

No way this team is competing until 24-25

I am
- wcorvette

If it really comes down to JvR vs Cates getting into the line up, the question is simple. What’s more important, Cates starting the season with the Flyers or getting the best possible return for JvR. The state of the organization is pretty poor right now. Even a second round pick would help, considering we don’t have any.

If it really comes down to JvR vs Cates getting into the line up, the question is simple. What’s more important, Cates starting the season with the Flyers or getting the best possible return for JvR. The state of the organization is pretty poor right now. Even a second round pick would help, considering we don’t have any.
- SuperSchennBros

Short term Chuck view is JVR. Long term future view is Cates.

I am also of the belief you will not get a 2nd straight up for JVR even with salary retention.

To properly load up for the 2023 draft they need their roster players close to max value, coming out of last season, no one on the team had even close to peak value. CF put himself in this situation and injury luck, but he needs a season that walks the line, finishing bottom 10 but raising the stock of their roster players. That will open up options to move forward
- wcorvette

good points, the Flyers would have been selling low on several of their players. The Flyers need their current players to play more like they are capable of playing, however knowing their ceiling is not nearly high enough, the Flyers still need to lose enough to get another high pick. A very fine line indeed!

Imagine an organization in 2022 being able to get its fanbase to somehow try to idolize fourth line goons, or a team that’s going to somehow win games by just out working opponents night, after night.

What idiots believe this crap? It’s as if there is a belief that people don’t see the exciting stars on every other team in the league, or the way teams like Colorado play the game.

Whatever STH support the current trajectory need to be laughed at nightly. Whatever men sit in those seats cheering this on, are short a few brain cells.
- FlyerFan3260

Facts 💯

Short term Chuck view is JVR. Long term future view is Cates.

I am also of the belief you will not get a 2nd straight up for JVR even with salary retention.
- furio16

Ok.

JvR is a 20 goal scorer when healthy and plays. For some reason you don’t want him to play because it’s absolutely Imperative to get Cates in the line up because you have high hopes for this player but you also want JvR traded. So what is the going rate for a goal scorer at half the cost if we take salary back? I’m not a GM but it sounds like you have a good idea of what JvR’s value is, even if he does absolutely nothing but sits in the press box.

Ok.

JvR is a 20 goal scorer when healthy and plays. For some reason you don’t want him to play because it’s absolutely Imperative to get Cates in the line up because you have high hopes for this player but you also want JvR traded. So what is the going rate for a goal scorer at half the cost if we take salary back? I’m not a GM but it sounds like you have a good idea of what JvR’s value is, even if he does absolutely nothing but sits in the press box.
- SuperSchennBros

That is not t what I said at all. Not surprised though that is your interpretation.

JVR will get you a mid rd pick is all.