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Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Sep 8 @ 9:23 AM ET
Dear Lord, I can't believe people are going to feign loyalty to Sir Sausage Fingers.

God save the queen
The fascist regime
They made you a moron
A potential H bomb

God save the queen
She's not a human being
and There's no future
And England's dreaming

Don't be told what you want
Don't be told what you need
There's no future
No future
No future for you

God save the queen
We mean it man
We love our queen
God saves

God save the queen
'Cause tourists are money
And our figurehead
Is not what she seems

Oh God save history
God save your mad parade
Oh Lord God have mercy
All crimes are paid

Oh when there's no future
How can there be sin
We're the flowers
In the dustbin
We're the poison
In your human machine
We're the future
Your future

God save the queen
We mean it man
We love our queen
God saves

God save the queen
We mean it man
There's no future
In England's dreaming God save the queen

No future
No future
No future for you

No future
No future
No future for me

No future
No future
No future for you
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Sep 8 @ 9:26 AM ET
Gilles was a pure bred like Senna was. Jacques was a technician driving cars that didn't require the same level of mojo drivers before them needed. Different era, cars are completely different now.
- Symba007

It's difficult to compare drivers of different eras, but Jacques led Gilles in one very important category:

Not dying.
dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Space for Rent
Joined: 08.30.2006

Sep 8 @ 9:28 AM ET
I lost count of how many people look at me either with a disapproving look or a full on "Cheech and Chong" look and say "your nickname is Cush?". One of those 2 groups then breaks into a Beavis and Butt Head laugh usually......

I have to explain that it's part of my last name.

A long time ago (not in a glaxy far far away but in a time when the devils lettuce was still illegal in Canada) I got a personalized plate with a leaf logo that was a short form for blue and white - BLUNWT.

Care to guess what the Cheech and Chong crowd saw when then looked at the plate?

- Cush29


blood clot maan

cush and a blunt

I was on a reserve this past weekend and got some for cheap.
Gas was cheap too 1.40/L
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Sep 8 @ 9:30 AM ET
Alex Manoah was throwing darts last night, man he was good.

Jays won despite the terrible umpiring again......MLB just needs to get rid of the home plate umpire for balls and strikes it's clear now that they are terrible at it. I'm sure it's no worse than it was 20,30 or 40 years ago or longer but now that we have technology that can get it right 100% of the time and we all see when it's wrong it's time.

- Cush29

Manoah is a beast. Just incredible.
The home plate umpiring has been garbage, not sure why its gone downhill so fast lately, but its gone both ways.
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Sep 8 @ 9:31 AM ET
Gilles was a pure bred like Senna was. Jacques was a technician driving cars that didn't require the same level of mojo drivers before them needed. Different era, cars are completely different now.
- Symba007

yup šŸ‘
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Sep 8 @ 9:31 AM ET
blood clot maan

cush and a blunt

I was on a reserve this past weekend and got some for cheap.
Gas was cheap too 1.40/L

- dmnted

filled up in Ottawa 3 days ago at 1.38/l and there was a cannabis store across the street
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Sep 8 @ 9:33 AM ET
I lost count of how many people look at me either with a disapproving look or a full on "Cheech and Chong" look and say "your nickname is Cush?". One of those 2 groups then breaks into a Beavis and Butt Head laugh usually......

I have to explain that it's part of my last name.

A long time ago (not in a glaxy far far away but in a time when the devils lettuce was still illegal in Canada) I got a personalized plate with a leaf logo that was a short form for blue and white - BLUNWT.

Care to guess what the Cheech and Chong crowd saw when then looked at the plate?

- Cush29

Cushion??
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Sep 8 @ 9:37 AM ET
Cushion??
- 21peter

Cushaddict.
mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

Sep 8 @ 9:38 AM ET
Dear Lord, I can't believe people are going to feign loyalty to Sir Sausage Fingers.

God save the queen
The fascist regime
They made you a moron
A potential H bomb

God save the queen
She's not a human being
and There's no future
And England's dreaming

Don't be told what you want
Don't be told what you need
There's no future
No future
No future for you

God save the queen
We mean it man
We love our queen
God saves

God save the queen
'Cause tourists are money
And our figurehead
Is not what she seems

Oh God save history
God save your mad parade
Oh Lord God have mercy
All crimes are paid

Oh when there's no future
How can there be sin
We're the flowers
In the dustbin
We're the poison
In your human machine
We're the future
Your future

God save the queen
We mean it man
We love our queen
God saves

God save the queen
We mean it man
There's no future
In England's dreaming God save the queen

No future
No future
No future for you

No future
No future
No future for me

No future
No future
No future for you

- Atomic Wedgie


Oh, I like this gameā€¦.

When the credits finally
Roll, on this the
Worst story ever
Told, don't bother
Sifting through the names
For yours or anyone you know, unless they
Were by chance a shepherd king,
A virgin birth, or resurrection, a messianic prince or some
Such childish thing.
You can [story end is sweet]
Move to block its theatrical release,
But I think we
Can safely guarantee
There will be no revisions to the script made on behalf
Of a supporting caste.
Cause history accepts
Only
The pornography of force,
That of
Murderers and psychopaths, the rest of us of course
Stricken from the narrative wholesale.
A backdrop to their jail!
As we
With two pence,
Are rushed right swiftly off the stage with
Child bones,
Of asses,
The story couldn't call for the masses.
No floral bouquet,
No breaking of legs,
No recurring role,
No artistic control!
Its so weird these days,
This torment we face,
Its all left to chance,
A piece of advice,
If you're cast on thin ice,
You may as well dance.
Do what you feel you must,
But as for me I was not
Put upon this earth
To subjugate or serve.
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Sep 8 @ 9:41 AM ET
Cushaddict.
- Atomic Wedgie

Not going further with this - might cost me a year or 3...
Cush29
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Who Owzzzzz da' Chiefs?, ON
Joined: 12.22.2014

Sep 8 @ 9:49 AM ET
blood clot maan

cush and a blunt

I was on a reserve this past weekend and got some for cheap.
Gas was cheap too 1.40/L

- dmnted


I have a friend who works for the agency that regulates Alcohol, gaming and Mary Jane in Ontario and they told me the reserve pricing, and strength of things like edibles in just so insanely better than what the gov't run shops offer it's crazy.

Apparently a gov't run shop in Ontario can't sell any edible with more than 10MG of THC in it - the reserve has everything from 5mg per to what she called a 'super gummy' that was 500MG of THC. Apparently in the gov't shop you can also only buy 100mg of THC total - no limits on the rez.

Between old school black market (aka dealers) and the rez pot shops I'm sure the tax dollars being lost in the industry as people just don't buy via the flawed government model/regulated shops is staggering.

They (The AGCO) don't have any authroity on the rez, nor do they want to they just turn a blind eye to it all.

I paid 1.46 on the weekend in Barrie for gas, it's sad that I thought that was a good deal but I suppose we have all been conditioned to think anything under 1.90 or 2 bucks per litre is a 'good deal'


Cush29
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Who Owzzzzz da' Chiefs?, ON
Joined: 12.22.2014

Sep 8 @ 9:50 AM ET
Cushion??
- 21peter


No and I'm not sure I like what your implying.
Cush29
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Who Owzzzzz da' Chiefs?, ON
Joined: 12.22.2014

Sep 8 @ 9:52 AM ET
Cushaddict.
- Atomic Wedgie



lol far from it.

Maybe I was named after a place? Anyone think that you bunch of Buzzards?

https://www.mapsimages.co...exhibitions/land-of-cush/
Cush29
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Who Owzzzzz da' Chiefs?, ON
Joined: 12.22.2014

Sep 8 @ 9:54 AM ET
Not going further with this - might cost me a year or 3...
- 21peter


Good call you get a t-shirt.

21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Sep 8 @ 9:58 AM ET
Good call you get a t-shirt.


- Cush29

I would look good in that
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Sep 8 @ 10:06 AM ET
I love MA Bergeron 2.0
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Sep 8 @ 10:12 AM ET
Well first of all, congratulations on defining a scenario.

And yes, Iā€™ve made an assumption. The cap is expected to go up a million or two a year for two or three years until escrow is repaid after which it will jump big time. That means heā€™d get a lot more signing in 3 or 4 years unless he craps out (I assume he doesnā€™t) and the cost of an $8M contract to the Sens is a lot less.

I also assume itā€™s just more fun to ridicule everything the Sens do.

- Canada Cup


You guys talked about this last night, but I'd agree that Stutzle is worth the gamble. Right now there are 25 active contracts in the NHL that were 8 year deals signed when the player was 20-25. 14 of those were on players exiting their ELC - so guys aged 20 - 23, basically.

Most of these deals still haven't played out enough to judge, but some give you an idea:

Aaron Ekblad (20) @ $7.5m
Connor McDavid (21) @ $12.5m
Jack Eichel (21) @ $10m
Leon Draisaitl (21) @ $8.5m
Miro Heiskanen (21) @ $8.45m
Jack Hughes (21) @ $8m
Andrei Svechnikov (21) @ $7.75m
Clayton Keller (21) @ $7.15m
Jesperi Kotkaniemi (21) @ $4.82m
Nick Suzuki (22) @ $7.875m
Vladimir Tarasenko (23) @ $7.5m
Thomas Chabot (23) @ $8m
Joshua Norris (23) @ $7.95m
Mark Scheifele (23) @ $6.125m

Eichel is good enough but probably hasn't lived up to his contract. Heiskanen had a poor year last year, but he should meet the value in his contract. Chabot has probably not lived up to his deal. The others haven't played out (Norris, Svechnikov, Hughes, Keller, Suzuki) or have met or exceeded their value (McDavid, Draisaitl, Tarasenko, Scheifele). Ekblad is an interesting one, because he's entering into year 5, but you could probably make a case that his first 4 years didn't meet a $7.5m value, but last year exceeded it, and he's likely expected to finish his final three years exceeding the value, likely surpassing an end-to-end expectation.

In terms of comparables, Stutzle's 10.1% cap hit is below McDavid, Eichel, Draisaitl, Tarasenko, Heiskanen and Ekblad. He's above the others (Hughes, Chabot, Suzuki, Norris, Svechnikov, Keller, Scheifele and Kotkaniemi). With the exceptions of Hughes and Svechnikov, I think he's not really out of whack in those comparables.


Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: This world is just a veil and the face you wear is not your own., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 8 @ 10:25 AM ET
Gilles was a pure bred like Senna was. Jacques was a technician driving cars that didn't require the same level of mojo drivers before them needed. Different era, cars are completely different now.
- Symba007

Nothing like starting your race career in snowmobile racing
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: This world is just a veil and the face you wear is not your own., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 8 @ 10:28 AM ET
You guys talked about this last night, but I'd agree that Stutzle is worth the gamble. Right now there are 25 active contracts in the NHL that were 8 year deals signed when the player was 20-25. 14 of those were on players exiting their ELC - so guys aged 20 - 23, basically.

Most of these deals still haven't played out enough to judge, but some give you an idea:

Aaron Ekblad (20) @ $7.5m
Connor McDavid (21) @ $12.5m
Jack Eichel (21) @ $10m
Leon Draisaitl (21) @ $8.5m
Miro Heiskanen (21) @ $8.45m
Jack Hughes (21) @ $8m
Andrei Svechnikov (21) @ $7.75m
Clayton Keller (21) @ $7.15m
Jesperi Kotkaniemi (21) @ $4.82m
Nick Suzuki (22) @ $7.875m
Vladimir Tarasenko (23) @ $7.5m
Thomas Chabot (23) @ $8m
Joshua Norris (23) @ $7.95m
Mark Scheifele (23) @ $6.125m

Eichel is good enough but probably hasn't lived up to his contract. Heiskanen had a poor year last year, but he should meet the value in his contract. Chabot has probably not lived up to his deal. The others haven't played out (Norris, Svechnikov, Hughes, Keller, Suzuki) or have met or exceeded their value (McDavid, Draisaitl, Tarasenko, Scheifele). Ekblad is an interesting one, because he's entering into year 5, but you could probably make a case that his first 4 years didn't meet a $7.5m value, but last year exceeded it, and he's likely expected to finish his final three years exceeding the value, likely surpassing an end-to-end expectation.

In terms of comparables, Stutzle's 10.1% cap hit is below McDavid, Eichel, Draisaitl, Tarasenko, Heiskanen and Ekblad. He's above the others (Hughes, Chabot, Suzuki, Norris, Svechnikov, Keller, Scheifele and Kotkaniemi). With the exceptions of Hughes and Svechnikov, I think he's not really out of whack in those comparables.

- Monkeypunk


My point is that when he hits his prime the % of his cap hit will be much lower. Iā€™m less concerned about his hit right now but where heā€™ll be in a few years. I think he made a big mistake locking in right now.
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Sep 8 @ 10:40 AM ET
I loved MA Bergeron
- AdamFrench



Me too, bring him back.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: This world is just a veil and the face you wear is not your own., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 8 @ 10:44 AM ET
Dear Lord, I can't believe people are going to feign loyalty to Sir Sausage Fingers.

God save the queen
The fascist regime
They made you a moron
A potential H bomb

God save the queen
She's not a human being
and There's no future
And England's dreaming

Don't be told what you want
Don't be told what you need
There's no future
No future
No future for you

God save the queen
We mean it man
We love our queen
God saves

God save the queen
'Cause tourists are money
And our figurehead
Is not what she seems

Oh God save history
God save your mad parade
Oh Lord God have mercy
All crimes are paid

Oh when there's no future
How can there be sin
We're the flowers
In the dustbin
We're the poison
In your human machine
We're the future
Your future

God save the queen
We mean it man
We love our queen
God saves

God save the queen
We mean it man
There's no future
In England's dreaming God save the queen

No future
No future
No future for you

No future
No future
No future for me

No future
No future
No future for you

- Atomic Wedgie

I believe Prince LH (or is it LH Prince) is about to become 19th in line for the crown.
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Sep 8 @ 11:19 AM ET
My point is that when he hits his prime the % of his cap hit will be much lower. Iā€™m less concerned about his hit right now but where heā€™ll be in a few years. I think he made a big mistake locking in right now.
- Canada Cup


Certainly in a perfect world, he stands to make more money than he signed for just now in the long run. But let's be fair - he signed for $8.3m. He likely won't reach that level of play for a couple of years, but when he does Ottawa stands to benefit in the long run. From a lot of 8 year deals that buy potential, you lose in the first 3 years, seem to peak around year 4 and then gain in the final 4. If the player remains healthy and grows as expected, it's a benefit. If the player suffers any career threatening issue, they are guaranteed to make a lot money. Let's not forget that Stutzle is going to be 29 when it expires - so he'll still be young enough to cash in as a UFA.

Let's say he signed a 3 year bridge after this season. That's probably 3x$6.5, and then he'd be signing a longer term deal that's buying more UFA years with a higher cap - the cap in 3 years is maybe @ $89m once the escrow and recovery issues are dealt with. If he were signed at the 10.1% cap hit he received now, that would project out to less than he's making now on an 8 year term. If were signed at say a 10.5% (Laine, O'Rielly, Tarasenko) he'd make close to the same over those 8 years, and if he were to exceed expectations and sign at 11% (Draisaitl, Kaprizov), he'd be out about $2m.

So really, it's not what he left on the table, inasmuch as it's the timing of when he signed. The cap hasn't recovered and until it does - which would still be at least 3-4 years away - a lot of contracts will be slightly lower than projections.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: This world is just a veil and the face you wear is not your own., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 8 @ 11:25 AM ET
Naz just donated $1M to London General Hospital
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Sep 8 @ 11:40 AM ET
You guys talked about this last night, but I'd agree that Stutzle is worth the gamble. Right now there are 25 active contracts in the NHL that were 8 year deals signed when the player was 20-25. 14 of those were on players exiting their ELC - so guys aged 20 - 23, basically.

Most of these deals still haven't played out enough to judge, but some give you an idea:

Aaron Ekblad (20) @ $7.5m
Connor McDavid (21) @ $12.5m
Jack Eichel (21) @ $10m
Leon Draisaitl (21) @ $8.5m
Miro Heiskanen (21) @ $8.45m
Jack Hughes (21) @ $8m
Andrei Svechnikov (21) @ $7.75m
Clayton Keller (21) @ $7.15m
Jesperi Kotkaniemi (21) @ $4.82m
Nick Suzuki (22) @ $7.875m
Vladimir Tarasenko (23) @ $7.5m
Thomas Chabot (23) @ $8m
Joshua Norris (23) @ $7.95m
Mark Scheifele (23) @ $6.125m

Eichel is good enough but probably hasn't lived up to his contract. Heiskanen had a poor year last year, but he should meet the value in his contract. Chabot has probably not lived up to his deal. The others haven't played out (Norris, Svechnikov, Hughes, Keller, Suzuki) or have met or exceeded their value (McDavid, Draisaitl, Tarasenko, Scheifele). Ekblad is an interesting one, because he's entering into year 5, but you could probably make a case that his first 4 years didn't meet a $7.5m value, but last year exceeded it, and he's likely expected to finish his final three years exceeding the value, likely surpassing an end-to-end expectation.

In terms of comparables, Stutzle's 10.1% cap hit is below McDavid, Eichel, Draisaitl, Tarasenko, Heiskanen and Ekblad. He's above the others (Hughes, Chabot, Suzuki, Norris, Svechnikov, Keller, Scheifele and Kotkaniemi). With the exceptions of Hughes and Svechnikov, I think he's not really out of whack in those comparables.

- Monkeypunk


I've always disliked how CF uses current cap (as opposed to cap when contract starts) to list the CF%. We know next years cap is 83.5 and his AAV is 8.35 ....he should be listed as 10%. Nonsense!!

Anyway I think the short answer is that Tkachuk is ~10% so Stiffler gets the same. Keep the room happy.

The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Sep 8 @ 11:44 AM ET
My point is that when he hits his prime the % of his cap hit will be much lower. Iā€™m less concerned about his hit right now but where heā€™ll be in a few years. I think he made a big mistake locking in right now.
- Canada Cup


Not disagreeing at all but .....if in 3-4 yrs the Cap is 90M his 10% would be 9M instead of 8.35. After tax dollars vs. the comfort of locking in a year early makes it a fair decision.

I think the bigger risk to him is if he went out and kicked ass this year (ala Marner) he might have been able to argue he's a 12 or 13% guy. That might make him 10+ per.
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