I hated the Murray trade, but with 2 months to process it I’m beginning to have an optimistic outlook on it.
- bryant

they got Murray for free with a discount on his contract basically

they got Murray for free with a discount on his contract basically
- dmnted

imo the Leafs should have gotten more to take him. and/or made Ott retain more cap.

other than that, ill wait and see how it turns out

imo the Leafs should have gotten more to take him. and/or made Ott retain more cap.

other than that, ill wait and see how it turns out
- senstroll

I am predicting the Leafs will finish with a record 160pts this season, a 79-1-2 record, of course the Habs will be the team beating the Leafs 3 times.

imo the Leafs should have gotten more to take him. and/or made Ott retain more cap.

other than that, ill wait and see how it turns out
- senstroll

I think if the Sens were to retain more of his cap hit, a player or a pick would of needed to go the other way.

I'm in the let see him play camp before I decide if Murray is a waste of cap space.

I am predicting the Leafs will finish with a record 160pts this season, a 79-2-1 record, of course the Habs will be the team beating the Leafs 3 times.
- Symba007

I am predicting the Leafs will finish with a record 160pts this season, a 79-2-1 record, of course the Habs will be the team beating the Leafs 3 times.
- Symba007

Agreed

I am predicting the Leafs will finish with a record 160pts this season, a 79-2-1 record, of course the Habs will be the team beating the Leafs 3 times.
- Symba007

Bo Bichette. Can't stop, won't stop.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Cant throw either.
Jays blow that game.

I am predicting the Leafs will finish with a record 160pts this season, a 79-2-1 record, of course the Habs will be the team beating the Leafs 3 times.
- Symba007

Some Hab math right there...???

Some Hab math right there...???
- bixll

Habs beat the Leafs twice in OT and once in regulation, isn't that what I wrote? I am still working on my first coffee...

Kirby Dach signs 4 x 3.36 with the habitards.

Habs beat the Leafs twice in OT and once in regulation, isn't that what I wrote? I am still working on my first coffee...
- Symba007

Laughing at the loser point...

It would be 2 in regulation and one in OT.

Kirby Dach signs 4 x 3.36 with the habitards.
- Fakepartofme

D cent

Habs beat the Leafs twice in OT and once in regulation, isn't that what I wrote? I am still working on my first coffee...
- Symba007

The math works fine....but its twice in regulation and once in OT no?

Laughing at the loser point...

It would be 2 in regulation and one in OT.
- bixll

*drinks more coffee*
change made

*drinks more coffee*
change made
- Symba007

Would be a disappointing season for sure.

I think if the Sens were to retain more of his cap hit, a player or a pick would of needed to go the other way.

I'm in the let see him play camp before I decide if Murray is a waste of cap space.
- dmnted

It's a rehash of a conversation we've all had before. According to Dorion, if he retained more than 25%, he could have just bought him out. If he'd done that, it would have been $1.75m, .75m, $2.5m, $2.5m. Instead, by retaining salary, it's $1.56 and $1.56.

If Dorion's only immediate concern was year 1, then the statement is true. Frankly, given that Murray was interested in rekindling with is old coach and goalie coach, I'd have called the bluff and let Dorion buy him out - then we'd have him at around $1.5m, which is more fair.

Dorion claimed he had another team interested - I'd have called that bluff, too. Murray was far from the only viable target - especially at $4.7m.

That all laid out - what's done is done, and we'll go from here. I like plenty of things Dubas has done. This is one of a few that, regardless of how it turns out, I think he mishandled.

It's a rehash of a conversation we've all had before. According to Dorion, if he retained more than 25%, he could have just bought him out. If he'd done that, it would have been $1.75m, .75m, $2.5m, $2.5m. Instead, by retaining salary, it's $1.56 and $1.56.

If Dorion's only immediate concern was year 1, then the statement is true. Frankly, given that Murray was interested in rekindling with is old coach and goalie coach, I'd have called the bluff and let Dorion buy him out - then we'd have him at around $1.5m, which is more fair.

Dorion claimed he had another team interested - I'd have called that bluff, too. Murray was far from the only viable target - especially at $4.7m.

That all laid out - what's done is done, and we'll go from here. I like plenty of things Dubas has done. This is one of a few that, regardless of how it turns out, I think he mishandled.
- Monkeypunk

So Dubas could have gotten him to retain more as he had leverage...Im sure Dorion didnt want or probably couldnt be allowed to have 2.5m of dead money/cap on the books 3/4 years from now.
Ah well, it only 2 years

man I hope Sandin signs with the Leafs prior to training camp cause this will hurt him in the end

man I hope Sandin signs with the Leafs prior to training camp cause this will hurt him in the end
- dmnted

And the team as well

imo the Leafs should have gotten more to take him. and/or made Ott retain more cap.

other than that, ill wait and see how it turns out
- senstroll

If I were negotiating I would have made them send retain more salary and include all their good players. But that’s just me.

Would be a disappointing season for sure.
- bixll

Fire Dubas.

If I were negotiating I would have made them send retain more salary and include all their good players. But that’s just me.
- Canada Cup

If Dubas was smart, he would have traded Matthews to Ottawa for a seventh round pick, and then had Ottawa send Matthews back with 50 percent retained as part of the Murray trade.

Dubas is in over his head.

Fire Dubas.

So Dubas could have gotten him to retain more as he had leverage...Im sure Dorion didnt want or probably couldnt be allowed to have 2.5m of dead money/cap on the books 3/4 years from now.
Ah well, it only 2 years
- Fakepartofme

If you think about the retention, this is your quick and dirty map:

25% Retained; Cost to Toronto: $4.69m; Cost to Ottawa: $1.56m
30% Retained; Cost to Toronto: $4.38m; Cost to Ottawa: $1.88m
35% Retained; Cost to Toronto: $4.06m; Cost to Ottawa: $2.19m
40% Retained; Cost to Toronto: $3.75m; Cost to Ottawa: $2.5m
45% Retained; Cost to Toronto: $3.44m; Cost to Ottawa: $2.81m
50% Retained; Cost to Toronto: $3.13m; Cost to Ottawa: $3.13m

If Dorion was, as he said, willing to buy out Murray, then his largest disincentive was the immediate cap cost of $1.75m and not exceeding it. Obviously from the balancing act he was doing - knowing that he was going to sign Giroux, but also having to considering resigning DeBrincat, Stutzle, Formenton and Pinto - this year or next, I think he had more to consider than just the immediate cost. Especially since Ottawa is in fine cap shape this year. Next year will be a beast for them if they manage to resign DeBrincat and Stutzle - and the buyout would actually have been less painful next year @ $750k than the retention salary.

You're right - those last two years would rely heavily on cap increases to cover that $2.5m loss in dead cap.

At the end of the day - and this is how I feel about Murray (and I think a lot of us), there was sincerely no amount of retention on the table that makes his salary justifiable for the player he has been for the past 3-4 seasons.

The player he is capable of being is worth plenty - but putting all your chips on double 0 in roulette is a nutty way to try and make a mortgage payment.

Fire Dubas.
- Atomic Wedgie

Seems like a thing to do. Prolly not the right thing, but a thing.