Also, given the “old boys” take that some have of this team, how in the world can someone like Clarke and Holmgren (as influential as they may be), two men who absolutely loved and respected “Mr Snider”, allow this to happen? Shouldn’t we expect them to be railing against the destructive ownership and governorship of Comcast and Scott?
- mikeyo27

Why would they rail against their own philosophy of building and running an NHL team?

I think it is. 2-3 years after a draft, normally a player that is a potential top 6 player is either in pushing for the NHL or is no longer deemed as such. Barring serious injury.
- MJL

If no injuries. 3 years as a pro for a junior player he then needs to be in the NHL. If not he likely wont be.

What about college players who play 3 or 4 years? What is their curve?

Do you believe he will get 40 goals and 115 points in Columbus this coming year?
- Glak18

Depends on if he is playing with Laine or Voracek. Laine will get him assists, Voracek will get him goals.

I see him getting 85 points.

Haha poor Isles fans.
- Tomahawk

have to give it to the Flames, they decided to stay relevant and did, long term deals for older players but still

Why would they rail against their own philosophy of building and running an NHL team?
- MJL

Not so much railing against the philosophy but the breakdown of a public trust and dedicated fan base which they, along with their teammates and Ed built over the course of decades. I see there are multiple ways to look at it, so that’s what my point was. How pathetic the public, media and fan perception is of this once proud franchise, now relegated to pariah on par with a team in the desert playing at a college arena.

Not so much railing against the philosophy but the breakdown of a public trust and dedicated fan base which they, along with their teammates and Ed built over the course of decades. I see there are multiple ways to look at it, so that’s what my point was. How pathetic the public, media and fan perception is of this once proud franchise, now relegated to pariah on par with a team in the desert playing at a college arena.
- mikeyo27

I think the point is that due to their influence on how the team is run, Clarke and Holmgren are culpable here. They're partly responsible and are part of the problem.
Trust has broken down because the team stinks and there isn't much hope currently.

have to give it to the Flames, they decided to stay relevant and did, long term deals for older players but still
- wcorvette

Lost their entire talented young core, replaced them with a slightly older but equally talented core, and didn't give up anything from the cupboard to make it all happen.

That's GM Brad showing dummies like Chuck how a retool is done.

If no injuries. 3 years as a pro for a junior player he then needs to be in the NHL. If not he likely wont be.

What about college players who play 3 or 4 years? What is their curve?
- furio16

It seems to me that top college players who wind up as quality top 6 NHL players don't stay in college for the full 4 years.

So if we go back 3 drafts, how many top 6 potential players for a team is average?

Yeah, who needs 40 goal, 115 point scorers anyway. Certainly not the Flyers.
- Feanor

Yea, Kadri and Huberdeau only combined for 200 points last year. They are in big trouble….

The fanbase is pissed
- Tomahawk

Well let's think about it for a minute. The offseason has included a fan favorite and useful player who is also a cancer survivor being bought out, while a racist, homophobe and useless goon were brought in.

Throw in the farcical Farabee and Brink injuries, the Ellis situation it goes on and on. This franchise is nothing more than a punchline.

Flyers ownership and the country club doesn’t care one iota about an article from the Athletic.

They have their own internal numbers that tell them what they want to hear. Just like the so called analytics department. The same department that green lights trades/extensions like Risto and signs Deslauriers.

The rabbit hole of denial runs deep in this organization. It’s nearly hopeless.

Lost their entire talented young core, replaced them with a slightly older but equally talented core, and didn't give up anything from the cupboard to make it all happen.

That's GM Brad showing dummies like Chuck how a retool is done.
- Tomahawk

Monahan to the Habs and 7 for 7 for Kadri

Lost their entire talented young core, replaced them with a slightly older but equally talented core, and didn't give up anything from the cupboard to make it all happen.

That's GM Brad showing dummies like Chuck how a retool is done.
- Tomahawk

Been fun watching GMs this summer that actually have some creativity when it comes to building a roster.

have to give it to the Flames, they decided to stay relevant and did, long term deals for older players but still
- wcorvette

They are a better team today then when they ended their season.

It seems to me that top college players who wind up as quality top 6 NHL players don't stay in college for the full 4 years.

So if we go back 3 drafts, how many top 6 potential players for a team is average?
- MJL

Correct.

I meant how long are they considered prospects once they turn pro.

Well let's think about it for a minute. The offseason has included a fan favorite and useful player who is also a cancer survivor being bought out, while a racist, homophobe and useless goon were brought in.

Throw in the farcical Farabee and Brink injuries, the Ellis situation it goes on and on. This franchise is nothing more than a punchline.
- PLindbergh31

Irrelevant.

Who are you talking about?

Lost their entire talented young core, replaced them with a slightly older but equally talented core, and didn't give up anything from the cupboard to make it all happen.

That's GM Brad showing dummies like Chuck how a retool is done.
- Tomahawk

Only Tkatchuk would be considered young, great deal on Kadri contract too. Hayes lol

They are a better team today then when they ended their season.
- furio16

100% great team to place a future on

100% great team to place a future on
- ClaudeFather

What was the cost to move Monahan?

What was the cost to move Monahan?
- furio16

Most likely a high pick. TBD.

Most likely a high pick. TBD.
- Minnyhock

We shall see if Chuck gets embarrassed again.

Is he expected to play or LTIR all year? As that def changes the compensation.

We shall see if Chuck gets embarrassed again.

Is he expected to play or LTIR all year? As that def changes the compensation.
- furio16

Imo the Habs hope that he gets healthy so that they can move him at the deadline.

Flyers ownership and the country club doesn’t care one iota about an article from the Athletic.

They have their own internal numbers that tell them what they want to hear. Just like the so called analytics department. The same department that green lights trades/extensions like Risto and signs Deslauriers.

The rabbit hole of denial runs deep in this organization. It’s nearly hopeless.
- StepfordSam

Haha! Yeah that’s a great point! Maybe they have no fundamental principles after all, which leads to wildly inconsistent behavior.

We shall see if Chuck gets embarrassed again.

Is he expected to play or LTIR all year? As that def changes the compensation.
- furio16

He is also only 27, so that changes the goalposts a bit as well. I know people are going to try to compare it to JVR but it is really a somewhat different situation.

That's the article!! When I read some of those comments I was wondering which one of you guys said it 😂
- Bob Habib

The article also states that the Flyers were the team with the fourth highest number of fan respondents with over a 1000 respondents.