If it makes you guys feel better, since 2014 the Habs only have 5 draft picks that played 100 or more games at the NHL level and the only one still with the team is Jake Evans.

The others:
Kotkaniemi, Sergachev, Victor Mete and Alexander Romanov.
- BINGO!

Nice post. Simple straightforward facts.

Well maybe not “The Guy” but Miller, Sandin and Lundestrom have all proven to be NHL players with good looking futures. Nobody drafted after him in round 1 is still without an ELC. It’s tough to argue that he’s not the worst player in round 1 so far but I hope it turns around for him.
- Djapana

All about context.

Some very good articles in the NY post today. Really enjoy that paper.

Ah yeah I mean he's tied for 12th on the team in scoring through 3 games so.... okay? He's been fine. Nothing to rave about. Not sure who you're arguing with here?
- BINGO!

so you didnt watch the game...if you had you would have saw him dropping dime pass after dime pass. Unfortunately, people just werent finishing for him. but he was solid on the wall, forechecking and his playing was fantastic.

Im not arguing with anyone. Just find it completely nauseating that people continue to use the words scrub and suck to describe kids. People want to say they aren't sure they have the talent to be an NHL regular then fine....but saying someone in the top 10% of their job profession sucks and they are still basically kids??? That reeks of someone who doesn't know what it takes to actually make a meaningful contribution.

You dont typically do that so its not pointed at you. The vibe of this place for the last couple weeks is just to scatter shot barbs at every young kid who just didnt hit their stride. It's a bit tiresome.

You need to hit on most of your first round picks if you are going to build a successful team. Let’s see how the Flyers have done over the last decade.

2012 Scott Laughton
Laughton is a serviceable 3rd line forward who can kill penalties. That’s ok, but nothing special for a late first. GRADE C

2013 Sam Morin
Utter bust and a blown opportunity at 11OA in a deep draft. GRADE F

2014 Travis Sanheim
Sanheim is a quality top 4 Dman and a solid mid 1st pick GRADE B

2015 Ivan Provorov & Travis Konecny
Provy is a good player but not a #1 since he needs the right partner to succeed. At 7OA it’s a good, but not great pick. TK is a good 2nd line RW and that’s a nice pickup for a late 1st
GRADES
Provorov B-
Konecny A
Overall B+

2016 German Rubtsov
Another complete bust, GRADE F

2017 Nolan Patrick & Morgan Frost
Patrick was a killer of a bust and Frost, while their is still legit potential, he needs to break out soon and start performing.
GRADES
Patrick F
Frost D+ with potential to improve
Overall D-

2018 Joel Farabee & Jay O’Brien
Farabee has shown flashes of being a very good player but has been prone to both injuries and long slumps. O’Brien has been a bust so far but there is still a slim chance he develops
GRADES
Farabee B-
O’Brien D-
Overall C

2019 Cam York
York is hopefully about to establish himself as an NHL regular and looks to be a solid top 4 player who can QB a pp unit. So far, so good
GRADE B+ (good end up a bit better or worse)

No point rating beyond 2019 as its just to soon to tell. However, over 8 drafts and 11 picks, only one pick rates an “A” while 3 get an F and another is trending in that direction. All in all, it’s just not good enough.

Now add to that Fletchers recent deals and signings and it’s not the least bit surprising that the Flyers are firmly mired in the bottom 10 among NHL teams.

You need to hit on most of your first round picks if you are going to build a successful team. Let’s see how the Flyers have done over the last decade.

2012 Scott Laughton
Laughton is a serviceable 3rd line forward who can kill penalties. That’s ok, but nothing special for a late first. GRADE C

2013 Sam Morin
Utter bust and a blown opportunity at 11OA in a deep draft. GRADE F

2014 Travis Sanheim
Sanheim is a quality top 4 Dman and a solid mid 1st pick GRADE B

2015 Ivan Provorov & Travis Konecny
Provy is a good player but not a #1 since he needs the right partner to succeed. At 7OA it’s a good, but not great pick. TK is a good 2nd line RW and that’s a nice pickup for a late 1st
GRADES
Provorov B-
Konecny A
Overall B+

2016 German Rubtsov
Another complete bust, GRADE F

2017 Nolan Patrick & Morgan Frost
Patrick was a killer of a bust and Frost, while their is still legit potential, he needs to break out soon and start performing.
GRADES
Patrick F
Frost D+ with potential to improve
Overall D-

2018 Joel Farabee & Jay O’Brien
Farabee has shown flashes of being a very good player but has been prone to both injuries and long slumps. O’Brien has been a bust so far but there is still a slim chance he develops
GRADES
Farabee B-
O’Brien D-
Overall C

2019 Cam York
York is hopefully about to establish himself as an NHL regular and looks to be a solid top 4 player who can QB a pp unit. So far, so good
GRADE B+ (good end up a bit better or worse)

No point rating beyond 2019 as its just to soon to tell. However, over 8 drafts and 11 picks, only one pick rates an “A” while 3 get an F and another is trending in that direction. All in all, it’s just not good enough.

Now add to that Fletchers recent deals and signings and it’s not the least bit surprising that the Flyers are firmly mired in the bottom 10 among NHL teams.
- BiggE

And we are left with a roster that is capped out and filled with middling talent. Welcome to hell

If it makes you guys feel better, since 2014 the Habs only have 5 draft picks that played 100 or more games at the NHL level and the only one still with the team is Jake Evans.

The others:
Kotkaniemi, Sergachev, Victor Mete and Alexander Romanov.
- BINGO!

Habs and Flyers are certainly where they deserve to be in the standings.

You need to hit on most of your first round picks if you are going to build a successful team. Let’s see how the Flyers have done over the last decade.

2012 Scott Laughton
Laughton is a serviceable 3rd line forward who can kill penalties. That’s ok, but nothing special for a late first. GRADE C

2013 Sam Morin
Utter bust and a blown opportunity at 11OA in a deep draft. GRADE F

2014 Travis Sanheim
Sanheim is a quality top 4 Dman and a solid mid 1st pick GRADE B

2015 Ivan Provorov & Travis Konecny
Provy is a good player but not a #1 since he needs the right partner to succeed. At 7OA it’s a good, but not great pick. TK is a good 2nd line RW and that’s a nice pickup for a late 1st
GRADES
Provorov B-
Konecny A
Overall B+

2016 German Rubtsov
Another complete bust, GRADE F

2017 Nolan Patrick & Morgan Frost
Patrick was a killer of a bust and Frost, while their is still legit potential, he needs to break out soon and start performing.
GRADES
Patrick F
Frost D+ with potential to improve
Overall D-

2018 Joel Farabee & Jay O’Brien
Farabee has shown flashes of being a very good player but has been prone to both injuries and long slumps. O’Brien has been a bust so far but there is still a slim chance he develops
GRADES
Farabee B-
O’Brien D-
Overall C

2019 Cam York
York is hopefully about to establish himself as an NHL regular and looks to be a solid top 4 player who can QB a pp unit. So far, so good
GRADE B+ (good end up a bit better or worse)

No point rating beyond 2019 as its just to soon to tell. However, over 8 drafts and 11 picks, only one pick rates an “A” while 3 get an F and another is trending in that direction. All in all, it’s just not good enough.

Now add to that Fletchers recent deals and signings and it’s not the least bit surprising that the Flyers are firmly mired in the bottom 10 among NHL teams.
- BiggE

I still think York is an incomplete. Needs to have a good year. Big thing is Chuck has got no help so far from his drafts.

That was a weird one. Lots of teams missed on a lot of guys. Especially late in the first round.

Awful lot of good players deeper in that draft.
- BINGO!

Blues really hit on Jordan Kyrue

Rubstov was horrible, his last year in the Q he barely stood out. He never stood out ever, or put up significant points. It was a really bad pick.
- ClaudeFather

On this topic, you clearly dont understand context, so theres no need to discuss it any further.

You need to hit on most of your first round picks if you are going to build a successful team. Let’s see how the Flyers have done over the last decade.

2012 Scott Laughton
Laughton is a serviceable 3rd line forward who can kill penalties. That’s ok, but nothing special for a late first. GRADE C

2013 Sam Morin
Utter bust and a blown opportunity at 11OA in a deep draft. GRADE F

2014 Travis Sanheim
Sanheim is a quality top 4 Dman and a solid mid 1st pick GRADE B

2015 Ivan Provorov & Travis Konecny
Provy is a good player but not a #1 since he needs the right partner to succeed. At 7OA it’s a good, but not great pick. TK is a good 2nd line RW and that’s a nice pickup for a late 1st
GRADES
Provorov B-
Konecny A
Overall B+

2016 German Rubtsov
Another complete bust, GRADE F

2017 Nolan Patrick & Morgan Frost
Patrick was a killer of a bust and Frost, while their is still legit potential, he needs to break out soon and start performing.
GRADES
Patrick F
Frost D+ with potential to improve
Overall D-

2018 Joel Farabee & Jay O’Brien
Farabee has shown flashes of being a very good player but has been prone to both injuries and long slumps. O’Brien has been a bust so far but there is still a slim chance he develops
GRADES
Farabee B-
O’Brien D-
Overall C

2019 Cam York
York is hopefully about to establish himself as an NHL regular and looks to be a solid top 4 player who can QB a pp unit. So far, so good
GRADE B+ (good end up a bit better or worse)

No point rating beyond 2019 as its just to soon to tell. However, over 8 drafts and 11 picks, only one pick rates an “A” while 3 get an F and another is trending in that direction. All in all, it’s just not good enough.

Now add to that Fletchers recent deals and signings and it’s not the least bit surprising that the Flyers are firmly mired in the bottom 10 among NHL teams.
- BiggE

Pretty good analysis….although the Sanheim description might be a bit of a over value….his position as a quality top 4? Not with any great consistency up until now. You are correct that the failures in drafting have helped lead us to today.

On this topic, you clearly dont understand context, so theres no need to discuss it any further.
- THE BLACK HAND

Defending that pick, haha ok buddy. Keep your context.

You need to hit on most of your first round picks if you are going to build a successful team. Let’s see how the Flyers have done over the last decade.

2012 Scott Laughton
Laughton is a serviceable 3rd line forward who can kill penalties. That’s ok, but nothing special for a late first. GRADE C

2013 Sam Morin
Utter bust and a blown opportunity at 11OA in a deep draft. GRADE F

2014 Travis Sanheim
Sanheim is a quality top 4 Dman and a solid mid 1st pick GRADE B

2015 Ivan Provorov & Travis Konecny
Provy is a good player but not a #1 since he needs the right partner to succeed. At 7OA it’s a good, but not great pick. TK is a good 2nd line RW and that’s a nice pickup for a late 1st
GRADES
Provorov B-
Konecny A
Overall B+

2016 German Rubtsov
Another complete bust, GRADE F

2017 Nolan Patrick & Morgan Frost
Patrick was a killer of a bust and Frost, while their is still legit potential, he needs to break out soon and start performing.
GRADES
Patrick F
Frost D+ with potential to improve
Overall D-

2018 Joel Farabee & Jay O’Brien
Farabee has shown flashes of being a very good player but has been prone to both injuries and long slumps. O’Brien has been a bust so far but there is still a slim chance he develops
GRADES
Farabee B-
O’Brien D-
Overall C

2019 Cam York
York is hopefully about to establish himself as an NHL regular and looks to be a solid top 4 player who can QB a pp unit. So far, so good
GRADE B+ (good end up a bit better or worse)

No point rating beyond 2019 as its just to soon to tell. However, over 8 drafts and 11 picks, only one pick rates an “A” while 3 get an F and another is trending in that direction. All in all, it’s just not good enough.

Now add to that Fletchers recent deals and signings and it’s not the least bit surprising that the Flyers are firmly mired in the bottom 10 among NHL teams.
- BiggE

I disagree on Farabee. He has scored the 5th most points from that draft class despite being the 14th overall pick. 2 more points than Kotkaniemi (#3) who has played 67 more games.

Defending that pick, haha ok buddy. Keep your context.
- ClaudeFather

Whos defending? Keep enjoying being a,surface level thinker

Personally, I think it depends on how many picks make it. For instance, from the 2019 draft if York, Brink and Attard all become NHL players, that's a successful draft no matter what happens with the other picks.
- rayc16

I think the team has to win. just because draftpicks make it doesnt mean its a great draft. If the team doesnt win whats the point?

Whos defending? Keep enjoying being a,surface level thinker
- THE BLACK HAND

I’m bringing a lot more to the table than you pal

Whos defending? Keep enjoying being a,surface level thinker
- THE BLACK HAND

I'm not "defending" it either. Merely pointing out that there are very few clear cut alternatives to picking the guy when they did. You can't point to more than a few and say that guy was clearly a better option. Sure he was a high risk pick in the grand scheme, they already had hit by having Farabee fall to them and took a risk picking O'Brien. But as I said, you can only pick who was available and no one in that draft can be looked at as a clear cut bonafide #1 gotta pick him type player. The stats and results bear that out.

No one is arguing they took a chance on his skillset panning out. But to say there was a clear cut no question about it player that was a better choice, to this point, is not the case. Miller, Sandin can be argued, but that is 2 out of 197 players.

Yes, in the end the result will tell the tale if he never makes the NHL. But even if that happens, he will just be one of 169 other players chosen after him who didn't make it either.

I think the team has to win. just because draftpicks make it doesnt mean its a great draft. If the team doesnt win whats the point?
- wbroudy

right, winning cures all. However, to have a sustainable window of opportunity you have to have young and cheap talent coming up along the way. Flyer can't get any of it right.

right, winning cures all. However, to have a sustainable window of opportunity you have to have young and cheap talent coming up along the way. Flyer can't get any of it right.
- rayc16

Yep, all the ratings bear this out. While Chucks drafts are still incomplete IMO, there needs to be a complete reevaluation of the types of players they prioritize. It's clear the old "Flyers type player" model doesn't work in today's NHL.

I'm not "defending" it either. Merely pointing out that there are very few clear cut alternatives to picking the guy when they did. You can't point to more than a few and say that guy was clearly a better option. Sure he was a high risk pick in the grand scheme, they already had hit by having Farabee fall to them and took a risk picking O'Brien. But as I said, you can only pick who was available and no one in that draft can be looked at as a clear cut bonafide #1 gotta pick him type player. The stats and results bear that out.

No one is arguing they took a chance on his skillset panning out. But to say there was a clear cut no question about it player that was a better choice, to this point, is not the case. Miller, Sandin can be argued, but that is 2 out of 197 players.

Yes, in the end the result will tell the tale if he never makes the NHL. But even if that happens, he will just be one of 169 other players chosen after him who didn't make it either.
- MBFlyerfan

You really have to let this O’Brien thing go. When 2/3 players drafted directly after him have already played 50 + games, 1 being better than half of our D core, it’s a horrible pick. Is that context enough for you and Black Hand?

I’m bringing a lot more to the table than you pal
- ClaudeFather

Yeah, like a waiter at medieval themed restaurant. Now go get me my turkey leg, you gigantic nothing

I'm not "defending" it either. Merely pointing out that there are very few clear cut alternatives to picking the guy when they did. You can't point to more than a few and say that guy was clearly a better option. Sure he was a high risk pick in the grand scheme, they already had hit by having Farabee fall to them and took a risk picking O'Brien. But as I said, you can only pick who was available and no one in that draft can be looked at as a clear cut bonafide #1 gotta pick him type player. The stats and results bear that out.

No one is arguing they took a chance on his skillset panning out. But to say there was a clear cut no question about it player that was a better choice, to this point, is not the case. Miller, Sandin can be argued, but that is 2 out of 197 players.

Yes, in the end the result will tell the tale if he never makes the NHL. But even if that happens, he will just be one of 169 other players chosen after him who didn't make it either.
- MBFlyerfan

This is strictly regarding the Rub pick and that draft,but its the same premise

Yeah, like a waiter at medieval themed restaurant. Now go get me my turkey leg, you gigantic nothing
- THE BLACK HAND

Take a lap

Does anyone know why Cutter Gauthier is not playing in this tournament?
- corduroy

Isn't it because of some idiotic NCAA rule or something?

Thought I read that somewhere after he was drafted.

Take a lap
- ClaudeFather

Blahblippityblah hippityhoopla

Wheres my turkey leg

You really have to let this O’Brien thing go. When 2/3 players drafted directly after him have already played 50 + games, 1 being better than half of our D core, it’s a horrible pick. Is that context enough for you and Black Hand?
- ClaudeFather

No not really. All I am saying, respectfully I may add, is that its not many games. Not enough to make any kind of final decision on how good or bad the pick was. Especially considering how many players taken before the pick have over 150 games played, and how many taken after have had less than stellar NHL careers.....so far.

My stance is that it is overstating the point that it was some sort of disastrous pick. We don't agree. It could turn out to be. But I am waiting to see what happens.

I'm moving on.