Hard question to answer as many variables in play.

What if those 2 are always 4th line types?
- furio16

Agree it's difficult to answer. My response was to a post that said regular contributors, which 4th line type are usually fringe players. I used York, Brink, Attard (if all make it) as an example of a successful draft no matter how the rest of the picks in that year do. I would say the same with Provorov-Konecny draft. Now, if your best player in the draft was Hagg, then it's not such a good draft.

Do you think the Flyers sign O'Brien after the college season ends? I think it's a long shot.
- rayc16

O’Brien will be starting his 5th post draft season coming off hip surgery this offseason. If he can finally put together a dominant injury free full season I would say he’s worth an ELC. If this year is more of the same they should take the compensatory 2nd rounder IMO.

When you combine four things out of your control (Pronger's career ending injury, a complete swing and a miss when gifted the 2nd overall pick, the early retirement of Niskanen and what appears to be the premature end to Ellis' career) with four things in their control (the inexplicable, at least in retrospect, signings of Bryzgalov, Lecavalier and Macdonald, the $250k-$500k AAV overpay to at least 4-6 players, the poor job of developing players and/or keeping them healthy enough to develop and the draft pick debacle of swapping out Ghost/Hagg for Risto/DeAngelo) you get this current team.

Let's hope we get some lottery luck next year.
- GeorgeBailey

Lot of things along the way led to this, but Fletcher put about 30 nails in the coffin over the past two years. The Pronger injury to me really put us in that playoff limbo area and the organization never took a corrective action to either fix the roster to compete or gut it. It was purgatory for 7-8 years and then Fletcher happened.

O’Brien will be starting his 5th post draft season coming off hip surgery this offseason. If he can finally put together a dominant injury free full season I would say he’s worth an ELC. If this year is more of the same they should take the compensatory 2nd rounder IMO.
- Djapana

Imagine this is the conversation around a former first rounder, what a horrible pick. Him and Rubstov.

Imagine this is the conversation around a former first rounder, what a horrible pick. Him and Rubstov.
- ClaudeFather

Agree. I hate to use 20/20 hindsight. But O’Brien was a huge gamble at #1. Another case of Hexy being smarter than everyone else. I believe he’s the only player drafted #1 out of the NE prep schools in over a decade. Chris Krieder being the last.

Imagine this is the conversation around a former first rounder, what a horrible pick. Him and Rubstov.
- ClaudeFather

Rubstov was not a horrible pick, it just didnt work out for several reasons....like many mid-late first rounds dont, especially in a weak draft

Andrae also had a filthy toe drag snipe that just barely rang off the crossbar and out in the first period. Very calm and poised and very strong for his size. Outmuscled a player at the blue line for his goal. New kimmo?

Agree. I hate to use 20/20 hindsight. But O’Brien was a huge gamble at #1. Another case of Hexy being smarter than everyone else. I believe he’s the only player drafted #1 out of the NE prep schools in over a decade. Chris Krieder being the last.
- Djapana

Looking at that draft, out of all the players drafted after him, none of them really stand out as being "THE GUY" we should have taken with that pick.

Yes he was a gamble, but then again, looking at the stats from ALL of the players taken after him, most of them look like they would be gambles at this point. Context matters IMO. Out of the 198 players taken after him, only 51 have actually played at least 1 NHL game.

And we did take Joel Farabee at #14 and he turned out to be an excellent pick IMO. 5th most points in that draft class.

Looking at that draft, out of all the players drafted after him, none of them really stand out as being "THE GUY" we should have taken with that pick.

Yes he was a gamble, but then again, looking at the stats from ALL of the players taken after him, most of them look like they would be gambles at this point. Context matters IMO.

And we did take Joel Farabee at #14 and he turned out to be an excellent pick IMO. 5th most points in that draft class.
- MBFlyerfan

Legit the only pick I was angry at. I really wanted Miller

Andrae also had a filthy toe drag snipe that just barely rang off the crossbar and out in the first period. Very calm and poised and very strong for his size. Outmuscled a player at the blue line for his goal. New kimmo?
- Richieattack18

your lips to God ears

Legit the only pick I was angry at. I really wanted Miller
- THE BLACK HAND

Yes and maybe Rasmus Sandin. Both defensemen. Other than that, can you really look at any of them and say, oh we should have picked him?

So everyone is just ignoring that Forrester was a beast in the last Canada game? F This place ...clowns dying to come in here and crap on 18-20 year olds and say that they "suck" but disappear when someone shows out. Like the ones ridiculing kids have actually accomplished anything with their lives.

Hint: If you can say someone in the top 10-15% of all hockey players globally "sucks", then then you show yourself for what you are. These are kids, using the words scrub or suck is just sad for you.

Rubstov was not a horrible pick, it just didnt work out for several reasons....like many mid-late first rounds dont, especially in a weak draft
- THE BLACK HAND

That was a weird one. Lots of teams missed on a lot of guys. Especially late in the first round.

Awful lot of good players deeper in that draft.

Imagine this is the conversation around a former first rounder, what a horrible pick. Him and Rubstov.
- ClaudeFather

I can't argue with Rubstov. Looking at the O'brien draft, who jumps out at you as someone who the Flyers should have absolutely taken instead?

Rubstov was not a horrible pick, it just didnt work out for several reasons....like many mid-late first rounds dont, especially in a weak draft
- THE BLACK HAND

Rubstov was horrible, his last year in the Q he barely stood out. He never stood out ever, or put up significant points. It was a really bad pick.

So everyone is just ignoring that Forrester was a beast in the last Canada game? F This place ...clowns dying to come in here and crap on 18-20 year olds and say that they "suck" but disappear when someone shows out. Like the ones ridiculing kids have actually accomplished anything with their lives.

Hint: If you can say someone in the top 10-15% of all hockey players globally "sucks", then then you show yourself for what you are. These are kids, using the words scrub or suck is just sad for you.
- juiced

Ah yeah I mean he's tied for 12th on the team in scoring through 3 games so.... okay? He's been fine. Nothing to rave about. Not sure who you're arguing with here?

I can't argue with Rubstov. Looking at the O'brien draft, who jumps out at you as someone who the Flyers should have absolutely taken instead?
- MBFlyerfan

Kupari and Miller were drafted like right after him. It was more so that it was such a reach of a pick. Waste of a pick that high.

Kupari and Miller were drafted like right after him. It was more so that it was such a reach of a pick. Waste of a pick that high.
- ClaudeFather

Kupari who has 14 points in 64 games? He may turn out to be a good player.

Miller and Sandin two others.

But the point is, it wasn't a reach. You can only draft who is available, and the stats of those players taken after him prove it is not such a reach as you make it out to be. Plus they hit pretty good on Farabee.

As I said context matters.

Kupari who has 14 points in 64 games? He may turn out to be a good player.

Miller and Sandin two others.

But the point is, it wasn't a reach. You can only draft who is available, and the stats of those players taken after him prove it is not such a reach as you make it out to be. Plus they hit pretty good on Farabee.

As I said context matters.
- MBFlyerfan

trade the pick is an option. Teams always lining up for another 1st.

It was a bad pick. There is your context.

trade the pick is an option. Teams always lining up for another 1st.

It was a bad pick. There is your context.
- hello it's me 2050

Hey that's great.

Kupari who has 14 points in 64 games? He may turn out to be a good player.

Miller and Sandin two others.

But the point is, it wasn't a reach. You can only draft who is available, and the stats of those players taken after him prove it is not such a reach as you make it out to be. Plus they hit pretty good on Farabee.

As I said context matters.
- MBFlyerfan

Ones broken into the NHL and the other is a bum on his fifth year of collegiate hockey. Morgan frost, 16 points in 55 games. Point is there were NHL players drafted literally right after him.

Ones broken into the NHL and the other is a bum on his fifth year of collegiate hockey. Morgan frost, 16 points in 55 games. Point is there were NHL players drafted literally right after him.
- ClaudeFather

ok

Hey that's great.
- MBFlyerfan

Very much so. stronzo

ok

- MBFlyerfan

If it makes you guys feel better, since 2014 the Habs only have 5 draft picks that played 100 or more games at the NHL level and the only one still with the team is Jake Evans.

The others:
Kotkaniemi, Sergachev, Victor Mete and Alexander Romanov.

Looking at that draft, out of all the players drafted after him, none of them really stand out as being "THE GUY" we should have taken with that pick.

Yes he was a gamble, but then again, looking at the stats from ALL of the players taken after him, most of them look like they would be gambles at this point. Context matters IMO. Out of the 198 players taken after him, only 51 have actually played at least 1 NHL game.

And we did take Joel Farabee at #14 and he turned out to be an excellent pick IMO. 5th most points in that draft class.
- MBFlyerfan

Well maybe not “The Guy” but Miller, Sandin and Lundestrom have all proven to be NHL players with good looking futures. Nobody drafted after him in round 1 is still without an ELC. It’s tough to argue that he’s not the worst player in round 1 so far but I hope it turns around for him.