Too soon to tell how the Flyers have drafted under Chuck, the complaint from me is he gives too many of them away.
- rayc16

Gives too many away and what he gets in return…

Do they? (Honest question)
- MBFlyerfan

Yes if you count as "missing on a draft pick" as players who are constantly hurt and can't seem to handle the rigors of professional hockey, of which the Flyers have an abundance.

Do they? (Honest question)


edit:

NM found a link.

Flyers 26th since 2005 according to the Athletic. Pretty bad.

https://theathletic.com/2...est-and-worst-since-2005/
- MBFlyerfan

Gives too many away and what he gets in return…
- landros 2

so true

No one with any sense thinks that every pick, especially late round picks are going to be hits or even sniff the NHL for the most part.

Anyone who understands drafting, regardless of who did the drafting, knows that hitting on any player after the first 2 rounds is basically a miracle. And the later you pick in every round in every draft, the odds increase exponentially. Complaining about it is like this......


- MBFlyerfan

Who is complaining? Merely pointing out 2 more wasted picks by the prior regime. Escremento.

Constantly missing is why the FLyers are in the mess they are in, though keep making excuses.

Too soon to tell how the Flyers have drafted under Chuck, the complaint from me is he gives too many of them away.
- rayc16

point is in 4 years or whatever time if he doesn't sign one of his 4th or 6th rd picks peeps would be all over him.

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- bmeltzer

Does anyone know why Cutter Gauthier is not playing in this tournament?

- Letterkenney

26th seems about right to me. I did not open the article. Since the cap was implemented they have tried to pretend it didn't exist for them. They've had two trips to the conference finals and one trip to the finals. Made it out of the first round only three other times.

Need to keep the picks for them to help you. Need to hit on a higher percentage when you use them.

Does anyone know why Cutter Gauthier is not playing in this tournament?
- corduroy

Not good enough?

Does anyone know why Cutter Gauthier is not playing in this tournament?
- corduroy

I was a little surprised….but I would think age and a very deep group of 19-20 year olds made it a numbers game.

Does anyone know why Cutter Gauthier is not playing in this tournament?
- corduroy

Only 18, and these teams are made up of mostly 19 and 20 year olds. I think Logan Cooley is the only one on the roster from this most recent draft class.

What do you consider a successful draft?
- rayc16

While this is a matter of conjecture, I'd have to say that getting at least 1 player, preferably 2, to be a regular contributor at the NHL level. And the higher the pick, the more of a contributor they should be. Instead, we've gotten a complete bust at #2, burned first rounders on the likes of O'Brien and others that were a complete stretch, and then have had nothing short of a long parade to the LTIR for many others. Other than Provy, I can't think of another player they've drafted in the top 20 that's a regular top contributor. Maybe I'm missing one other. And granted, the jury is still out on Frost, Allison, Foerster, Wisdom, etc.

Edit: Add Farabee to the list of contributors, though he seems injury prone, as well.

I think he has a great chance. I always thought smallish d never had much of a chance….but guys like Fox, Macavoy and of course Makar have blown that notion away. Sure it would be nice if he was “6,2”, but I think guys like him and York now have a real shot in today’s NHL.
- landros 2

I would add Kimmo and Brian Rafalski to the list

Which Holmgren? The one that rebuilt the team on the fly or the one that struggled once Pronger went down? I'll take the former in a heart beat.
- rayc16

Homer and Hexy both get credit for digging themselves out of the messes their predecessors left behind, but I don't get the feeling like either of them would have ever been able to get the team over the hump.

Homer just did too much, and made too many mistakes, and he just didn't fundamentally understand the salary cap.

Hexy was more measured and got the cap under control, but Hakstol and JVR were the wrong bets.

And neither of them were ever able to draft any top-tier elite talents.

They both leave Chuck Fletcher so far in the dust it isn't even funny tho.

I was a little surprised….but I would think age and a very deep group of 19-20 year olds made it a numbers game.
- landros 2

I am actually a little surprised Slafkovsky and Nemec aren't playing for Slovakia. But it's the same thing I guess, 18 year olds rarely make the rosters unless you are Eric Lindros or Connor Bedard etc. .

Does anyone know why Cutter Gauthier is not playing in this tournament?
- corduroy

Cutter isn't a world class player at the moment. He's a project.

And it's the U20, not the U18.

Only 18, and these teams are made up of mostly 19 and 20 year olds. I think Logan Cooley is the only one on the roster from this most recent draft class.
- MBFlyerfan

Thanks

I would add Kimmo and Brian Rafalski to the list
- missingmike

Agreed…but they were the exception not the norm. I see a lot of the way York positions himself the way Kimmo did for sure….how he avoids bigger players while still remaining effective, how he positions himself while defending in front of the net. He’s not where a savvy vet like Kimmo was but he has a ton of time to get there, and I believe has the talent to do it.

I am actually a little surprised Slafkovsky and Nemec aren't playing for Slovakia. But it's the same thing I guess, 18 year olds rarely make the rosters unless you are Eric Lindros or Connor Bedard etc. .
- MBFlyerfan

A little different with those two….they both turned down participation to prepare for the NHL training camps.

point is in 4 years or whatever time if he doesn't sign one of his 4th or 6th rd picks peeps would be all over him.
- hello it's me 2050

Personally, I think it depends on how many picks make it. For instance, from the 2019 draft if York, Brink and Attard all become NHL players, that's a successful draft no matter what happens with the other picks.

Personally, I think it depends on how many picks make it. For instance, from the 2019 draft if York, Brink and Attard all become NHL players, that's a successful draft no matter what happens with the other picks.
- rayc16

I agree… and think all 3 of those guys are going to be decent NHL players.

Homer and Hexy both get credit for digging themselves out of the messes their predecessors left behind, but I don't get the feeling like either of them would have ever been able to get the team over the hump.

Homer just did too much, and made too many mistakes, and he just didn't fundamentally understand the salary cap.

Hexy was more measured and got the cap under control, but Hakstol and JVR were the wrong bets.

And neither of them were ever able to draft any top-tier elite talents.

They both leave Chuck Fletcher so far in the dust it isn't even funny tho.
- Tomahawk

Homer was pretty close to getting them over the hump but then chased it too much. I think Hakstol did better than most people believe he did but Hextall's unwillingness to move on from him was an issue. I put JVR and Hayes in the same group, not that their the same type of player but neither was worth the salary given. This organization seems to compound their mistakes rather than moving on from them and starting over.

While this is a matter of conjecture, I'd have to say that getting at least 1 player, preferably 2, to be a regular contributor at the NHL level. And the higher the pick, the more of a contributor they should be. Instead, we've gotten a complete bust at #2, burned first rounders on the likes of O'Brien and others that were a complete stretch, and then have had nothing short of a long parade to the LTIR for many others. Other than Provy, I can't think of another player they've drafted in the top 20 that's a regular top contributor. Maybe I'm missing one other. And granted, the jury is still out on Frost, Allison, Foerster, Wisdom, etc.

Edit: Add Farabee to the list of contributors, though he seems injury prone, as well.
- Letterkenney

I agree 2 NHL players from a draft should be considered successful. I don't particularly care where they were drafted, but you have a much better chance the higher the picks obviously. Sanheim was drafted in the top 20, Konency just outside. York, still not proven, but looks to be a solid pick. Won't get into the Patrick thing but Rubstov and O'Brien seem to be complete busts.

I agree 2 NHL players from a draft should be considered successful. I don't particularly care where they were drafted, but you have a much better chance the higher the picks obviously. Sanheim was drafted in the top 20, Konency just outside. York, still not proven, but looks to be a solid pick. Won't get into the Patrick thing but Rubstov and O'Brien seem to be complete busts.
- rayc16

Rubtsov is a complete bust but O'Brien is still in college hockey and has yet to play a professional game. He is a long shot but the door is not shut. Definitely not a typical path for a first rounder.

Homer and Hexy both get credit for digging themselves out of the messes their predecessors left behind, but I don't get the feeling like either of them would have ever been able to get the team over the hump.

Homer just did too much, and made too many mistakes, and he just didn't fundamentally understand the salary cap.

Hexy was more measured and got the cap under control, but Hakstol and JVR were the wrong bets.

And neither of them were ever able to draft any top-tier elite talents.

They both leave Chuck Fletcher so far in the dust it isn't even funny tho.
- Tomahawk

Is Makar in the dust somewhere? Maybe Hexy was too concerned he might turn out to be the next Bobby Orr and that would not jive with his amazing cap management strategy..

You can’t claim your GM managed the cap well when they could not win and we are still paying the price for his mismanagement today including and especially cap management. Let’s stop w the 27 was some kinda money ball genius. He sat on his hands most of the time while muzzling his entire org. Are we still defending Ron Hextall the GM here? Seriously…