A fair question. Why would the current Flyers being a non playoff team be a negative? My answer is that if the Flyer’s stars align and every favorable outcome occurs, the highly unlikely to the outlandish, and they somehow, someway make it not only to the playoffs but into a deep series in the eastern conference finals, then that would be the better ending—Better than finishing 7-8th worst with those lottery odds and a single high draft pick. To be clear, I do not think this will happen, but I am stating that I believe this to be the more positive result because of what it would mean to become a reality.
- NC Flyers Fan

To be clear I never WANT to actively root for a loss. However I won't be upset. I would much rather pick in the top 3 than to get trounced in the first round no matter much I love Flyers playoff hockey.

This organization needs a reset in the worst way.

BedHard flyer bound of course!!!! But if orange 🍊 and black win him, I'm sure he will get headaches 😩

It would be much easier for you at admit that you overreacted and were wrong. That you made something out of nothing and were outclassed in the conversation. Your replies have moved off of the subject matter into a petty claim that a word was not understood, through personal insults and now, to a completely unrelated point. This a pattern that you have when you have been proven wrong.
- MJL

I don’t like it at all when PT does this to you, me or anyone else on here. However, the experience is a bit like a samurai warrior with their swords being poked with long q-tips. Strange. He does say interesting things as well though.

To be clear I never WANT to actively root for a loss. However I won't be upset. I would much rather pick in the top 3 than to get trounced in the first round no matter much I love Flyers playoff hockey.

This organization needs a reset in the worst way.
- Pelle31Forever

Agreed, a first-round trouncing would not help.

Fun in the summer sun…because there is not a lot to talk about, here is some fun for discussion. I will post the defense tomorrow.

Of course, I hope other young players do get opportunities this season; however, I have only included the 12 forwards (for a 23 man roster) with the darkest pencil markings in most paper lineups. Projections are reflective of the previous injuries that have hampered production and the team-wide downturn over the last two seasons.

Couturier - 18
JVR - 23
TK - 20
Atkinson - 17
Farabee (inj.) - 15
Hayes - 17
Laughton - 11
Tippett - 13
N. Cates - 18
Frost - 14
Deslauriers - 8
Brown - 6

1. On each of these Flyer’s forwards, would you bet the “over” or “under” on goals scored in the upcoming ’22-‘23 season?
2. Based on what you expect each of them to score, would your total for the forward group be more or less?
- NC Flyers Fan

I read Cates at 18 and automatically I didn’t wanna play anymore. This kid better meet whatever expectations some of you have.

Fun in the summer sun…because there is not a lot to talk about, here is some fun for discussion. I will post the defense tomorrow.

Of course, I hope other young players do get opportunities this season; however, I have only included the 12 forwards (for a 23 man roster) with the darkest pencil markings in most paper lineups. Projections are reflective of the previous injuries that have hampered production and the team-wide downturn over the last two seasons.

Couturier - 18
JVR - 23
TK - 20
Atkinson - 17
Farabee (inj.) - 15
Hayes - 17
Laughton - 11
Tippett - 13
N. Cates - 18
Frost - 14
Deslauriers - 8
Brown - 6

1. On each of these Flyer’s forwards, would you bet the “over” or “under” on goals scored in the upcoming ’22-‘23 season?
2. Based on what you expect each of them to score, would your total for the forward group be more or less?
- NC Flyers Fan

Here are my own:

1.
Couturier - 18 (over) +5
JVR - 23 (on)
TK - 20 (over) +4
Atkinson - 17 (on)
Farabee (inj.) - 15 (over) +3
Hayes - 17 (over) +3
Laughton - 11 (on)
Tippett - 13 (on)
N. Cates - 18 (under) -6
Frost - 14 (on)
Deslauriers - 8 (under) -4
Brown - 6 (under) -3

2. More by 2 goals

How come no one is answering question #2? Need some edits.

I read Cates at 18 and automatically I didn’t wanna play anymore. This kid better meet whatever expectations some of you have.
- SuperSchennBros

18 seems like a big reach but the kid should be a good 3rd line LW.

I read Cates at 18 and automatically I didn’t wanna play anymore. This kid better meet whatever expectations some of you have.
- SuperSchennBros

I think this expectation (18) would be too high, but not including N. Cates seems too low a position since he appears to have a higher upside than many of the vets.

I think this expectation (18) would be too high, but not including N. Cates seems too low a position since he appears to have a higher upside than many of the vets.
- NC Flyers Fan

Well for starters, if the roster is healthy, we already have a full roster even without Noah Cates on it. Cates hasn’t made the team yet. Add the fact that if Cates can remotely reach the expectations of an 18 goal season, that would probably make him already a better player than both Frost and Tippett.

Well for starters, if the roster is healthy, we already have a full roster even without Noah Cates on it. Cates hasn’t made the team yet. Add the fact that if Cates can remotely reach the expectations of an 18 goal season, that would probably make him already a better player than both Frost and Tippett.
- SuperSchennBros

I don’t know, but maybe he is. Or similar ceiling to their floor situation.

Edit: the short answer on the roster is that it does not assume a fully healthy roster. It kind of goes with expected games played, spread out so all of these players play most games.

The Torts pressers will be entertaining to say the least. Torts can't improve the talent on the ice, but maybe he can come up with a game plan that will actually fit the talent or lack of talent on this team? There were too many times when players stood around and puck watched, instead of moving their feet and getting into proper position on the ice. Hopefully Torts can work on this for the upcoming season?

Fun in the summer sun…
- NC Flyers Fan

Couturier - 18 (over)
JVR - 23 (under)
TK - 20 (under)
Atkinson - 17 (over)
Farabee (inj.) - 15 (push)
Hayes - 17 (push)
Laughton - 11 (push)
Tippett - 13 (over)
N. Cates - 18 (under)
Frost - 14 (push)
Deslauriers - 8 (under)
Brown - 6 (under)

Couturier - 18 (over)
JVR - 23 (under)
TK - 20 (under)
Atkinson - 17 (over)
Farabee (inj.) - 15 (push)
Hayes - 17 (push)
Laughton - 11 (push)
Tippett - 13 (over)
N. Cates - 18 (under)
Frost - 14 (push)
Deslauriers - 8 (under)
Brown - 6 (under)
- Scoob

Agree with all, but would go under on Tippet and Frost, esp. Tippet.

Well for starters, if the roster is healthy, we already have a full roster even without Noah Cates on it. Cates hasn’t made the team yet. Add the fact that if Cates can remotely reach the expectations of an 18 goal season, that would probably make him already a better player than both Frost and Tippett.
- SuperSchennBros

Being better than Frost or Tippet is easily attainable. Not a high bar. Cates I do not see getting 18 goals though won’t be shocked in the least if he becomes the better of the 3. He is very smart player. Puts himself in the right position.

Who is on your full roster of healthy?

I don’t like it at all when PT does this to you, me or anyone else on here. However, the experience is a bit like a samurai warrior with their swords being poked with long q-tips. Strange. He does say interesting things as well though.

- NC Flyers Fan

All I was trying to say is that if we want to regress in the standings, then is it so bad we have an incompetent GM who is (intentionally or inadvertently - doesn't matter) helping us go that way?

Fun in the summer sun…because there is not a lot to talk about, here is some fun for discussion. I will post the defense tomorrow.

Of course, I hope other young players do get opportunities this season; however, I have only included the 12 forwards (for a 23 man roster) with the darkest pencil markings in most paper lineups. Projections are reflective of the previous injuries that have hampered production and the team-wide downturn over the last two seasons.

Couturier - 18
JVR - 23
TK - 20
Atkinson - 17
Farabee (inj.) - 15
Hayes - 17
Laughton - 11
Tippett - 13
N. Cates - 18
Frost - 14
Deslauriers - 8
Brown - 6

1. On each of these Flyer’s forwards, would you bet the “over” or “under” on goals scored in the upcoming ’22-‘23 season?
2. Based on what you expect each of them to score, would your total for the forward group be more or less?
- NC Flyers Fan

Coots 18 over
JVR. 23 Even
TK. 20 Under
Atkinson. 17. Over
Farabee. 15. Under
Hayes 17. Even
Laughton. 11. Under
Tippet. 13. Over
Cates. 18. Under
Frost 14. Under
Delauriers 8. Under
Brown. 6. Under

All I was trying to say is that if we want to regress in the standings, then is it so bad we have an incompetent GM who is (intentionally or inadvertently - doesn't matter) helping us go that way?
- PT21

Stop with the intentional stuff. It ain’t intentional in any way.

Agree with all, but would go under on Tippet and Frost, esp. Tippet.
- PT21

And Tippet’s my guess for a bit of a breakout….

All I was trying to say is that if we want to regress in the standings, then is it so bad we have an incompetent GM who is (intentionally or inadvertently - doesn't matter) helping us go that way?
- PT21

I am guessing that most folks are concerned that if the situation is due to incompetence, why should we trust/believe that same incompetence will make great decisions leading to the building of a sustainable contender in the future.

Stop with the intentional stuff. It ain’t intentional in any way.
- furio16

Agreed. Fletcher was intentionally trying to improve the team. He has failed miserably. The poster was trying to offer an alternative of defending Fletcher. His final statement in the post was "All in all, he might just about have done his best to nudge the team downwards from what on paper is probably a #8 pick." As if Fletcher was instituting a cloaked tank.

I am guessing that most folks are concerned that if the situation is due to incompetence, why should we trust/believe that same incompetence will make great decisions leading to the building of a sustainable contender in the future.
- NC Flyers Fan

With the exception of the new coaching staff. They deserve a chance. Flyers fans should have zero trust or belief in the entire organization.

Bedard is insane.

I am guessing that most folks are concerned that if the situation is due to incompetence, why should we trust/believe that same incompetence will make great decisions leading to the building of a sustainable contender in the future.
- NC Flyers Fan

There is no guarantee at all, but we have so many problems, lets worry about that one when we get to it.

And Tippet’s my guess for a bit of a breakout….
- landros 2

Ah yeah? He looks great up until the finish.

There is no guarantee at all, but we have so many problems, lets worry about that one when we get to it.
- PT21

The future starts today. We're there.