Put in the requisite " " that normally signals to us that the resident loony has flown off his daily handle, concrete cranium.
- PT21

I rest my case.

Well he didn't do enough to move "fast" enough. Not getting into any Hextall debate as he did substandard job while the GM.

I don't recall the fanbase really reacting any particular way.
- furio16

You seriously don't recall the fanbase being impatient during those years?

More draft picks and don’t miss…more ammo to use or trade and don’t miss with picks and trades. The positive to me is they have Torts now and there is the possibility of there being an actual foundation to build upon. The foundation would primarily be the best of Hextall’s picks. I am going to say a shocker that as much and as highly I think of Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds, it is still possible that Hart, Farabee, Provy and others have a bigger impact.
- NC Flyers Fan

I still believe in Hart, Provorov and Farabee. I like these players and most importantly, I have no choice but to believe in them. They’re all we have. I’m not even a Travis Konency fan but I do believe him to be a good player. Konency however is one of three players I’d be shopping because I think you can get real value for him or package him with something that brings something better back.

More draft picks and don’t miss…more ammo to use or trade and don’t miss with picks and trades. The positive to me is they have Torts now and there is the possibility of there being an actual foundation to build upon. The foundation would primarily be the best of Hextall’s picks. I am going to say a shocker that as much and as highly I think of Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds, it is still possible that Hart, Farabee, Provy and others have a bigger impact.
- NC Flyers Fan

Giroux is a borderline hall of fame player and arguably one of the top 10 players in franchise history. Voracek is 5th all time in assists as a Flyer. Simmonds was a 30 goal, 60 point forward in his prime. I have no doubt that players drafted by Hextall can be part of the future core of a quality team. However barring an unexpected uptick in a players development. I don't see any of those players being the players that are at the fore front of the team developing and carrying them into becoming a true contender.

Giroux is a borderline hall of fame player and arguably one of the top 10 players in franchise history. Voracek is 5th all time in assists as a Flyer. Simmonds was a 30 goal, 60 point forward in his prime. I have no doubt that players drafted by Hextall can be part of the future core of a quality team. However barring an unexpected uptick in a players development. I don't see any of those players being the players that are at the fore front of the team developing and carrying them into becoming a true contender.
- MJL

There is still time but this is tough to argue.

Yes, I also strongly feel that being upfront that they need to raze and rebuild is the best plan of action as far as winning goes. And yes, I do think a large chunk of the fanbase would indeed buy into it. From a PR perspective, this would be a breath of fresh air.

So, why don't they? All around them, teams are doing just that. Even storied teams, Original Six teams. However dumb they are, it seems really far-fetched that they would still think that treading water will lead to contention down the line. It just beggars belief.

That is why I keep coming back to the rationale that Scott is not willing to take the dip in earnings their internal figures suggest will occur, and obviously, this is also something then that cannot be confessed. I normally don't like conspiracy theories but logic seems to point to that.
- PT21

It coming down to fear and money is so disappointing and disgusting to me. Believing in their incompetence is kind but might be enabling if incorrect.

Funny story on NHL.com. Lehrner has season ending surgery. Almost like LV is the once feel-good story that we all love to watch falter now. So this is funny (not that the man is hurt) but that LVGK took another hit and now need a goalie. 🤣😂🤣😞😀
- mikeyo27

ditching Fleury was a bad move that continues to haunt

Yes, I also strongly feel that being upfront that they need to raze and rebuild is the best plan of action as far as winning goes. And yes, I do think a large chunk of the fanbase would indeed buy into it. From a PR perspective, this would be a breath of fresh air.

So, why don't they? All around them, teams are doing just that. Even storied teams, Original Six teams. However dumb they are, it seems really far-fetched that they would still think that treading water will lead to contention down the line. It just beggars belief.

That is why I keep coming back to the rationale that Scott is not willing to take the dip in earnings their internal figures suggest will occur, and obviously, this is also something then that cannot be confessed. I normally don't like conspiracy theories but logic seems to point to that.
- PT21

Logic to me seems to point to being incompetent.

You seriously don't recall the fanbase being impatient during those years?
- MJL

Not to the extent I believe you think. The NHL product was bad. He wasn't doing much to address that issue and he wasn't rebuilding.

Some level of impatience it was understandable as he didn't have much of a plan either.

I am sure you disagree. Hextall isn't here any longer. He was rightfully fired. I will leave it at that.

It coming down to fear and money is so disappointing and disgusting to me. Believing in their incompetence is kind but might be enabling if incorrect.
- NC Flyers Fan

Scott is a guy who was the CFO of all of Comcast, as well as one of a handful of regional heads, both stints at times of explosive growth for the company. This job is a kind of a sinecure for him, but its not a retirement gig. However much you may point to CF's vapid incompetence w/ the Wild, there is NOTHING in Scott's resume that suggests he is unwilling/unable to take pragmatic/ruthless/clear sighted decisions.

So, here is another, less odious theory. Scott agreed that Hexy needed to go. The franchise believed then that Flyers were ready to take the next step. Scott did too. CF's first steps (Hayes, Nisky) were in line with this.

Then it fell apart, and there was Covid, plus injuries. He is being kind to CF and giving him some more time because CF was largely acting out Scott/Old-Boy's own ideas and Scott thinks some things were honest mistakes and pure bad luck.

Giroux is a borderline hall of fame player and arguably one of the top 10 players in franchise history. Voracek is 5th all time in assists as a Flyer. Simmonds was a 30 goal, 60 point forward in his prime. I have no doubt that players drafted by Hextall can be part of the future core of a quality team. However barring an hunexpected uptick in a players development. I don't see any of those players being the players that are at the fore front of the team developing and carrying them into becoming a true contender.
- MJL

I think it is possible but hasn’t shown itself, you are right to mention that. I do think though that it is more about the defense vs. offense argument and somewhat the structure of the foundation. Answering the question: can it be done fast enough for the fans to see progress? So Hextall started with only offensive elite players. It is well-accepted that goaltending and defense take longer to develop. Fletcher is starting with fledgling goaltending and young defense. It is possible then the offense can come faster on that foundation rather than the other way around.

Giroux is a borderline hall of fame player and arguably one of the top 10 players in franchise history. Voracek is 5th all time in assists as a Flyer. Simmonds was a 30 goal, 60 point forward in his prime. I have no doubt that players drafted by Hextall can be part of the future core of a quality team. However barring an unexpected uptick in a players development. I don't see any of those players being the players that are at the fore front of the team developing and carrying them into becoming a true contender.
- MJL

So in other Barring an unexpected uptick in development those players are not a good core.

Take the Flyers (insert a number) and compare that "core" to all the other teams. They are in no mans land.

I rest my case.

- MJL

The case never rose to need to rest, your honor.

Here is a thought. Try saying something original and starting a discussion. 99.99% of your 20,000 posts are reactions to what people say.

Your last original (not reacting to someone) post was in 2012, I think? That means your quota of once a decade originality is as of now unfulfilled.

Scott is a guy who was the CFO of all of Comcast, as well as one of a handful of regional heads, both stints at times of explosive growth for the company. This job is a kind of a sinecure for him, but its not a retirement gig. However much you may point to CF's vapid incompetence w/ the Wild, there is NOTHING in Scott's resume that suggests he is unwilling/unable to take pragmatic/ruthless/clear sighted decisions.

So, here is another, less odious theory. Scott agreed that Hexy needed to go. The franchise believed then that Flyers were ready to take the next step. Scott did too. CF's first steps (Hayes, Nisky) were in line with this.

Then it fell apart, and there was Covid, plus injuries. He is being kind to CF and giving him some more time because CF was largely acting out Scott/Old-Boy's own ideas and Scott thinks some things were honest mistakes and pure bad luck.
- PT21

Yes, this is the one I like best, but it doesn’t stop me from exploring all the possibilities.

Yes, this is the one I like best, but it doesn’t stop me from exploring all the possibilities.
- NC Flyers Fan

Here is another for you before I run.

Scott is playing Jerry Jones. He thinks hockey administration is easy and he has unfulfilled potential there. He is keeping CF around because CF is weak and pliant, will not contradict him, and is a convenient front for his own uninformed ideas.

Here is another for you before I run.

Scott is playing Jerry Jones. He thinks hockey administration is easy and he has unfulfilled potential there. He is keeping CF around because CF is weak and pliant, will not contradict him, and is a convenient front for his own uninformed ideas.
- PT21

Ewww

So in other Barring an unexpected uptick in development those players are not a good core.

Take the Flyers (insert a number) and compare that "core" to all the other teams. They are in no mans land.
- furio16

By themselves without an elite component. It's not a core that can reach legitimate cup contention. However they can certainly be part of a core that reaches that level.

Fun in the summer sun…because there is not a lot to talk about, here is some fun for discussion. I will post the defense tomorrow.

Of course, I hope other young players do get opportunities this season; however, I have only included the 12 forwards (for a 23 man roster) with the darkest pencil markings in most paper lineups. Projections are reflective of the previous injuries that have hampered production and the team-wide downturn over the last two seasons.

Couturier - 18
JVR - 23
TK - 20
Atkinson - 17
Farabee (inj.) - 15
Hayes - 17
Laughton - 11
Tippett - 13
N. Cates - 18
Frost - 14
Deslauriers - 8
Brown - 6

1. On each of these Flyer’s forwards, would you bet the “over” or “under” on goals scored in the upcoming ’22-‘23 season?
2. Based on what you expect each of them to score, would your total for the forward group be more or less?

More draft picks and don’t miss…more ammo to use or trade and don’t miss with picks and trades. The positive to me is they have Torts now and there is the possibility of there being an actual foundation to build upon. The foundation would primarily be the best of Hextall’s picks. I am going to say a shocker that as much and as highly I think of Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds, it is still possible that Hart, Farabee, Provy and others have a bigger impact.
- NC Flyers Fan

The last part of this post couldn’t be further from the truth.

The case never rose to need to rest, your honor.

Here is a thought. Try saying something original and starting a discussion. 99.99% of your 20,000 posts are reactions to what people say.

Your last original (not reacting to someone) post was in 2012, I think? That means your quota of once a decade originality is as of now unfulfilled.
- PT21

It would be much easier for you at admit that you overreacted and were wrong. That you made something out of nothing and were outclassed in the conversation. Your replies have moved off of the subject matter into a petty claim that a word was not understood, through personal insults and now, to a completely unrelated point. This a pattern that you have when you have been proven wrong.

Fun in the summer sun…because there is not a lot to talk about, here is some fun for discussion. I will post the defense tomorrow.

Of course, I hope other young players do get opportunities this season; however, I have only included the 12 forwards (for a 23 man roster) with the darkest pencil markings in most paper lineups. Projections are reflective of the previous injuries that have hampered production and the team-wide downturn over the last two seasons.

Couturier - 18 over
JVR - 23 under
TK - 20 under
Atkinson - 17 over
Farabee (inj.) - 15 n/a
Hayes - 17 over
Laughton - 11 under
Tippett - 13 over
N. Cates - 18 under
Frost - 14 under
Deslauriers - 8 under
Brown - 6 under

1. On each of these Flyer’s forwards, would you bet the “over” or “under” on goals scored in the upcoming ’22-‘23 season?
2. Based on what you expect each of them to score, would your total for the forward group be more or less?
- NC Flyers Fan

Ton of unders
Edit : TK over

Fun in the summer sun…because there is not a lot to talk about, here is some fun for discussion. I will post the defense tomorrow.

Of course, I hope other young players do get opportunities this season; however, I have only included the 12 forwards (for a 23 man roster) with the darkest pencil markings in most paper lineups. Projections are reflective of the previous injuries that have hampered production and the team-wide downturn over the last two seasons.

Couturier - 18
JVR - 23
TK - 20
Atkinson - 17
Farabee (inj.) - 15
Hayes - 17
Laughton - 11
Tippett - 13
N. Cates - 18
Frost - 14
Deslauriers - 8
Brown - 6

1. On each of these Flyer’s forwards, would you bet the “over” or “under” on goals scored in the upcoming ’22-‘23 season?
2. Based on what you expect each of them to score, would your total for the forward group be more or less?
- NC Flyers Fan

Barring injury of course>>>(over means I think they score more)

Couturier - 18 (over)
JVR - 23 (under)
TK - 20 (over)
Atkinson - 17 (over)
Farabee (inj.) - 15 (over)
Hayes - 17 (under)
Laughton - 11 (over)
Tippett - 13 (under)
N. Cates - 18 (under)
Frost - 14 (under)
Deslauriers - 8 (under)
Brown - 6 (under)


The forward group will score more simply because we will have a healthy Couturier and Hayes.

Not to the extent I believe you think. The NHL product was bad. He wasn't doing much to address that issue and he wasn't rebuilding.

Some level of impatience it was understandable as he didn't have much of a plan either.

I am sure you disagree. Hextall isn't here any longer. He was rightfully fired. I will leave it at that.
- furio16

My position on Hextall is well documented. Agree to disagree.

So, here is another, less odious theory. Scott agreed that Hexy needed to go. The franchise believed then that Flyers were ready to take the next step. Scott did too. CF's first steps (Hayes, Nisky) were in line with this.

Then it fell apart, and there was Covid, plus injuries. He is being kind to CF and giving him some more time because CF was largely acting out Scott/Old-Boy's own ideas and Scott thinks some things were honest mistakes and pure bad luck.
- PT21

This is what I think is going on.

Fun in the summer sun…because there is not a lot to talk about, here is some fun for discussion. I will post the defense tomorrow.

Couturier - 18 over
JVR - 23 under
TK - 20 over
Atkinson - 17 over
Farabee (inj.) - 15 over
Hayes - 17 under
Laughton - 11 under
Tippett - 13 under
N. Cates - 18 under
Frost - 14 under
Deslauriers - 8 under
Brown - 6 under


- NC Flyers Fan