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The ice girls

Funny story on NHL.com. Lehrner has season ending surgery. Almost like LV is the once feel-good story that we all love to watch falter now. So this is funny (not that the man is hurt) but that LVGK took another hit and now need a goalie. 🤣😂🤣😞😀
- mikeyo27

Kinda disgraceful Vegas’ treatment of Fleury, a future hall of famer. Vegas targeted him as the player to build around and in my opinion Fleury did his job well. Imagine being a brand new franchise having massive success only to get sick of their franchise player two or three years later. And for what? Smiling too often?

The only relevant context here is that you don't know what the phrase devil's advocate means.

"a person who advocates an opposing or unpopular cause for the sake of argument or to expose it to a thorough examination."

The fact that CF is a very poor GM at a time when a very poor GM may unintentionally nudge us in the direction we want to be nudged and is thus a blessing in disguise seems to me a valid discussion to be had.
- PT21

Actually the relevant context is that you have again made an asinine assumption that someone doesn't understand what Devils advocate means. While you yourself ,apparently doesn't understand what offering a defense of someone means. It's quite hysterical. Offering a defense of someone as a devils advocate would be taking an unpopular or opposing viewpoint in support of the person. What a fool.

Duh, dude

- PT21

No, I am fully confident that I can handle the truth. This idea that the Flyer’s fanbase as a whole would not fully support a rebuild if it is well-articulated and deemed the only viable path to success is just bolognese. Everyone can understand the “lose the battle to win the war” concept.

nah...bedrock is solid...nothing solid about this team right now
- Scoob

Why?

I realize it is extremely likely; however, what part of it do you identify as the positive? Why is this position positive in your opinion?
- NC Flyers Fan

How is it not?

Maybe not positive but cautiously optimistic Konecny scores 30+ this season.

No, I am fully confident that I can handle the truth. This idea that the Flyer’s fanbase as a whole would not fully support a rebuild if it is well-articulated and deemed the only viable path to success is just bolognese. Everyone can understand the “lose the battle to win the war” concept.
- NC Flyers Fan

Agreed but there would have to be incremental forward progress in a relatively short period of time. Which I don't know if that's possible. Not like it was under Hextall. Fans have a short patience threshold.

LMAO. The very context of your post is that it is a defense of Fletcher.

You don't have the personal insight to realize that your repeated attempts at insults towards me have no weight and no meaning to me whatsoever.
- MJL

The dude had a post that was pointing out silly moves more in jest more then then stating they were awesome moves.
He is then again kinda joking about CF more failing upward on accident but his accidents may cost us draft position.

Why do you argue every single post so vehemently ...????
Did your mommy not show you enough love?

Agreed but there would have to be incremental forward progress in a relatively short period of time. Which I don't know if that's possible. Not like it was under Hextall. Fans have a short patience threshold.
- MJL

Just curious why do you seem to bring up Hextall a lot? He is gone. 4 years now?

No, I am fully confident that I can handle the truth. This idea that the Flyer’s fanbase as a whole would not fully support a rebuild if it is well-articulated and deemed the only viable path to success is just bolognese. Everyone can understand the “lose the battle to win the war” concept.
- NC Flyers Fan

MMMMMMM Bolognese!!!

Just curious why do you seem to bring up Hextall a lot? He is gone. 4 years now?
- furio16

Actually I don't bring up Hextall a lot. Others do and I respond. I think when looking at the willingness of the fan base to accept a rebuild and to have patience. How the fanbase reacted during the Hextall years is relevant. It did not move forward fast enough overall for their taste. Right or wrong.

How is it not?
- Pelle31Forever

A fair question. Why would the current Flyers being a non playoff team be a negative? My answer is that if the Flyer’s stars align and every favorable outcome occurs, the highly unlikely to the outlandish, and they somehow, someway make it not only to the playoffs but into a deep series in the eastern conference finals, then that would be the better ending—Better than finishing 7-8th worst with those lottery odds and a single high draft pick. To be clear, I do not think this will happen, but I am stating that I believe this to be the more positive result because of what it would mean to become a reality.

In company leadership positions, performance reviews will often include an overarching question something like: What have you improved in the business in x-period/since the last review?

I'm trying to imagine what Chuck would answer that ownership could actually agree with on face value, that he has made better since he took over.

Improved the scoring ability of the team? No.
Improved the defensive ability of the team? No
PP better? No.
PK better? No.
Goaltending better? No.
Roster depth better? No.
Organizational depth? No.
High end talent improved? Tough to say, draw at best compared to the day he took over. Probably no.
Unsigned prospect pool? Maybe a slight uptick because at this moment Cutter is unsigned. I'd probably call it a wash.
Salary Cap situation? No.
Salary Cap outlook? No.
Fan engagement/excitement/sentiment? No.
Profitability? Don't have a clue.

If you can't tell your boss clearly what you're going to do, you better be able to tell them clearly what you've accomplished that has benefitted them. I just can't see it. Even if the money is just not an issue either way, I literally would not want to be in a job review in his shoes.

No, I am fully confident that I can handle the truth. This idea that the Flyer’s fanbase as a whole would not fully support a rebuild if it is well-articulated and deemed the only viable path to success is just bolognese. Everyone can understand the “lose the battle to win the war” concept.
- NC Flyers Fan

It was a joke.

To answer your question at face value, why they don't spell out their plan: my guess is that they currently want to be as respectable as possible and try and get some quality draft picks in and tread water. The Hexy regime essentially.

But this was not the plan 2 years ago, when they had higher aspirations. Spelling out the current plan would mean acknowledging they were wrong in their earlier plans, and which public figure have you ever seen admit such a thing?

In company leadership positions, performance reviews will often include an overarching question something like: What have you improved in the business in x-period/since the last review?

I'm trying to imagine what Chuck would answer that ownership could actually agree with on face value, that he has made better since he took over.

Improved the scoring ability of the team? No.
Improved the defensive ability of the team? No
PP better? No.
PK better? No.
Goaltending better? No.
Roster depth better? No.
Organizational depth? No.
High end talent improved? Tough to say, draw at best compared to the day he took over. Probably no.
Unsigned prospect pool? Maybe a slight uptick because at this moment Cutter is unsigned. I'd probably call it a wash.
Salary Cap situation? No.
Salary Cap outlook? No.
Fan engagement/excitement/sentiment? No.
Profitability? Don't have a clue.

If you can't tell your boss clearly what you're going to do, you better be able to tell them clearly what you've accomplished that has benefitted them. I just can't see it. Even if the money is just not an issue either way, I literally would not want to be in a job review in his shoes.
- The_Journeyman

At the end of his review, they tell him despite his awful job performance, we're going to keep because you're one of us and part of the Flyers family.

There is no stealth tank. Fletcher is just utterly incompetent.

Only positives I can come up with:

They will have a top 10 pick, possibly top 5, in a very strong 2023 draft.

They have players that can be moved at the deadline for more picks

Tortorella’s postgame pressers should be entertaining

No one has died. Well, at least as far as I know since we haven’t heard from Ellis for a while.

Actually the relevant context is that you have again made an asinine assumption that someone doesn't understand what Devils advocate means. While you yourself ,apparently doesn't understand what offering a defense of someone means. It's quite hysterical. Offering a defense of someone as a devils advocate would be taking an unpopular or opposing viewpoint in support of the person. What a fool.
- MJL

Put in the requisite " " that normally signals to us that the resident loony has flown off his daily handle, concrete cranium.

Actually I don't bring up Hextall a lot. Others do and I respond. I think when looking at the willingness of the fan base to accept a rebuild and to have patience. How the fanbase reacted during the Hextall years is relevant. It did not move forward fast enough overall for their taste. Right or wrong.
- MJL

Well he didn't do enough to move "fast" enough. Not getting into any Hextall debate as he did substandard job while the GM.

I don't recall the fanbase really reacting any particular way.

Agreed but there would have to be incremental forward progress in a relatively short period of time. Which I don't know if that's possible. Not like it was under Hextall. Fans have a short patience threshold.
- MJL

More draft picks and don’t miss…more ammo to use or trade and don’t miss with picks and trades. The positive to me is they have Torts now and there is the possibility of there being an actual foundation to build upon. The foundation would primarily be the best of Hextall’s picks. I am going to say a shocker that as much and as highly I think of Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds, it is still possible that Hart, Farabee, Provy and others have a bigger impact.

It was a joke.

To answer your question at face value, why they don't spell out their plan: my guess is that they currently want to be as respectable as possible and try and get some quality draft picks in and tread water. The Hexy regime essentially.

But this was not the plan 2 years ago, when they had higher aspirations. Spelling out the current plan would mean acknowledging they were wrong in their earlier plans, and which public figure have you ever seen admit such a thing?
- PT21

Thank you for voicing your real thoughts. I vote loudly against the treading water approach.

At the end of his review, they tell him despite his awful job performance, we're going to keep because you're one of us and part of the Flyers family.
- MJL

That's undoubtedly what has already happened.

It's been beaten to death, but I just can't understand an ownership group that looked at the track record at the end of last season(Just his results with the Flyers), and thought, "Yep, one more year and I'm sure he'll finally have improved at least one aspect of the team/business." Whether they're internally on board with the team going for it or having a rebuild, keeping a leader that has not produced results for you in over two years continuing to be in charge is negligent.

Only positives I can come up with:

They will have a top 10 pick, possibly top 5, in a very strong 2023 draft.

They have players that can be moved at the deadline for more picks

Tortorella’s postgame pressers should be entertaining

No one has died. Well, at least as far as I know since we haven’t heard from Ellis for a while.
- BiggE

Mentally, I call him Sasquatch. I just can’t make myself stop.

Thank you for voicing your real thoughts. I vote loudly against the treading water approach.
- NC Flyers Fan

Yes, I also strongly feel that being upfront that they need to raze and rebuild is the best plan of action as far as winning goes. And yes, I do think a large chunk of the fanbase would indeed buy into it. From a PR perspective, this would be a breath of fresh air.

So, why don't they? All around them, teams are doing just that. Even storied teams, Original Six teams. However dumb they are, it seems really far-fetched that they would still think that treading water will lead to contention down the line. It just beggars belief.

That is why I keep coming back to the rationale that Scott is not willing to take the dip in earnings their internal figures suggest will occur, and obviously, this is also something then that cannot be confessed. I normally don't like conspiracy theories but logic seems to point to that.