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Aug 9 @ 6:57 PM ET
It's too late!! He's already a moron, but then again so are you. If you guys were a musical duet they would call you the dunce cap twins. Congrats! - Phillywhiteout
Well sounds like people would actually come and hear us play. You set such a big stage for yourself on here and nobody is listening. Thanks!
It wasn't a false statement, you logorrheic lunatic. He was listed as the 3rd pairing D on depth charts. not because that was his correct position, any more than Malkin's 2C position is his correct one. Its because there were even better players on his side of the ice. His TOI advantage is miniscule, disappears in the playoffs, and was plausibly explained by me. I did not imply he was a stiff.
And no poop that they see his potential and don't want to bridge him. How did you guess that? Gee now, was that the contract that tipped you off? The question was the EXTENT of their desire, as manifested in the large AAV and max term, on the basis of evidence that does not seem to justify such a leap of faith. - PT21
Feel free to provide these depth charts. Does it really need to be explained to you that actual player usage and ice time is what determines where a player plays? Yes, you made an incorrect statement. You were corrected. Deal with it.
His time on ice doesn't disappear in the playoffs. It's still 22 minutes plus. That is not 3rd pair ice time.
You haven't provided any facts. I explained to you the reasoning behind it and now you're responding like a jackass. Not surprising.
Seemed like Bogo needed to be humbled by everything that happened before he was ready to accept and embrace a reduced role in TB.
Remember, this was a guy who was used to playing top-pair minutes under Housely and Byslma. Krueger comes along and (rightfully) cuts his ego off at the knees. - Tomahawk
If he didn’t sign with Tampa do you think another team would have signed him?
He wasn’t washed up. What he was and is currently is a bottom pair defenseman. He needed a change of scenery.
Just re listened to Frosty interview for purposes of commenting here. He did say light skating switched over to pro skates, and played in men's league for a bit. When asked what he wanted to work on, Myrtetus shoved him down the " trickier and harder shot " route. So he did elaborate there after being spoon fed. But nothing about gym time or strength or even speed improvement goals. His career is on the line imho, and I expected more tales of how seriously he was taking physical training because of the interview questions.
I listened to an interview with Tyrese Maxey few weeks ago re his summer training program. He rises and 5 am, in gym at 6 am, and by 11 am has 3 separate workout sessions completed, 2 on court and 1 in gym. And says this is 7 days per week. Perhaps I was spoiled by hearing that.
Frosty also states explicitly he is an NHL player after last year. I am not sold yet. I believe he has the skill to be a solid top 6 forward. I didn't see the passion/motor/commitment to maximize his skill set in order to achieve it yet. And it all starts with him getting stronger and heavier on his skates/the puck/the release. Pre pro career, he thrived bc of that skill vs younger, less strong, less fast competition. He can't do that at NHL level.
Flyers need a couple of high draft picks to really develop into good scorers this year. I hope Frosty is one. This year is do or die for him.
I followed his OHL/AHL career bc of some of the wonderful things he can do with the puck. And I pull for the young man.
I would have felt better if the interview gave me confidence he understands all of this.
Sorry if the rant off topic, but the Brind'Amour video got me all wired up as to the value of superior strength and conditioning.
Just re listened to Frosty interview for purposes of commenting here. He did say light skating switched over to pro skates, and played in men's league for a bit. When asked what he wanted to work on, Myrtetus shoved him down the " trickier and harder shot " route. So he did elaborate there after being spoon fed. But nothing about gym time or strength or even speed improvement goals. His career is on the line imho, and I expected more tales of how seriously he was taking physical training because of the interview questions.
I listened to an interview with Tyrese Maxey few weeks ago re his summer training program. He rises and 5 am, in gym at 6 am, and by 11 am has 3 separate workout sessions completed, 2 on court and 1 in gym. And says this is 7 days per week. Perhaps I was spoiled by hearing that.
Frosty also states explicitly he is an NHL player after last year. I am not sold yet. I believe he has the skill to be a solid top 6 forward. I didn't see the passion/motor/commitment to maximize his skill set in order to achieve it yet. And it all starts with him getting stronger and heavier on his skates/the puck/the release. Pre pro career, he thrived bc of that skill vs younger, less strong, less fast competition. He can't do that at NHL level.
Flyers need a couple of high draft picks to really develop into good scorers this year. I hope Frosty is one. This year is do or die for him.
I followed his OHL/AHL career bc of some of the wonderful things he can do with the puck. And I pull for the young man.
I would have felt better if the interview gave me confidence he understands all of this. - biggbear77
How about battling back from injury and doing everything he was asked to do and improve the areas of his game that the coaching staff was pushing him to improve? Does that show committment?
Feel free to provide these depth charts. Does it really need to be explained to you that actual player usage and ice time is what determines where a player plays? Yes, you made an incorrect statement. You were corrected. Deal with it.
His time on ice doesn't disappear in the playoffs. It's still 22 minutes plus. That is not 3rd pair ice time.
You haven't provided any facts. I explained to you the reasoning behind it and now you're responding like a jackass. Not surprising. - MJL
That would be, I suspect, most line combinations of the roster through the season.
You do realize that my central query has very little to do with whether Sergachev was a #2 or #3D on that left side. It is the fact that he hasn't yet had a single season where he has played a central role in the top pairing (which is what such money/term would be worth). This is a max term contract based PURELY on speculation/conjecture, unlike say the contracts of Makar or Fox. Sergachev did not receive a single vote for Norris. Can you remind me what was the last time something like that happened - namely a 2/3 guy, not even in the discussion of Norris, gets max term and an AAV>10% of salary cap?
You could, for variety, make an intelligent observation for a change. Such as: these contracts are clear evidence that the salary cap is going to rise by a lot in the next few years. Or, Sergachev is unusual in that he plays both sides, up and down the lineup. Or, that teams have clearly realized how difficult it is to get both star and good fit in the FA market in the salary cap age, and are overpaying their young players to keep them.
Anyway, this is once again the time for me to bow out of this discussion. Get a life, take a hike, and find a statue in some garden to continue arguing with your intellectual kinship.
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Aug 9 @ 8:11 PM ET
If he didn’t sign with Tampa do you think another team would have signed him?
He wasn’t washed up. What he was and is currently is a bottom pair defenseman. He needed a change of scenery. - furio16
I think the low salary he commanded tells us how few suitors he probably had for an NHL roster spot. Again, talking about a guy who took a 75% paycut to take a job that would have been considered ultra-demeaning for him just 12 mos prior.
So you place value on some obscure web page that incorrectly slots Sergachev as a 3rd pair defenseman and ignore his actual ice time and usage.
You made this statement.
"He played in their 3rd pairing all these years, behind McDonagh and Hedman."
That was proven to be a false statement with the facts. It's not the first time you've done so and attempted to use a "depth chart" to try and support your incorrect statement. You also don't seem to understand why teams often try and game the other team in submitting lineups for the start of games.
You do realize that my central query has very little to do with whether Sergachev was a #2 or #3D on that left side. It is the fact that he hasn't yet had a single season where he has played a central role in the top pairing (which is what such money/term would be worth). This is a max term contract based PURELY on speculation/conjecture, unlike say the contracts of Makar or Fox. Sergachev did not receive a single vote for Norris. Can you remind me what was the last time something like that happened - namely a 2/3 guy, not even in the discussion of Norris, gets max term and an AAV>10% of salary cap?
- PT21
You do realize that my reply to you giving my opinion on why TB signed him to the deal they did was based on how they see Sergachev in the future. I clearly stated that he is still young, just 24 and just entering his prime. You do realize that TB is taking a gamble on the player, buying UFA years in the hope that he continues to progress and grow as a player. I clearly stated all of that in my reply on the contract. So do you have a reading comprehension issue?
You made a mistake. I corrected you. It was a small part of the conversation. Deal with it and move on.
You could, for variety, make an intelligent observation for a change. Such as: these contracts are clear evidence that the salary cap is going to rise by a lot in the next few years. Or, Sergachev is unusual in that he plays both sides, up and down the lineup. Or, that teams have clearly realized how difficult it is to get both star and good fit in the FA market in the salary cap age, and are overpaying their young players to keep them.
- PT21
Your ignorance is on display here. What do you think this statement made by me had to do with?
"That can result in cap savings down the line than if they just signed him to another bridge deal where he would be an expiring UFA."
Do you not have the intelligence to understand what that is about? How as the cap rises, they will save money on the cap than if they had signed him to a bridge deal and then had to re-sign him again when he has more leverage? How many times does that need to be explained? If you think that is not an intelligent response. That reflects on your intelligence. Not mine.
I think the low salary he commanded tells us how few suitors he probably had for an NHL roster spot. Again, talking about a guy who took a 75% paycut to take a job that would have been considered ultra-demeaning for him just 12 mos prior. - Tomahawk
Do veteran players on occasion sign a cheap deal so they can play with a team that they think can win the Cup? For sure his level of play comes into play as to what he can command salary wise but there are other factors that come into it.
How about battling back from injury and doing everything he was asked to do and improve the areas of his game that the coaching staff was pushing him to improve? Does that show committment? - MJL
Nothing the poster said was wrong. You would have liked to hear the kid say he’s working his butt off to become a staple in the offense or something. It came across as he’s comfortable with where he’s at which is embarrassing to hear honestly.
Nothing the poster said was wrong. You would have liked to hear the kid say he’s working his butt off to become a staple in the offense or something. It came across as he’s comfortable with where he’s at which is embarrassing to hear honestly. - ClaudeFather
I disagree. I think it's completely wrong and really stupid to assume that a player is not doing something just because it wasn't elaborated on in an interview. By all credible reports, including by the coaching staff, Frost has been doing everything he has been asked to do.
I disagree. I think it's completely wrong and really stupid to assume that a player is not doing something just because it wasn't elaborated on in an interview. By all credible reports, including by the coaching staff, Frost has been doing everything he has been asked to do. - MJL
The player said it. I guess you could read into it how you want but from what he said, it doesn’t sound like he was really getting after it in the off season.
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot! Joined: 09.01.2012
Aug 9 @ 9:01 PM ET
I disagree. I think it's completely wrong and really stupid to assume that a player is not doing something just because it wasn't elaborated on in an interview. By all credible reports, including by the coaching staff, Frost has been doing everything he has been asked to do. - MJL
To add to your point, I don’t think the player has to say anything. Coaches always make those comments on a player’s progress and work ethic. The player’s job is to play to the best of his ability, which we won’t see until October.
Nothing the poster said was wrong. You would have liked to hear the kid say he’s working his butt off to become a staple in the offense or something. It came across as he’s comfortable with where he’s at which is embarrassing to hear honestly. - ClaudeFather
I agree. I'd like to hear Frosty say he wants to prove he belongs and can't wait to contribute towards making the team better. I'm hopeful he hits around 15 goals and 30 plus assists while also working on other areas of his game. If that happens, I'll be happy and more optimistic about him being a part of our future. If all goes well, the FTC line (Frosty, Tipper, Catesey) will be fun to watch!! It's all about a cool line name!
How about battling back from injury and doing everything he was asked to do and improve the areas of his game that the coaching staff was pushing him to improve? Does that show committment? - MJL
That's not good enough for a 1st round pick. He needs to produce at NHL level.
Hoping to issue a mea culpa post 2022-23 season re Frosty the Goalman!
