Now tell us why you gave KK that monster contract? Yes he had decent #s for his role. But that is one year. Projecting for 8 years he will fill in ramp up scoring pace when moving higher up seems quite a leap of faith.

I would put that at the top of 3 head-scratching (to me at least) contracts. Sergachev I would put in #2 on that list. Yeah he is talented, rugged, has potential. But his #s are not that great and to my eye, he had a poor playoffs. He played in their 3rd pairing all these years, behind McDonagh and Hedman. Ok, things may work out but 8 years in the realm of Fox and Hamilton money?

The 3rd would be Nicuschin(sp?) ofc.

All 3 clubs are known for their careful roster building, and do not throw out money to FAs. 2 of the 3 of them are champs and one is knociking at the door. As such, it seems to me that these top teams are really relying on internal team analytics which are not yet public to us.
- PT21

KK's points per 60 last season actually put him ahead of Trocheck. He scored at the 5th highest rate on the club and about a 50 point pace if he was playing 16 minutes per night.

Problem was that he was playing about 12 per night.

I do think it's risky, though they paid Jordan Staal $6 million per for a decade to be a 40 point 3C so i guess this is less of a problem than that was.

I would put that at the top of 3 head-scratching (to me at least) contracts. Sergachev I would put in #2 on that list. Yeah he is talented, rugged, has potential. But his #s are not that great and to my eye, he had a poor playoffs. He played in their 3rd pairing all these years, behind McDonagh and Hedman. Ok, things may work out but 8 years in the realm of Fox and Hamilton money?


- PT21

Sergachev must the first 3rd pair defenseman in NHL history to average over 20 minutes a game played in the regular season and the playoffs. Including playing 22+ minutes a game the last two seasons and slightly more ice time than McDonagh.

Not in the stanly cup final they don’t. Not with the best goalie in the league. Not when you’re built to win every year like Tampa is.
- SuperSchennBros

They didnt give the Avs the Cup after that game and again, Tampa beat the piss out of them game 3, it really doesnt matter

They didnt give the Avs the Cup after that game and again, Tampa beat the piss out of them game 3, it really doesnt matter
- THE BLACK HAND

Who won the series this year? How close was Dallas two years ago and since?

Who won the series this year? How close was Dallas two years ago and since?
- SuperSchennBros

Who (frank)ing cares. Theyre completely different teams. WTF are you talking about?

Who (frank)ing cares. Theyre completely different teams. WTF are you talking about?
- THE BLACK HAND

I’m glad you believe the Aves got pummeled whole the Aves outshot the Bolts 39 to 33 in a 6 to 2 game.

https://www.nhl.com/sabres/news/buffalo-sabres-practice-report-zach-bogosian-marcus-johansson/c-315101562

They did it to make room for a prospect. Bogo was already healthy, but they didn't want to insert him in the lineup for a quarter of the season bc Krueger was done with his poor play.


- Tomahawk

Did you leave out the part where Krueger said he was done with his poor play as I must have missed it.

Bogo was and still is an NHL level player. Making room for a prospect and waiving a vet is not a new process.

I’m glad you believe the Aves got pummeled whole the Aves outshot the Bolts 39 to 33 in a 6 to 2 game.
- SuperSchennBros

Watch the game and not the box score....this is one of your most ridiculous takes

something I would expect jd250 to argue

Watch the game and not the box score....this is one of your most ridiculous takes

something I would expect jd250 to argue
- THE BLACK HAND

I watched the game, which is how I know you don’t know what you’re talking about and if you can’t follow the conversation and why the topic came up, that’s not my problem.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...?thread_id=179307&page=10

Here, recap your own genius while you’re at it.

KK's points per 60 last season actually put him ahead of Trocheck. He scored at the 5th highest rate on the club and about a 50 point pace if he was playing 16 minutes per night.

Problem was that he was playing about 12 per night.

I do think it's risky, though they paid Jordan Staal $6 million per for a decade to be a 40 point 3C so i guess this is less of a problem than that was.
- BINGO!

Staal came after a cup, and in his prime was a monster checker, and in faceoffs, and iiirc, a guy who averaged just a tad under Crosby and Malkin in one of 2 seasons where they made back-to-back SCF appearances. A guy you want to have on your side in close games. You knew what you were getting with him and you also wanted to keep Eric happy, I presume.

I likethe boldness. Your team seems to march to a different tune than most others - its not just the KK OS, but also letting Dougie walk, trading away your Calder finalist, etc etc

I watched the game, which is how I know you don’t know what you’re talking about and if you can’t follow the conversation and why the topic came up, that’s not my problem.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...?thread_id=179307&page=10

Here, recap your own genius while you’re at it.
- SuperSchennBros

dude, im very cordial with you and have defended you multiple times. Dont make me start reacting to you like I do Jd, phillywhiteout and hello.

If you watched it and this is your take, its idiotic and you dont have a clue what youre watching

dude, im very cordial with you and have defended you multiple times. Dont make me start reacting to you like I do Jd, phillywhiteout and hello.

If you watched it and this is your take, its idiotic and you dont have a clue what youre watching
- THE BLACK HAND

Oh wow, is this a threat? Are you gonna online shame me the same as claudefather? Don’t make becoming a moron a Conscious decision

Sergachev must the first 3rd pair defenseman in NHL history to average over 20 minutes a game played in the regular season and the playoffs. Including playing 22+ minutes a game the last two seasons and slightly more ice time than McDonagh.
- MJL

Upon checking jyst now, he averaged 1 second more/game than McDonagh last season (regular), and less during playoffs. My explanation is this: Tampa had 3 studs on their left and no studs on the right. As such, I see Sergachev often partners with Hedman, and also on the pk whereas McDonash almost never does (play with Hedman). Also, McDonagh is a stalwart on the PK, which is more exhausting, so probably needs a bigger breather, and also much older (so rested more?).

I do not eman to imply he is a typical 3rd pairing. Of course he isn't. But lets say he was even a #2. Point is, they gave him 1st pairing money and term. His salary is 90% of the last year's Norris trophy winner's salary and same term. How many times has that happened in terms of precedent if we are talking about history?

Can someone forward that Brind'Amour training video to Morgan Frost? Listened to his interview couple weeks ago and no mention of his training program over summer to improve shot or strength. Sounded like he was doing some "light skating" and enjoying friends and family at home. I really hope Torts gets this guy to amp up his training program through the start of the season. He still gets pushed off the puck like a boy playing with men.

Upon checking jyst now, he averaged 1 second more/game than McDonagh last season (regular), and less during playoffs. My explanation is this: Tampa had 3 studs on their left and no studs on the right. As such, I see Sergachev often partners with Hedman, and also on the pk whereas McDonash almost never does (play with Hedman). Also, McDonagh is a stalwart on the PK, which is more exhausting, so probably needs a bigger breather, and also much older (so rested more?).

I do not eman to imply he is a typical 3rd pairing. Of course he isn't. But lets say he was even a #2. Point is, they gave him 1st pairing money and term. His salary is 90% of the last year's Norris trophy winner's salary and same term. How many times has that happened in terms of precedent if we are talking about history?
- PT21

It wasn't what you implied. You made a false statement. That was corrected.
In order to get Sergachev to sign for 8 years and give up free agent leverage in the future, you have to overpay and "buy" free agent years. That raises the AAV. They also likely view him as a player who is going to continue to grow and improve as a player. He's already first pairing level. He's just entering his prime. That can result in cap savings down the line than if they just signed him to another bridge deal where he would be an expiring UFA.

Can someone forward that Brind'Amour training video to Morgan Frost? Listened to his interview couple weeks ago and no mention of his training program over summer to improve shot or strength. Sounded like he was doing some "light skating" and enjoying friends and family at home. I really hope Torts gets this guy to amp up his training program through the start of the season. He still gets pushed off the puck like a boy playing with men.
- biggbear77

Do you honestly believe that's all he's doing?

Did you leave out the part where Krueger said he was done with his poor play as I must have missed it.

Bogo was and still is an NHL level player. Making room for a prospect and waiving a vet is not a new process.
- furio16

Krueger severely cut his minutes, stripped him of his letter, healthy scratched him for weeks on end, got fed up with his attitude and entitlement (particularly after his trade request) and eventually decided he didn't want Bogo around the team anymore.

Two hip surgeries, a coach-killing attitude, declining play... the guy was basically on his way out of the league until TB came calling.

Same thing w/ Schenn, who was demoted to the AHL by two separate teams the season before they signed him.

They were both low-risk reclamation projects. Like Myers and Hayden Fleury.

Do you honestly believe that's all he's doing?
- MJL

Well, he didn't mention anything else so you do the math.

Krueger severely cut his minutes, stripped him of his letter, healthy scratched him for weeks on end, got fed up with his attitude and entitlement (particularly after his trade request) and eventually decided he didn't want Bogo around the team anymore.

Two hip surgeries, a coach-killing attitude, declining play... the guy was basically on his way out of the league until TB came calling.

Same thing w/ Schenn, who was demoted to the AHL by two separate teams the season before they signed him.

They were both low-risk reclamation projects. Like Myers and Hayden Fleury.
- Tomahawk

Tampa inserted him in the lineup and slotted him properly. Add in playing with a good team. Then all of a sudden he looks much better. Don’t really think it was anything Tampa did. More so he got out of Buffalo. Yes is was a low cost no risk move that panned out. I am not surprised it did.

It wasn't what you implied. You made a false statement. That was corrected.
In order to get Sergachev to sign for 8 years and give up free agent leverage in the future, you have to overpay and "buy" free agent years. That raises the AAV. They also likely view him as a player who is going to continue to grow and improve as a player. He's already first pairing level. He's just entering his prime. That can result in cap savings down the line than if they just signed him to another bridge deal where he would be an expiring UFA.
- MJL

It wasn't a false statement, you logorrheic lunatic. He was listed as the 3rd pairing D on depth charts. not because that was his correct position, any more than Malkin's 2C position is his correct one. Its because there were even better players on his side of the ice. His TOI advantage is miniscule, disappears in the playoffs, and was plausibly explained by me. I did not imply he was a stiff.

And no poop that they see his potential and don't want to bridge him. How did you guess that? Gee now, was that the contract that tipped you off? The question was the EXTENT of their desire, as manifested in the large AAV and max term, on the basis of evidence that does not seem to justify such a leap of faith.

Oh wow, is this a threat? Are you gonna online shame me the same as claudefather? Don’t make becoming a moron a Conscious decision
- SuperSchennBros

It's too late!! He's already a moron, but then again so are you. If you guys were a musical duet they would call you the dunce cap twins. Congrats!

Oh wow, is this a threat? Are you gonna online shame me the same as claudefather? Don’t make becoming a moron a Conscious decision
- SuperSchennBros

Are you getting cyber bullied again?

Tampa inserted him in the lineup and slotted him properly. Add in playing with a good team. Then all of a sudden he looks much better. Don’t really think it was anything Tampa did. More so he got out of Buffalo. Yes is was a low cost no risk move that panned out. I am not surprised it did.
- furio16

Seemed like Bogo needed to be humbled by everything that happened before he was ready to accept and embrace a reduced role in TB.

Remember, this was a guy who was used to playing top-pair minutes under Housely and Byslma. Krueger comes along and (rightfully) cuts his ego off at the knees.

KK's points per 60 last season actually put him ahead of Trocheck. He scored at the 5th highest rate on the club and about a 50 point pace if he was playing 16 minutes per night.

Problem was that he was playing about 12 per night.

I do think it's risky, though they paid Jordan Staal $6 million per for a decade to be a 40 point 3C so i guess this is less of a problem than that was.
- BINGO!

By the way, your Emo Philips ref in your profile has always reminded me of a certain British comedian of yesteryears. Couldn't find a clip so:

Seemed like Bogo needed to be humbled by everything that happened before he was ready to accept and embrace a reduced role in TB.

Remember, this was a guy who was used to playing top-pair minutes under Housely and Byslma. Krueger comes along and (rightfully) cuts his ego off at the knees.
- Tomahawk

I think you’ve pretty much given all the information you can give of how the Bolts saved Bogo’s career. I mean I gave a pretty detailed example of how Luke Schenn was written off and Tampa helped him out…and then Furio16 asked who’s career Tampa has saved…

I thought that was interesting.