There's still hope for him to blossom into an above-average guy, but I feel like that's on the upper end of the bell curve now.
His relatively small size, his iffy glove hand, the periodic mental lapses, the injuries, the way the Flyers botched his development... he's gonna have to overcome a lot to get there. - Tomahawk
But that’s the situation he’s in. And that’s why I specifically called out who’s in charge here regarding my comments about Hart. This will be a make or break season for him. If he has a down year the organization is most likely considering other options in net. - ClaudeFather
Imo fedotov is very intriguing. If he’s allowed to come over ever
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Aug 8 @ 12:57 PM ET
This is where your metrics get you in trouble. Was Billy Smith a great goalie? How about Grant Fuhr? They were both Cup winning goalies that had the best team in the world in front of them, icing some of the greatest scorers in NHL history. Makes it a lot easier on a goalie when you can give up 3 goals and still win going away. Hart has not had that luxury ... hmmm .. ever on the Flyers. You must take this into account. Hart gives up 3 and your penciling in the Loss column! Not a good feeling. - jd250
It's not like Hart was playing really well all season and getting deflated by lack of goal support. A quarter of his starts he gave up 4+ goals. Most of those were 5GA+ games. Almost half his starts he had a SV% under .900, with most of those coming after New Year.
18 of his starts he had a SV% in the .880's or below. He gave up 5 goals in 15 shots against Tampa. 3 goals on 10 shots against the Caps. 6 goals on 28 shots against the Leafs. There were nights where he wasn't giving the team a chance to win, not the other way around.
If the Flyers doubled their goal output, I'm sure life could have been easier for him. But the way he played in the 2nd half, they might still have still lost many of those games.
have you ever seen a 3rd baseman try to rob a hit down the line? do you even watch baseball? - 2Real
2Wrong
Right handed 3rd basemen (catch left) reach across their body to rob someone on the 3rd baseline - not what goalies do.
There have been roughly 7 left handed 3rd basemen in history. What you’re suggesting is a left handed 3rd basemen flashing the leather down the 3rd base line, turning his whole body to face first or second to make a throw.
A) there’s a reason there aren’t many left handed 3rd basemen in history because that play would be near impossible at the pro level and B) this would suggest Carter Hart plays full-right, which he does not.
It's not like Hart was playing really well all season and getting deflated by lack of goal support. A quarter of his starts he gave up 4+ goals. Most of those were 5GA+ games. Almost half his starts he had a SV% under .900, with most of those coming after New Year.
18 of his starts he had a SV% in the .880's or below. He gave up 5 goals in 15 shots against Tampa. 3 goals on 10 shots against the Caps. 6 goals on 28 shots against the Leafs. There were nights where he wasn't giving the team a chance to win, not the other way around.
If the Flyers doubled their goal output, I'm sure life could have been easier for him. But the way he played in the 2nd half, they might still have still lost many of those games. - Tomahawk
I'm asking because I don't have that metric in front of me, but how did the Flyers as a team do in high danger shots against last season? If they were near the top of the league I would be very surprised. How about turnovers as a team compared to other teams? Again if the Flyers were not near the top of the league I would surprised. Yes Hart had more than a few bad statistical games, but how much of that was the way the team played in front of him? Back door chances, uncovered players in the slot, multiple rebounds against, turnovers at their own blue line, etc. I would like to see how many of those 4+ goals against games Hart had cross-referenced to the defensive stats of the team that night.
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Aug 8 @ 1:18 PM ET
I'm asking because I don't have that metric in front of me, but how did the Flyers as a team do in high danger shots against last season? If they were near the top of the league I would be very surprised. How about turnovers as a team compared to other teams? Again if the Flyers were not near the top of this metric I would surprised. Yes Hart had more than a few bad statistical games, but how much of that was the way the team played in front of him? Back door chances, uncovered players in the slot, multiple rebounds against, turnovers at their own blue line, etc. I would like to see how many of those 4+ goals against games Hart had cross-referenced to the defensive stats of the team that night. - jd250
The Flyers were terrible, but Hart was negative in saves above expected, which takes chance quality and shot location into account. Overall he performed worse than if you dropped an "average" NHL goaltender in the same predicament. He played slightly below average for the season, but well below average in the 2nd-half.
Rask has the 4th-highest career SV% in the history of the (frank)ing sport man. - Tomahawk
How did Rask do when it mattered? All the stats in the world don't make you Elite. Elite goalies make the big saves in the big moments of games, that is what makes then elite. Dryden, Parent, Smith, Fuhr, Roy, Brodeur, Osgood, these are "elite" goalies because they made the big saves in the biggest games that won their respective teams the Cup ... their in-game stats do not make them elite, no matter how good they may be. Rask was solely a product of the team and the system in front of him!
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Aug 8 @ 1:20 PM ET
2Wrong
Right handed 3rd basemen (catch left) reach across their body to rob someone on the 3rd baseline - not what goalies do.
There have been roughly 7 left handed 3rd basemen in history. What you’re suggesting is a left handed 3rd basemen flashing the leather down the 3rd base line, turning his whole body to face first or second to make a throw.
A) there’s a reason there aren’t many left handed 3rd basemen in history because that play would be near impossible at the pro level and B) this would suggest Carter Hart plays full-right, which he does not.
Kind of sounds you like just don’t get it - black_francis
wow the low iq posters are really showing up today
How did Rask do when it mattered? All the stats in the world don't make you Elite. Elite goalies make the big saves in the big moments of games, that is what makes then elite. Dryden, Parent, Smith, Fuhr, Roy, Brodeur, Osgood, these are "elite" goalies because they made the big saves in the biggest games that won their respective teams the Cup ... their in-game stats do not make them elite, no matter how good they may be. Rask was solely a product of the team and the system in front of him! - jd250
