I will say this, he still wants a 7 year deal.....changing agents wont change what teams want to do. In fact, Dallas is now looking hard at re-signing him.
- Kevin Francis

If he wants that term hell have to settle on a lower AAV. A one year term will only eat up a year, make him older and more of a long term risk next time contract season comes around. He probably had a decent deal on the table (Seattle??) that his previous agent told him not to take, and now the offering team doesn't have the space any more. People look at the Sharks' D blunders and think buyer beware, with good reason.

If he wants that term hell have to settle on a lower AAV. A one year term will only eat up a year, make him older and more of a long term risk next time contract season comes around. He probably had a decent deal on the table (Seattle??) that his previous agent told him not to take, and now the offering team doesn't have the space any more. People look at the Sharks' D blunders and think buyer beware, with good reason.
- Bartacus

Capwise Dallas might be in worse shape than San Jose. They have $19m committed to Seguin (5 years) and Jamie Benn (3 yers). But they have been able to remain very competitive. They will probably try and hang on for another year before facing the inevitability of needing to step back and do some form of rebuild.

Capwise Dallas might be in worse shape than San Jose. They have $19m committed to Seguin (5 years) and Jamie Benn (3 yers). But they have been able to remain very competitive. They will probably try and hang on for another year before facing the inevitability of needing to step back and do some form of rebuild.
- spatso

Good points all around, another dicey cap scenario. Yet still, I get the gambles Dallas took, given those contracts end in the players' age 35 (TS) and 36 (JB) years. Paying multiple defenders, especially offensive ones full term into their age 39/40 years was absolutely bonkers irresponsible cap management from the get go.

Good points all around, another dicey cap scenario. Yet still, I get the gambles Dallas took, given those contracts end in the players' age 35 (TS) and 36 (JB) years. Paying multiple defenders, especially offensive ones full term into their age 39/40 years was absolutely bonkers irresponsible cap management from the get go.
- Bartacus

Read where Dallas may be team that pushes hardest for Patrick Kane. One last attempt to try and go deep in the playoffs. Final hurrah before lighting the torches and burning it all down.

The only way Dorion does not do well on this deal is if Debrincat turn out to be a dud.
- spatso

Yeah, I sure as heck don't want Bobby Ryan 2.0.

I do feel sorry for BR's lapse of sobriety, though. I hope it's only momentary.

Yeah, I sure as heck don't want Bobby Ryan 2.0.

I do feel sorry for BR's lapse of sobriety, though. I hope it's only momentary.
- Panzer_IVA

Yes sad news about Bobby Ryan, thinking about Ryan’s, Ryan Dzingle is another sad story. He turned down a guaranteed 5 year $5,000,000 contract from the Senators in 2019. His new contract with the Hurricanes that he agreed to yesterday is a 2 way deal, $750,000 if he plays in the NHL and $150,000 if he ends up in the AHL.

Does anyone know why he rejected the great offer from the Sens?

If he wants that term hell have to settle on a lower AAV. A one year term will only eat up a year, make him older and more of a long term risk next time contract season comes around. He probably had a decent deal on the table (Seattle??) that his previous agent told him not to take, and now the offering team doesn't have the space any more. People look at the Sharks' D blunders and think buyer beware, with good reason.
- Bartacus

You said it very well. If you go on any Dallas Stars board, his character is questionable and some players on Dallas felt he quit at times sulking about how he management wouldn't give an extension before the trade deadline. I think you stay far far away from this player.

Yes sad news about Bobby Ryan, thinking about Ryan’s, Ryan Dzingle is another sad story. He turned down a guaranteed 5 year $5,000,000 contract from the Senators in 2019. His new contract with the Hurricanes that he agreed to yesterday is a 2 way deal, $750,000 if he plays in the NHL and $150,000 if he ends up in the AHL.

Does anyone know why he rejected the great offer from the Sens?
- Barrykerr1

The deal was reported as 5x5 at the time, who knows if that was the exact numbers but still, Dzingel thought he was worth at the time. His agent and Ryan said so much on a few occasions which is why Dorion didn't wait and dealt him. The moment his agent said no to the deal, I believe Ottawa made him a healthy scratch until they could find a trade partner, similar to Dorion making Stone and Duchene healthy scratches for an entire week leading up to the deadline. But that 2 way contract has to hurt Dzingel. Curious as to why Ottawa didn't sign him but signed Hawleruk instead to a 2 way?

Read where Dallas may be team that pushes hardest for Patrick Kane. One last attempt to try and go deep in the playoffs. Final hurrah before lighting the torches and burning it all down.
- spatso

The Stars shelf life is short for sure, totally agree here if they think they can get Kane for one last playoff push, then Dallas will fall off for awhile. Pavelski's deal has one year left too.

Dallas had a playoff style roster, heck they came awful close to knocking out Calgary in the 1st round.

What do people think of signing Anton Stralman? He has played A LOT of pk mins
- AlfieisKing

If you watched him at all last year, he was looking Hainsey in the year he was here. But he did play for the Coyotes, so he had very little to play with. Still, I say, pass on this one.

Like I get the upcoming cap concerns but there is still lots of possibilities to make it work for the organization. However, as always, important to succeed while players are on affordable contracts while they production is in their prime, hence why it's not a terrible idea to try and go for it in the next few seasons.

It's unchartered waters for the Senators as they have never been close to the cap ceiling. It's understandable that it's an uncomfortable feeling. Heck, concerns were getting to the cap floor a couple of seasons ago. Quite the 180.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I agree about affordable contracts - but that will have to come from the prospects they have coming OR (a) getting Stutzle on lower cap bridge (b) Batherson + Formenton being significant contributors with combined cap hit under 8m (c) Sanderson, Boucher, Soogard, Sokolov, etc on ELCs

For me it's about value big time. If Stutzle scores 70+ points and is 200 foot consistent #1 center, I have np with him getting 7.75-8.5m. If DeBrincat is on his wing scoring 40 goals, scoring big goals, and is defensively responsible - I have no problem him going as high as 9m; since this team REALLY needs that piece.

With that said that gets to about 42-45m for the top 6F's. Add Chabot and others, it does get tight

How do you lock up DeBrincat long term when you don't know how he will fit in with his new team? For all the good the GM has done, he would look foolish giving him a long term deal right now.
- PuckPix

I have no problem giving DeBrincat a long term deal. With that said, having Stutzle, Giroux, I can see him having a career year. Great thing for Ottawa, but if he hits 50, he's looking for 10m - or maybe he doesn't want to sign here.

I do agree about giving big contracts before they play a game here (Bobby Ryan, Matt Murray). Then again, Bobby Ryan was 26.5 years old when he was traded - DeBrincat is 2 years younger right now - with13 more career goals.

What I see if Sens signed Stutzle & DeBrincat to 8 year deals

(9.00 for 9 years) - DeBrincat, UFA in 2031
(7.95 for 8 years) - Stutzle, UFA in 2031
(7.75 for 8 years) - Norris, UFA in 2030
(8.21 for 6 years) - Tkachuk, UFA in 2028
(8.00 for 6 years) - Chabot, UFA in 2028
(4.98 for 5 years) - Batherson, UFA in 2027
(6.50 for 3 years) - Giroux, UFA in 2025
----------------------
= 52.39M ----> 7.484M average

*About 30m for (2 goalies, 5 D-men, 6 bottom forwards)

I have no problem giving DeBrincat a long term deal. With that said, having Stutzle, Giroux, I can see him having a career year. Great thing for Ottawa, but if he hits 50, he's looking for 10m - or maybe he doesn't want to sign here.

I do agree about giving big contracts before they play a game here (Bobby Ryan, Matt Murray). Then again, Bobby Ryan was 26.5 years old when he was traded - DeBrincat is 2 years younger right now - with13 more career goals.
- AlfieisKing

I follow the Canadian teams closely. If Ottawa has to give Alex 10M, run for the hills. No team in the NHL has ever won a Stanley Cup with a player making 10M or more on their roster. You can't give him near that type of money if you want to sustain a productive blue line.

What I see if Sens signed Stutzle & DeBrincat to 8 year deals

(9.00 for 9 years) - DeBrincat, UFA in 2031
(7.95 for 8 years) - Stutzle, UFA in 2031
(7.75 for 8 years) - Norris, UFA in 2030
(8.21 for 6 years) - Tkachuk, UFA in 2028
(8.00 for 6 years) - Chabot, UFA in 2028
(4.98 for 5 years) - Batherson, UFA in 2027
(6.50 for 3 years) - Giroux, UFA in 2025
----------------------
= 52.39M ----> 7.484M average

*About 30m for (2 goalies, 5 D-men, 6 bottom forwards)
- AlfieisKing

Under the CBA, I don't think you can give more than 8 years to any player. Still, no way you give DeBrincat 9M, your team already has so many other offensive weapons long term. Don't pull a Toronto and sign Alex like the Leafs did with Tavares, your team would be in cap hell for years.

Under the CBA, I don't think you can give more than 8 years to any player. Still, no way you give DeBrincat 9M, your team already has so many other offensive weapons long term. Don't pull a Toronto and sign Alex like the Leafs did with Tavares, your team would be in cap hell for years.
- PuckPix

Unfortunately you're talking to stone walls that have already anointed DeBrincat as the team's most valuable player.

I follow the Canadian teams closely. If Ottawa has to give Alex 10M, run for the hills. No team in the NHL has ever won a Stanley Cup with a player making 10M or more on their roster. You can't give him near that type of money if you want to sustain a productive blue line.
- PuckPix

I think the point you are making is really important. You need team depth to win a Stanley Cup. Line up depth thins out very quickly when you start giving out $11m contracts at the top of your line up. Other players and agents start making the case they are worth as much or close to that top salary (look up the Leafs as reference case #1).

I like the Brady cap. And I think as long as Brady continues to lead the team in scoring it should be maintained.

Soon enough, somebody will win a Stanley Cup with a $10m. plus player on their roster.

If the cap hits $96m. after the escrow clawback, a $10m deal is less than 10.5% of the team cap. Just about every recent Cup winner has had a player earning somewhere close 10.5% or better of the total team allowable cap (around $8.5m on this year's cap).

I agree strongly with the idea of locking your elite RFAs into long term deals. But you have to limit the number of guys who are given long term deals.

But, the Stanley Cup is most often won by teams that are older and experienced in playoff warfare. Dorion needs to save some cash. If this team is close at the deadline he might want to sprinkle in some veteran experience.

I think the "anointing" of DeBrincat.....is mostly justified. His age. The amount he has scored. Can we put him in the same position as he was in (Kane, Toews)....maybe not...but maybe. It's gonna be close. Unless this coach completely screws this up, the Cat is gonna get a lot of good minutes and give someone a lot of assists.

Interesting from Simmer this am about Zub from his agent. No offer yet. Not much chatter.

I was mostly a "no" on Klingberg until I started thinking about their run to the final a couple years ago. How was he then? I also keep hearing that Chabbot is our big power play QB....but is he? Is he really? He's steady back there for sure, but his numbers might not justify #1 power play unit time. It might be time to realise he's just a steady good D man and not a big points producer.

Unfortunately you're talking to stone walls that have already anointed DeBrincat as the team's most valuable player.
- Whatisavailable

I feel folks are trying to justify him being added to the lineup. I know I am. Your notion is always salary cap doom and gloom. The main way that will happen is if Debrincat plays like close to MVP caliber for the team and demands top dollar. That is not a guarantee. He could also put up an average or below average season, which likely would affect his contract negotiations and could sign for less than some are concerned about.

Lots of time for stuff to play out and see what will occur. I’m guilty of getting a little giddy with the team adding two solidified top 6 forwards. The defense is still junk on this team and that will ultimately hold them back of being a truly legitimate contender. You can only address so much at one time. Hopefully, Dorion can add a solidified piece to D corps before training camp.

After years of watching promising players leave, ownership drama, and downright crappy hockey. This summer should be exciting for fans. The only gripe people should really have is moving Connor Brown and not keeping him as a season long “rental”. However, that move is likely a result of the direct issue you do bring up, up coming cap crunch for this team.

I think the "anointing" of DeBrincat.....is mostly justified. His age. The amount he has scored. Can we put him in the same position as he was in (Kane, Toews)....maybe not...but maybe. It's gonna be close. Unless this coach completely screws this up, the Cat is gonna get a lot of good minutes and give someone a lot of assists.

Interesting from Simmer this am about Zub from his agent. No offer yet. Not much chatter.

I was mostly a "no" on Klingberg until I started thinking about their run to the final a couple years ago. How was he then? I also keep hearing that Chabbot is our big power play QB....but is he? Is he really? He's steady back there for sure, but his numbers might not justify #1 power play unit time. It might be time to realise he's just a steady good D man and not a big points producer.
- Octavarium

I have a little theory that Zub could be a guy to not stick around long term if another solidified d-man is brought in and you hope JBD/Thompson can take a step to the NHL and would be cheaper options than Zub going forward. Everyone loves the Zub but he not an irreplaceable player.

Make no mistake, the team is likely already planning for a cap crunch for the 2023/2024 season.

Is this true? I just saw it on Twitter.



Jacob Billington
@JacobBillingt10
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46m
How does the trade look today?

To SJS:
Erik Karlsson (5x11.5)

To OTT:
Josh Norris (8x7.95)
Tim Stutzle (ELC)
Zack Ostapchuk
Leevi Merilainen
Mads Søgaard (2nd used to trade up for)

Not too shabby.

This might get me yelled at a bit in here haha, but what would we think of prying seth Jones outta chicago, I'm sure he does not want to stick around for 5 yrs for the team to compete again, he has a full NMC though, age 27-35 term. But if we were to intice him to waive, he could be perfect.
He is 9.5 mil I understand that, but if chicago were to keep 2 million of that for 4-5 yrs (how long they are rebuilding so it wont affect them) and the cap escalation will take care of the 2 mil in a few years anyways. $15.5 million on 2 anchors on the blueline for the next 5 yrs is acceptable. A trade could look something like

To Ottawa: Jones

To Chicago: 2023 first (unprotected) JBD/sokolov/one of our goalie prospects/insert pick/other prospect here

It's a Kings ransom for him, but that's what the 2mil cap relief is worth, maybe we could unload zaitsev in that trade aswell.

I am sure others could come up with a better or more even trade package, just spit-ballin here.

May be worth looking into, takes a butload of pressure off Chabot, balances the defense completely, we would have Chabot or Jones on the ice for 45+ mins a game, help the young guns learn on the fly.
It may mean trading debrincat if he wants too much at the end of the year, but we could get back most of what we traded him for, and Chicago is taking so much flack for the return, they may want to try and get more than Jones is worth from us to balance it out lol.
I have zero idea if he would Waive his NMC though and may just be a pipe dream lol.

Thoughts?

I think the "anointing" of DeBrincat.....is mostly justified. His age. The amount he has scored. Can we put him in the same position as he was in (Kane, Toews)....maybe not...but maybe. It's gonna be close. Unless this coach completely screws this up, the Cat is gonna get a lot of good minutes and give someone a lot of assists.

Interesting from Simmer this am about Zub from his agent. No offer yet. Not much chatter.

I was mostly a "no" on Klingberg until I started thinking about their run to the final a couple years ago. How was he then? I also keep hearing that Chabot is our big power play QB....but is he? Is he really? He's steady back there for sure, but his numbers might not justify #1 power play unit time. It might be time to realise he's just a steady good D man and not a big points producer.
- Octavarium

Klingberg was the 2nd leading scorer on the Stars team that made the Stanley Cup Finals, but was also a team-worst -10. By most accounts he's very much as-advertised in terms of being a skilled and productive puck-moving offensive D-man, but with notable defensive issues. As such, he'd effectively have to be paired with Chabot, because Sanderson is going to need more of a steady, defensively supportive partner (Zub, Hamonic, etc.). Which brings up the important question of your second point... what kind of D-man is Chabot, exactly? And the answer isn't as clear as some might want to believe.

There's always been an ambient excuse that his 26min/GP of ice time limits his ability to fully exert himself offensively. Yet last year he also had the 5th most PP ice time of any D-man in the NHL, with less than 1/2 the production of the league's elite-level offensive D-men. He missed 23GP last year, but even if you adjust for PPG he didn't crack the top-20 in D-man scoring. It was also notable that despite wearing the "C" on Canada's WC team, he was significantly out-produced by Severson and Graves, while Sanheim and Whitecloud each had the same number of points but more goals. Don't get me wrong, he had a huge role on the team and played well, just not as the top offensive D-man.

Chabot is clearly a high-quality player, but he's looking more and more like Wade Redden (in his prime) than Erik Karlsson. That's not a terrible thing, but they have to be honest with themselves about the rest of the blueline. And given the emphasis they're making on having a high-octane forward group, it could be that bolstering the puck-moving side of the blueline with the addition of Klingberg actually makes a lot of sense... especially if it fills a short-term need, without giving up long-term assets in the process.

Under the CBA, I don't think you can give more than 8 years to any player. Still, no way you give DeBrincat 9M, your team already has so many other offensive weapons long term. Don't pull a Toronto and sign Alex like the Leafs did with Tavares, your team would be in cap hell for years.
- PuckPix

1. Let me clarify - Yes about the CBA rule. DeBrincat is already 9m in salary this year. THEN he will sign 9 x 8 years.

2. Do you think signing Alex DeBrincat 26.5 years old at 9m is the same as signing John Tavares 28 years old at 11m? It's similar but I think their completely different players, different age, cap hit, style of play (speed + goal scoring), and where the team is in terms of the rebuild

Is this true? I just saw it on Twitter.

Jacob Billington
@JacobBillingt10
·
46m
How does the trade look today?

To SJS:
Erik Karlsson (5x11.5)

To OTT:
Josh Norris (8x7.95)
Tim Stutzle (ELC)
Zack Ostapchuk
Leevi Merilainen
Mads Søgaard (2nd used to trade up for)

Not too shabby.
- spatso