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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 14 @ 7:46 PM ET
Well there’s some rumors that Liane is on the block now that Columbus got JG. He only has the one year on his deal so it shouldn’t cost the farm. He is young and you can build around him more than with anyone we have now…
- hereticpride



Laine is an expiring RFA not a UFA. So that isn't going to lower the price much. Laine is not a player I would personally look to build around.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jul 14 @ 7:49 PM ET
Yes, let's review what you said and show again that have no idea what you post even mere hours ago.


https://hockeybuzz.com/bo...p?thread_id=179787&page=9

"trades what remaining cap space he has on DeAngelo, which is a very good defenseman"

- MJL

Yes, just like I said, DeAngelo is a very defenseman .. again you disagree with this? Stop embarrassing yourself! In his last 3 full seasons, DeAngelo is a top 10 scoring defenseman.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jul 14 @ 7:50 PM ET
I don't get all of the good will towards Hextall, just because CF is failing. What has Hextall done for the Penguins ? He signed Jeff Carter, a good player yes, but only because he knew him from a prior job. He also resigned 3 existing aging players to lesser salaries, but c'mon, they are all in their 30's, even mid 30s. Were they worth even the reduced salaries ? They had to have Burke babysit him because they were worried he would do the same thing to them he did here. And finally, they don't have a good goalie. Not that I care about the Penguins mind you. Just not seeing how Hextall has been so competent. People forget he traded down in 2016 from Keifer Bellows to take 2 players who will never play in the NHL In 2015 He traded the pick to Montreal where they were able to draft Cayden Primeau. He reached for Jay O'Brien in 2018 because we "had" an extra pick that year. He signed JVR to the deal he has now. We never had a real 3rd line center (we still don't, but not the point here)
- BluehorseShoe64

Where is the good will for Hextall?? Certainly not from me. Hextall deserved to be fired, but right now so does Fletcher.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jul 14 @ 7:52 PM ET
Laine is an expiring RFA not a UFA. So that isn't going to lower the price much. Laine is not a player I would personally look to build around.
- MJL

Not sure Laine is a luxury Columbus can afford right now, unless they find a taker for Jake and cover some of his remaining salary and trade a few picks along with him.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 14 @ 7:54 PM ET
Yes, just like I said, DeAngelo is a very defenseman .. again you disagree with this? Stop embarrassing yourself!
- jd250


So you admit I was right? You don't even have a clue what you posted last post.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Jul 14 @ 8:03 PM ET
Perfect. Needed to be published. 100% agreement with this and it crystallized how we all feel.

https://www.crossingbroad...is-flyers-management.html
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jul 14 @ 8:09 PM ET
Everything he said was factual, they talked and said they’d fit him in.. until they couldn’t. The failed TK/Ottawa deal fell through and they had no back up plan.

Doesn’t mean they didn’t have something in place prior to the unforeseen Debrincat to Ottawa deal which was the wrench that was thrown into this mess.

How do I know, MJL? Because you know who’s alt this is - all I had to do was ask my dad.

You’re so far from insider information it’s hilarious to hear your fart out what I know to be completely wrong information.

And I know it kills you to be wrong about things 😂

Just because it didn’t happen doesn’t mean he was being untruthful about any info…

Remember? Ray Bourque to the Flyers E5!

Things change.

- anti-lame


The funniest thing is I never once claimed to be some insider connected person like mjl says. I merely relayed what I was told by very credible people. With absolutely no reason to lie. I disclosed exactly who I heard what from. And it was for discussion on group to assume it would happen moving forward. There never was some ek like e5 stuff. And even funnier part is everything I said I heard was happening was verified through media types that mjl cites eventually for instance said philly was out on jg. From jg stating wanting to go to philly. From philly interest. From trying to move salary. To fallen through draft trades. Yet he fights saying I made it up. Boy guess I made up cc to Ottawa right after he was traded and actually before once cc was giving permission to talk trade and came out Florida was his choice. Amazing actually
THE EVIL WITHIN
Season Ticket Holder
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Jul 14 @ 8:15 PM ET
If they sell a million hot dogs a night great…
They’ll take it.

If they can sell 10million hot dogs in one fell swoop even better

- Stayin alive

😆 if they get Kessel 🌭 🌭 🌭 they can have a hotdog 🌭 night every third homegame 🥳
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jul 14 @ 8:15 PM ET
Actually, I posted a number of times that Fetcher was full of crap saying he was never in on Gaudreau. We know that to be false. You don't have the facts.




What the hell are you talking about? LOL There isn't a single post where I claimed that teams weren't over the upper limit in July. What I schooled you on is that all of those teams are already set up to be cap compliant and tried to educate you on the difference of teams that have an avenue already in place. Versus going over the cap using the off season 10% exemption without an avenue in place and having to find teams willing to help you out. What the risk is with that. This is the 4th time I have attempted to explain this to you. It is beyond your comprehension ability.

You've now sufficiently bored me and your credibility is down the drain.

- MJL



MJL
Yesterday @ 5:24 PM ET
😂😂😂😂😂 for an expert on the cap you’d think you’d know it does. They can be up to 10% over right now.

What other things need to be be down the line to sign others and get cap complient on day 1 have ZERO bearing on getting jg signed NOW.


you should know this
- Stayin alive


You're making a fool of yourself. Anyone who has even a basic understanding of the cap would realize that a team is not going to put themselves millions and millions over the cap in mid July in the hopes that they can somehow get cap compliant by the start of the season. Flyers have less than a million of available cap space. With Tippett and Frost still needing to be signed. Are you aware that there is now off season LTIR and that both Farabee and Ellis can be placed on it right now, as long as they can provide medical documentation that they will miss the first 10 games and or 24 days of the season? The Flyers aren't trying to get space with the 10%. They're trying to get space so they can fit Gaudreau in with a workable roster.


Here you go twit. From yesterday. Again please tell me how you NEVER said nothing about teams going over cap in July. You sir are proven wrong. We all know this. There’s a difference between (frank)ing opinion (which we all have) and (frank)ing facts or the understanding of facts vs opinion. You are once again proven a troll. Now I’m done with you. Shoo shoo little fly
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 14 @ 8:17 PM ET
😆 if they get Kessel 🌭 🌭 🌭 they can have a hotdog 🌭 night every third homegame 🥳
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Please don’t mention his name. That’s the exact kind of acquisition I could see Chuck trying to make right now
DrMidnite
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: False-Positive, Texas
Joined: 12.10.2010

Jul 14 @ 8:18 PM ET
Maybe. But I see him as more of a playmaker with his vision and passing skills.
- Minnyhock


Generational players should walk into the league at an all-star level.

Crosby had 100+ pts, McDavid had like 48 in 45 games, Lindros 75 pts in 60+ games.

We probably won't know until he plays in the league and if he instantly makes his linemates better.

If people are even debating it it's a great sign. And it's much better than the guys leading into last years draft.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 14 @ 8:22 PM ET
MJL
Yesterday @ 5:24 PM ET
😂😂😂😂😂 for an expert on the cap you’d think you’d know it does. They can be up to 10% over right now.

What other things need to be be down the line to sign others and get cap complient on day 1 have ZERO bearing on getting jg signed NOW.


you should know this
- Stayin alive


You're making a fool of yourself. Anyone who has even a basic understanding of the cap would realize that a team is not going to put themselves millions and millions over the cap in mid July in the hopes that they can somehow get cap compliant by the start of the season. Flyers have less than a million of available cap space. With Tippett and Frost still needing to be signed. Are you aware that there is now off season LTIR and that both Farabee and Ellis can be placed on it right now, as long as they can provide medical documentation that they will miss the first 10 games and or 24 days of the season? The Flyers aren't trying to get space with the 10%. They're trying to get space so they can fit Gaudreau in with a workable roster.


Here you go twit. From yesterday. Again please tell me how you NEVER said nothing about teams going over cap in July. You sir are proven wrong. We all know this. There’s a difference between (frank)ing opinion (which we all have) and (frank)ing facts or the understanding of facts vs opinion. You are once again proven a troll. Now I’m done with you. Shoo shoo little fly

- Stayin alive


You can't read.
therabbi
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Joined: 10.14.2020

Jul 14 @ 8:25 PM ET
actually we were so god awful at getting williams play time we gave him away
- 2Real

Painful we gave him away. Sharp too.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jul 14 @ 8:49 PM ET
How the heck does a team this bad not have a 2nd round pick until 2025?
- Flyers_01

because they're bad?
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jul 14 @ 8:53 PM ET
You can't read.

- MJL

Mjl” your making a fool of yourself. Anyone who has even a basic understanding of the cap would realize that a team is not going to put themselves millions and millions over the cap in mid July in the hopes that they can somehow get cap compliant by the start of the season”


Yea twit I can’t read.
Yes twit you said what you said
It is very clear what you said
And per usual it is wrong.
Per usual you’ll try to twist.


Sleep well

And you still haven’t replied to cap friendly link showing 6 teams over cap as of yesterday.

In mid July

That as quoted above no team would do


Troll crawl under your bridge
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corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Jul 14 @ 8:54 PM ET
Where is the good will for Hextall?? Certainly not from me. Hextall deserved to be fired, but right now so does Fletcher.
- jd250


no -- you think chuckles is a good gm -- your ability to evaluate talent is suspect, to say the least
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Jul 14 @ 8:56 PM ET
Painful we gave him away. Sharp too.
- therabbi


Stop -- they did not give jw away -- Markov was a BIG reason for the ECF run in 04.
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Jul 14 @ 8:56 PM ET
https://www.crossingbroad.com/2022/07/the-time-has-come-to-end-the-embarrassment-that-is-flyers-management.html

good read

- hello it's me 2050


HE PLAGIARIZED ME
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 14 @ 9:09 PM ET
Mjl” your making a fool of yourself. Anyone who has even a basic understanding of the cap would realize that a team is not going to put themselves millions and millions over the cap in mid July in the hopes that they can somehow get cap compliant by the start of the season”


Yea twit I can’t read.
Yes twit you said what you said
It is very clear what you said
And per usual it is wrong.
Per usual you’ll try to twist.


Sleep well

And you still haven’t replied to cap friendly link showing 6 teams over cap as of yesterday.

In mid July

That as quoted above no team would do


Troll crawl under your bridge

- Stayin alive[/img]


You can't read. I clearly explained that those teams that are over, already have an avenue in place to be cap compliant. So they are not at risk. They don't have to rely on another team to bail them out. So why are you posting to the link to show what I'm clearly talking about?
I've tried to explain to you why the Flyers can't just say we'll use the 10% overage to sign Gaudreau and then hope that another team will bail them out and take what they want to move so they can be cap compliant. Multiple times.


That's not saying that no team will go over the cap in July! Somehow you think I'm saying that.

What the frick are you talking about?

I'm the resident expert and most informed poster on this thread concerning the CBA and the salary cap and have been since it came out in 2005. End of story.

So if you're really done with me. Man up and mean it!

I honestly feel sorry for you.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jul 14 @ 9:59 PM ET
Do you know what good NHL players think when playing a team that employs players like Deslauriers, McEwen and Ristolainen? They hope they get heavy ice time against them so they can pad their stats. Yea, they might have to take a shot or two after playing in the Flyers end the entire shift and peppering the goalie with shots but it'll be worth it. The Flyers idea of becoming tougher to play against is pathetic.
- MJL


Pretty much summed it up right there. You who the toughest teams are to play against? The ones that control the puck the most. But hey, they can stream highlights of big checks for the 12,000 fans in attendance!
DrMidnite
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: False-Positive, Texas
Joined: 12.10.2010

Jul 14 @ 10:10 PM ET
They even made fun of Flyers on Around the Horn.

That Fletcher whined about it being tough to move $ to accommodate Gaudreau salary when that's pretty much what his job is.
Nivcheret
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.04.2019

Jul 14 @ 10:27 PM ET
Perfect. Needed to be published. 100% agreement with this and it crystallized how we all feel.

https://www.crossingbroad...is-flyers-management.html

- mikeyo27



Was about to paste that link. Sums up everything perfectly. Chucky is so pathetic it's like he's intentionally sabotaging this once storied franchise and brand. He's making Biden look competent.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jul 14 @ 10:29 PM ET
They even made fun of Flyers on Around the Horn.

That Fletcher whined about it being tough to move $ to accommodate Gaudreau salary when that's pretty much what his job is.

- DrMidnite

He’s awful. Anyone with any sense saw this coming when Fletcher was hired. We are now fully immersed in the Fletcher experience.
Hosher12
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.15.2020

Jul 14 @ 10:38 PM ET
Perfect. Needed to be published. 100% agreement with this and it crystallized how we all feel.

https://www.crossingbroad...is-flyers-management.html

- mikeyo27


I couldn’t agree more with this article. I’ve been a fan since 1968 and this team stinks from the top down right now.
Flush this turd of a management team down the toilet!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 14 @ 10:41 PM ET
He’s awful. Anyone with any sense saw this coming when Fletcher was hired. We are now fully immersed in the Fletcher experience.
- funmaster18



It's the country club experience. The lifetime members brain washed Scott and they brought in one of their good old boys. This what we get.
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