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hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 14 @ 1:42 PM ET
You mean promoted don’t you?
- Stayin alive

I wouldn’t trust Chuck to cook the corn dogs at the WFC at this rate.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Jul 14 @ 1:49 PM ET
it probably takes some time to get things set up and reap dividends
- 2Real


Agreed. Turning on the computer and hitting enter is time consuming.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 14 @ 1:51 PM ET
Patrick Brown still has a season, right?
Telek
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 10.02.2018

Jul 14 @ 1:53 PM ET
Patrick Brown still has a season, right?
- SuperSchennBros

Right
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 14 @ 1:54 PM ET
The Flyers as far as analytics are concerned are at the crawling stage. So far behind the rest of the league and the top teams. Teams like Chicago and Carolina. Chicago was heavy into analytics back over a decade ago during their cup runs. The Flyers are essentially an infant learning to crawl while the top teams have been grown up and running for years.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 14 @ 1:54 PM ET
He was interviewed in Montreal because he is french speaking.
- MJL

As you like to say any proof?
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Jul 14 @ 1:57 PM ET
The Flyers as far as analytics are concerned are at the crawling stage. So far behind the rest of the league and the top teams. Teams like Chicago and Carolina. Chicago was heavy into analytics back over a decade ago during their cup runs. The Flyers are essentially an infant learning to crawl while the top teams have been grown up and running for years.
- MJL


Kind of like salary cap management.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 14 @ 2:00 PM ET
Right
- Telek


Farabee-Couturier-Konency
JvR-Hayes-Atkinson
Laughton-Frost-Tippett
Deslauriers-Patrick-MacEwen

Provorov-DeAngelo (chuck’s words)
Sanheim-Ristolainen
York-Braun

Hart
Whoever career we choose to ruin before it begins.
iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

Jul 14 @ 2:01 PM ET
And apparently hired people who have no idea what they are doing.
- MBFlyerfan

Or, they don't listen to them.
therabbi
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Joined: 10.14.2020

Jul 14 @ 2:01 PM ET
Holmgren was actually a pretty good GM. At least his big moves for the most part worked. He gave up first rounders for Hartnell and Timonen. Not the Ristolainens of the world. He had his mistakes of course but nothing on the Fletcher scale.

Here is Fletcher

- MJL


Homer lost me at JvR.
iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

Jul 14 @ 2:04 PM ET
I thought about this - and perhaps Chuck knew the road this team was headed down and spared him out of respect.

But is it true we could have actually traded him and gotten something? And we didn’t? That’s the bigger failure imo

- anti-lame

Our FO specializes in miscalculating the market.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 14 @ 2:04 PM ET
Homer lost me at JvR.
- therabbi

Why?
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 14 @ 2:05 PM ET


This will be Hart at the end of the season.



- Flyers_01


He's the guy I feel most bad for next season.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Jul 14 @ 2:06 PM ET
Hindsight is 20/20 and all but I’m just thinking how we could have used those picks we traded for DeAngelo to move up to 3, take Wright and still have the money to be in the Gaudreau conversation regardless of a JVR trade with the Lindblom buyout/money not thrown at DeAngelo.

Possibly

Wright
Gaudreau

Instead

Reach on Cutter over Jiricek
DeAngelo
Deslauriers


- hereticpride

How was that a reach?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 14 @ 2:10 PM ET
Farabee-Couturier-Konency
JvR-Hayes-Atkinson
Laughton-Frost-Tippett
Deslauriers-Patrick-MacEwen

Provorov-DeAngelo (chuck’s words)
Sanheim-Ristolainen
York-Braun

Hart
Whoever career we choose to ruin before it begins.

- SuperSchennBros



Hopefully Wade Allison and Noah Cates are in there instead of Brown and MacEwen. Also would like to see Ratliffe challenge for a spot.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 14 @ 2:11 PM ET
Reports say JG had no performance or signing bonuses and also has no NMC.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jul 14 @ 2:12 PM ET
I'm embarrasing myself. LOL It doesn't matter how much you watch any player. The rest of the hockey world saw McAvoy as a top 5 Norris trophy defenseman and 2nd team all NHL. Which means he's one of the top 10 skaters in the NHL! But he's not worth his contract! He's a flat out stud!

So DeAngelo's comments that he's really working on his game is enough for you? Never mind the actual evidence of his defensive play. You can't be a complete stiff defensively and be a really good defenseman. If you want to say he's really good on the offensive side of the puck, you'd be okay.

I'm embarrasing myself.

- MJL

Let's review what I have posted about DeAngelo beyond his obvious stats. 1. he is a good player, 2. he is a good OFFENSIVE defenseman and 3. he is actively working to become a more complete player, specifically his defensive game.

If you disagree with any of these statements, it is you who are embarrassing yourself.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Jul 14 @ 2:12 PM ET
Right
- Telek



Does he have to clear waivers to be sent down to the AHL?
iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

Jul 14 @ 2:13 PM ET
But if they have no clue how to use the information what is the point?
- MBFlyerfan

If someone internally takes a hard look at this debacle, how they responded to this input is at least another factor to consider. I would hope that they would not need to get to this point to can Cliff but you never know. In the meantime, we'll see if a news person has the stones to ask Chuck about this.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 14 @ 2:13 PM ET
it probably takes some time to get things set up and reap dividends
- 2Real


lol - supply chain issues, chip shortages, probably don't have their computers yet
iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

Jul 14 @ 2:14 PM ET
Hopefully Wade Allison and Noah Cates are in there instead of Brown and MacEwen. Also would like to see Ratliffe challenge for a spot.
- MBFlyerfan

Yes to all of those names. Trade Laughton and get what you can for Brown and MacEwen and play the young guys. Especially with Torts around.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Jul 14 @ 2:16 PM ET
Yes to all of those names. Trade Laughton and get what you can for Brown and MacEwen and play the young guys. Especially with Torts around.
- iamscore2day


MacEwen isn't even on the team, he is a RFA right now. I will worry about him when they sign him.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 14 @ 2:16 PM ET
Boomer and Hahn on Sirius NHL say Flyers the top loser yesterday. They have no idea what they are doing. NO direction at all. Saying they should have tons of cap space. They are BAD and EXPENSIVE.

Asking who were they fighting against to give Deslauriers 4 years when it is quite clear no one was giving him 3 years?

"This coming season is a freight train to nowhere"

"Trying to understand what the Flyers THINK they are is just delusional"

"even if everything goes right, they are still just barely a bubble team"


MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 14 @ 2:17 PM ET
MacEwen isn't even on the team, he is a RFA right now. I will worry about him when they sign him.
- WhiskeyMan



Well, he was qualified so I think that means they have to sign him.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 14 @ 2:17 PM ET
Hopefully Wade Allison and Noah Cates are in there instead of Brown and MacEwen. Also would like to see Ratliffe challenge for a spot.
- MBFlyerfan

I have as about as much expectation for Allison to play as Ellis. The guy lifts up a water bottle and his wrist falls apart. I’m amazed anyone still has faith in him.
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