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Trilla
Ottawa Senators
Location: ON
Joined: 06.02.2013

Jul 13 @ 6:44 PM ET
what a terrible return....
- Mithos


I’m torn because he didn’t wanna be here so you don’t wanna drag it out.

At the same time Brown is a Swiss Army knife..those guys are coveted at the deadline.

Addition by subtraction: we got two top 6 forwards and lost a bottom 6 forward.

Easier to replace the bottom 6 guy.
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Jul 13 @ 6:45 PM ET
It's a bit surprising there wasn't a team to beat that offer. Not that Brown is elite but he's a durable 3rd line player. On the right team, he'd be a key piece. It's too bad the outlook after this season, he was likely gone, so now is a good time to move him as any.

The 2nd is ok for a return. Fairly certain that move moves are to come.

- Gord_Wilson_2.0


Sorry everyone, phone is nonstop now....at the deadline they could've got a 1st rounder for him....right now....they weren't getting anything else straight up on an expiring contract due to all the teams that didn't qualify quality RFA's....
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Jul 13 @ 6:46 PM ET
I’m torn because he didn’t wanna be here so you don’t wanna drag it out.

At the same time Brown is a Swiss Army knife..those guys are coveted at the deadline.

Addition by subtraction: we got two top 6 forwards and lost a bottom 6 forward.

Easier to replace the bottom 6 guy.

- Trilla


Agreed!
Mithos
Joined: 04.14.2021

Jul 13 @ 6:49 PM ET
It's a bit surprising there wasn't a team to beat that offer. Not that Brown is elite but he's a durable 3rd line player. On the right team, he'd be a key piece. It's too bad the outlook after this season, he was likely gone, so now is a good time to move him as any.

The 2nd is ok for a return. Fairly certain that move moves are to come.

- Gord_Wilson_2.0



that should scare everyone, i still think dorion is a moron, finding a dumber GM in letting Cat got a so little does not make him a genious, if he gets any D but Theodore or Chychrun its a massive L for OTT, Marino is Zeitsev 2.0 and weegar IMO is way overrated will want 6m+ long term on his next deal.
david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

Jul 13 @ 6:51 PM ET
Sorry everyone, phone is nonstop now....at the deadline they could've got a 1st rounder for him....right now....they weren't getting anything else straight up on an expiring contract due to all the teams that didn't qualify quality RFA's....
- Kevin Francis



People keep saying this, am I the only one who thinks he isn't worth that?
And I say that as someone who likes Brown just fine.
Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Jul 13 @ 6:55 PM ET
that should scare everyone, i still think dorion is a moron, finding a dumber GM in letting Cat got a so little does not make him a genious, if he gets any D but Theodore or Chychrun its a massive L for OTT, Marino is Zeitsev 2.0 and weegar IMO is way overrated will want 6m+ long term on his next deal.
- Mithos

I will agree with your thoughts on Marino. The stuff I have read on him in the last 24 hours or so leave me with a meh feeling if the Sens were to acquire him. I'd much rather aim for Chychrun or Weager. I wonder if there are some other names floating around that we haven't touched on yet.

Dorion has not had a great rep during his GM tenure but the last week has been pretty impressive. I am sorry that you don't feel the same but there is a sense of optimism about this team now that hasn't been seen in years.

The moves may or may not work. That's why you play the games. However, hard not to argue this team is better today than it was at game 82 of last season.
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Jul 13 @ 6:57 PM ET
I will agree with your thoughts on Marino. The stuff I have read on him in the last 24 hours or so leave me with a meh feeling if the Sens were to acquire him. I'd much rather aim for Chychrun or Weager. I wonder if there are some other names floating around that we haven't touched on yet.

Dorion has not had a great rep during his GM tenure but the last week has been pretty impressive. I am sorry that you don't feel the same but there is a sense of optimism about this team now that hasn't been seen in years.

The moves may or may not work. That's why you play the games. However, hard not to argue this team is better today than it was at game 82 of last season.

- Gord_Wilson_2.0


Ryan Bowness would know Marino more than other writer or online expert...so if he feels Ottawa should deal for him, I will refer to the pro and our new AGM. Time will tell.
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Jul 13 @ 6:57 PM ET

Kevin Francis
@KevinFr65525204
Sens pushing hard to get a deal done tonight regarding top 4 D. Pens have 9 on defense under contract and need cap relief big time
Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Jul 13 @ 6:57 PM ET
People keep saying this, am I the only one who thinks he isn't worth that?
And I say that as someone who likes Brown just fine.

- david22

I feel the 1st rounder would have come from a team like Tampa or Colorado. I'd find it hard to believe non-elite teams would fork up a quality first rounder for a 3rd liner but I have seen stranger trades in this league.

2nd rounder is fine and an asset than can be used in a variety of ways.
Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Jul 13 @ 6:58 PM ET
Ryan Bowness would know Marino more than other writer or online expert...so if he feels Ottawa should deal for him, I will refer to the pro and our new AGM. Time will tell.
- Kevin Francis

That's absolutely fair. We can only do so much from our keyboards.
Trilla
Ottawa Senators
Location: ON
Joined: 06.02.2013

Jul 13 @ 7:00 PM ET
People keep saying this, am I the only one who thinks he isn't worth that?
And I say that as someone who likes Brown just fine.

- david22


Yes he’s worth it.

He’s a versatile forward who plays up and down the lineup.

One of the best PK scorers, can play pp and is on a reasonable cap hit, which only gets better by the deadline.
Mithos
Joined: 04.14.2021

Jul 13 @ 7:03 PM ET
Ryan Bowness would know Marino more than other writer or online expert...so if he feels Ottawa should deal for him, I will refer to the pro and our new AGM. Time will tell.
- Kevin Francis


these the same ppl who think Zeitsev is elite? ya we should really trust their judgement if they though, said zeitsev was elite...
Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Jul 13 @ 7:05 PM ET
these the same ppl who think Zeitsev is elite? ya we should really trust their judgement if they though, said zeitsev was elite...
- Mithos

Ryan Bowness was just hired a couple of weeks ago by the Sens. He didn't bring in or comment on Zaitsev. Embrace a little change.
Trilla
Ottawa Senators
Location: ON
Joined: 06.02.2013

Jul 13 @ 7:07 PM ET
Kevin Francis
@KevinFr65525204
Sens pushing hard to get a deal done tonight regarding top 4 D. Pens have 9 on defense under contract and need cap relief big time

- Kevin Francis


Ugh I don’t like any of their Dmen. Only one I’d entertain is POJ.
david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

Jul 13 @ 7:12 PM ET
Gaudreau signing with Columbus. The top 8 teams wont have such a gap between the bottom teams this year.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 13 @ 7:21 PM ET
Ryan Bowness was just hired a couple of weeks ago by the Sens. He didn't bring in or comment on Zaitsev. Embrace a little change.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0


When the Sens traded Foligno for Methot some folks were outraged. It took awhile for fans to appreciate how important this physical Dman was in allowing Karlsson's game to flourish.

We have to trust that the Sens are looking for a right fit for Chabot, Zub and Sanderson. At first, like others, I thought Methot was just a plodder. Would be great if the Sens could add a big body like Methot. Chychrun has Methot size and better skill.
HoweHatrick
Joined: 01.02.2014

Jul 13 @ 7:25 PM ET
that should scare everyone, i still think dorion is a moron, finding a dumber GM in letting Cat got a so little does not make him a genious, if he gets any D but Theodore or Chychrun its a massive L for OTT, Marino is Zeitsev 2.0 and weegar IMO is way overrated will want 6m+ long term on his next deal.
- Mithos


Well I am pretty sure he (and just about everyone else) doesn't give a rat's ass what you think. Go cheer for the Leafs. You will fit right in buddy.



I am tired of the negative bullsh!t folks. If you want to piss and moan, I will be your huckleberry.
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Jul 13 @ 7:26 PM ET
That's absolutely fair. We can only do so much from our keyboards.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0


You got it buddy!
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Jul 13 @ 7:27 PM ET
When the Sens traded Foligno for Methot some folks were outraged. It took awhile for fans to appreciate how important this physical Dman was in allowing Karlsson's game to flourish.

We have to trust that the Sens are looking for a right fit for Chabot, Zub and Sanderson. At first, like others, I thought Methot was just a plodder. Would be great if the Sens could add a big body like Methot. Chychrun has Methot size and better skill.

- spatso


Exactly, you gotta know the fit with the team....great point on Methot....heck to take it a step further was Filip Kuba ever a top 2 or 4 Dman on any other team he played on? No....but he was perfect to play with Karlsson in terms of the fit!
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Jul 13 @ 7:28 PM ET
Gaudreau signing with Columbus. The top 8 teams wont have such a gap between the bottom teams this year.
- david22


Devils will go all in on Kadri now!
HoweHatrick
Joined: 01.02.2014

Jul 13 @ 7:28 PM ET
People keep saying this, am I the only one who thinks he isn't worth that?
And I say that as someone who likes Brown just fine.

- david22


Its simply timing. Do you wait the full season to (maybe) get a first for Brown or do you go after your D man target now?
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Jul 13 @ 7:29 PM ET
these the same ppl who think Zeitsev is elite? ya we should really trust their judgement if they though, said zeitsev was elite...
- Mithos


As I said, Bowness and Mann will be great in helping PD, fresh ideas and eyes....
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Jul 13 @ 7:29 PM ET
Its simply timing. Do you wait the full season to (maybe) get a first for Brown or do you go after your D man target now?
- HoweHatrick


Exactly, they had to do it.....I'm telling you Brown wanted out....I will write about it at a later date but I knew this back at the Canadian Open...had the chance to talk to him then off the record.
HoweHatrick
Joined: 01.02.2014

Jul 13 @ 7:32 PM ET
As I said, Bowness and Mann will be great in helping PD, fresh ideas and eyes....
- Kevin Francis


Absolutely.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 13 @ 7:34 PM ET
Well I am pretty sure he (and just about everyone else) doesn't give a rat's ass what you think. Go cheer for the Leafs. You will fit right in buddy.



I am tired of the negative bullsh!t folks. If you want to piss and moan, I will be your huckleberry.

- HoweHatrick


Moon River originally recorded by Audrey Hepburn, music by Henry Mancini lyrics by Johnny Mercer.
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