I still think Sens retain 25% and Arizona is 3rd team, based on nothing
- Canada Cup

Its all speculation, but if a team is going to buy a player or pick, it might make sense for it to be a team that is financially sound. Arizona for all their great drafting this year will still be hard pressed to sell out their bush league 5000 seat venue that is supposed to be their rink for the next 2 or 3 seasons. But carry on.

Washington needs a LHD🤔
- mr.sir

Dump Muzzin.

You may not agree with me Cupsie, but many goalies (not all) are not consistent over the long haul. More specifically many are susceptible to a really bad season or two. That said, the numbers for these three aren't that far apart .

Murray: Regular Season 2.77 GAA, .911 SV% over 246 games
Playoffs 2.18 GAA, .921 SV% over 51 games
Mrazek: Regular Season 2.64 GAA , .909 SV% over 295 games
Playoffs 2.43 GAA, .911 SV% over 29 games
Campbell : Regular Season 2.53 GAA, .916 SV% over 135 games
Playoffs 2.45 GAA, .915 SV% over 14 games

Only thing that pops out is the playoff numbers for Murray.
- winsix

Because Pittsburgh. And had Fleury around to help do some lifting.

You may not agree with me Cupsie, but many goalies (not all) are not consistent over the long haul. More specifically many are susceptible to a really bad season or two. That said, the numbers for these three aren't that far apart .

Murray: Regular Season 2.77 GAA, .911 SV% over 246 games
Playoffs 2.18 GAA, .921 SV% over 51 games
Mrazek: Regular Season 2.64 GAA , .909 SV% over 295 games
Playoffs 2.43 GAA, .911 SV% over 29 games
Campbell : Regular Season 2.53 GAA, .916 SV% over 135 games
Playoffs 2.45 GAA, .915 SV% over 14 games

Only thing that pops out is the playoff numbers for Murray.
- winsix

I don’t disagree. Part of Jack’s issue emerged when Mrazek went down and he had to carry the load himself. The brain trust seems to be looking for a tandem (which they thought they were getting with Mrazek) by bringing in Murray cheap.

Why would they be talking if its a buyout situation?

I think the Leafs are in the driver's seat here. The biggest issue for Ottawa is that Murray is still owed $8M and $7M for the final two seasons and as we have seen Ottawa is about as cheap a franchise as there is (with good reason) Time for Dubas to bend Duh-rion over on this one.

To Sens Justin Holl

To Chicago 2nd Round pick (from Leafs) , Murray 50% retained by Ottawa

To Leafs Brannstrom (from Sens), Murray 50% retained by Chicago
- winsix

No GM is this stupid, not even Dorion. Also, I dont think teams can take on all of the cap hit.

Because Pittsburgh. And had Fleury around to help do some lifting.
- Rare_Jewel

You certainly didn’t watch the Penguins in 2016 and probably missed most of 2017. You can argue he’s not the same guy but you’re just throwing up poop now.

No GM is this stupid, not even Dorion. Also, I dont think teams can take on all of the cap hit.
- Archaic

Ottawa retains 50% of the 6.25M cap, then Chicago retains 50% of the remaining 3.125M cap.

Leaving the Leafs to pay Murray a whopping 1.56M

No GM is this stupid, not even Dorion. Also, I dont think teams can take on all of the cap hit.
- Archaic

I agree but the second 50% is 50% of what’s left after the Sens retain

No GM is this stupid, not even Dorion. Also, I dont think teams can take on all of the cap hit.
- Archaic

Team A retains 50%. Team B retains 50% of what's left. 75% total, and that's the max.

No GM is this stupid, not even Dorion. Also, I dont think teams can take on all of the cap hit.
- Archaic

Should I explain it again?

You certainly didn’t watch the Penguins in 2016 and probably missed most of 2017. You can argue he’s not the same guy but you’re just throwing up poop now.
- Canada Cup

Fleury played 58 games to Murray's 13 in 2016. He got hot in the playoffs but Murray did not play a full season before the playoffs.

In 2017, he only played 11 playoff games after 49 regular season games.

Without the Penguins and Fleury in front of him, the results could very well have been different.

If the expectation is for Murray to play as a starter and then a full playoff, given his injury history and the Leafs lackluster blueline, its a pipe dream doomed from the start.

Keep your insults to yourself.

I agree but the second 50% is 50% of what’s left after the Sens retain
- Canada Cup

Got it, ive never seen it positioned like that in any trade, theyve only ever referred to it as % of the cap hit. I get what you are saying now.

Fleury played 58 games to Murray's 13 in 2016. He got hot in the playoffs but Murray did not play a full season before the playoffs.

In 2017, he only played 11 playoff games after 49 regular season games.

Without the Penguins and Fleury in front of him, the results could very well have been different.

If the expectation is for Murray to play as a starter and then a full playoff, given his injury history and the Leafs lackluster blueline, its a pipe dream doomed from the start.

Keep your insults to yourself.
- Rare_Jewel

We were talking about the playoffs. Fluery didn’t play in 2016. Murray came in after game 1 or 2 with the Pens 1-1 and took them to the Cup. He’s one of 3 or 4 rookies to do that. He was 15-6 with a .923%. Pittsburgh weren’t the favourites.

He and Fluery split the net the next year. He was injured in the warmup for gane 1 and Fluery started. He returned after the first two rounds and dominated Renne in the final. He was .937% and 7-3.

So I apologize. Maybe you did watch these playoffs and your comment that it was really Fluery has some deeper meaning.

Fantastic argument to fire Keefe and replace him with a coach (Trotz) who can elevate the play of the defense and the goaltending.
- Rare_Jewel

There's certainly an argument to that. This team would have to be completely decimated from top-to-bottom to fit a Barry Trotz style. The team would be boring, but they'd get to the 2nd round of the playoffs. I think he's one of the best defensive coaches in hockey and in 23 years of coaching, he has 1 cup. I believe he's made it to the conference finals once as well (twice including the cup year).

There are no guarantees. This Leafs team is capable of a lot more and in my opinion they don't need to blow it up and change everything about everything to do so.

There's certainly an argument to that. This team would have to be completely decimated from top-to-bottom to fit a Barry Trotz style. The team would be boring, but they'd get to the 2nd round of the playoffs. I think he's one of the best defensive coaches in hockey and in 23 years of coaching, he has 1 cup. I believe he's made it to the conference finals once as well (twice including the cup year).

There are no guarantees. This Leafs team is capable of a lot more and in my opinion they don't need to blow it up and change everything about everything to do so.
- Monkeypunk

Interesting how Trotz won when he had his most skilled roster

https://twitter.com/Marne...tatus/1546545874804908032

There's certainly an argument to that. This team would have to be completely decimated from top-to-bottom to fit a Barry Trotz style. The team would be boring, but they'd get to the 2nd round of the playoffs. I think he's one of the best defensive coaches in hockey and in 23 years of coaching, he has 1 cup. I believe he's made it to the conference finals once as well (twice including the cup year).

There are no guarantees. This Leafs team is capable of a lot more and in my opinion they don't need to blow it up and change everything about everything to do so.
- Monkeypunk

Don't think everybody would have to be decimated, just the supporting cast. Matthews and Marner have no problem playing defense and Tavares is a character who will buy in. So would Rielly.

Trotz spent a lot of time building a Nashville team and an Islanders team with limited talent. But with the Capitals, who are and were similar to the Leafs in a few ways, he did fantastic. He's a definite improvement and they can afford to throw him whatever money he wants to agree.

do we know if Kase was qualified or will he become ufa ?

do we know if Kase was qualified or will be become ufa ?
- dmnted

Leafs pretty well only team not listed yet. Caps didn’t qualify Samsonov.

Edit - Kase not qualified

Leafs pretty well only team not listed yet. Caps didn’t qualify Samsonov
- Canada Cup

Samsonov

Leafs pretty well only team not listed yet. Caps didn’t qualify Samsonov
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They must be huge on Keumper/Campbell or a trade like Gibson

Samsonov
- .HOHO.

I hate Murray a lot less if there's a young tender with a pile of upside on a cheap contract acquired with nothing but $$$ behind him.

do we know if Kase was qualified or will be become ufa ?
- dmnted

He's likely gone. Luckily, Pittsburgh didn't qualify Danton Heinen so maybe that's a possible pick-up. He played well for Boston years back and chipped in 18 goals last year. Seems a lot less injury prone and skates well.

Samsonov to the rescue?

Seattle got so lucky.

Beniers last year and Wright this year
- PatC80

Lucky is getting Z @ 9, Drysdale @ 6 and Zellweger in the 3rd ...