Agreed. He’s a good goalie who’s been injured but was still good in a small sample last year. A lower cap would have given some cover so they could bring in someone else in case things turn sour. So this is a big roll of the dice by Dubas.
- Canada Cup

will wait and see, but Keumper/Campbell probably get 4 or 5 years each. at 5'ish
Leafs must already know some details on them, who and how much...no tampering of course.

Both of those goalies are decent risks also at that term and cap.

this whole situation

It's win win, he plays better because he's on a far superior team or he goes to Robida island and Leafs get cap space
- bobbyisno1

....and have to trade more assets to get a another goalie?
Yeah winning.

....and have to trade more assets to get a another goalie?
Yeah winning.
- Fakepartofme

well they have a 2023 pick in the 3rd round to work with in that case

I've always felt Matty 2 Cups was the goalie of the future and faking his injuries in Ottawa to go home was the right move.

I've always felt Matty 2 Cups was the goalie of the future and faking his injuries in Ottawa to go home was the right move.
- AdamFrench

Murray for Vezina🏆

Murray for Vezina🏆
- mr.sir

why not, goalies make no sense

Agree. Hasn't played any of his good cards yet. More to come here folks. Just getting started, I feel.
- Leafsmart

🤣

will wait and see, but Keumper/Campbell probably get 4 or 5 years each. at 5'ish
Leafs must already know some details on them, who and how much...no tampering of course.

Both of those goalies are decent risks also at that term and cap.

this whole situation
- senstroll

Remember, this whole situation comes about because Campbell couldn’t string 3 months of good goaltending together. Leafs weren’t prepared to pay him to be a number one guy. That leaves them competing with Washington for Kuemper for the only other legit starter on the market. That would have driven the price beyond $5 IMO or left them dry.

They concluded Murray was the best of the rest. He probably has the potential to be but again, a lower price would have made it less risky.

why not, goalies make no sense
- senstroll

They are as unique as breakfast tacos

Feels like this is Dubas' hail mary pass into triple coverage.

He has to be done if this fails.

....and have to trade more assets to get a another goalie?
Yeah winning.
- Fakepartofme

And what goalie with any pedigree, past or present, is going to get for less?

Remember, this whole situation comes about because Campbell couldn’t string 3 months of good goaltending together. Leafs weren’t prepared to pay him to be a number one guy. That leaves them competing with Washington for Kuemper for the only other legit starter on the market. That would have driven the price beyond $5 IMO or left them dry.

They concluded Murray was the best of the rest. He probably has the potential to be but again, a lower price would have made it less risky.
- Canada Cup

Is that what they told you?
Higher retention would make this more palatable.

Anywho, FA in one day

Rolling the dice on Matt Murray.

I wasn't a fan of the idea before so I won't change my tune now.

And he's still signed for another year after this one.

Quite the gamble by Dubiedobidou

Sadly yes, although I do expect better from bloggers.

On the other hand it is a Habs blogger who is behaving perfectly in line with all the Habs fans I know in real life. I think this website is the only place I have seen any Habs fans that aren't absolute insufferable bumholes all the time.
- Aetherial

Funny, can’t really say the same about Leaf fans.

Toronto Bag Head’s Twitter is quite the show tonight. Don’t take it too seriously Leaf fans, some of it is funny stuff, some stupid and some informative…

Didn’t know Matt Murray attended the Freedom Convoy for instance.
- DrunkenCanuck

Is this confirmed?

Rolling the dice on Matt Murray.

I wasn't a fan of the idea before so I won't change my tune now.

And he's still signed for another year after this one.

Quite the gamble by Dubiedobidou
- Scabeh

Thats a very nice way to put it...ill remember this if the Habs ever make an extremely stupid move, and be much more kind

Rolling the dice on Matt Murray.

I wasn't a fan of the idea before so I won't change my tune now.

And he's still signed for another year after this one.

Quite the gamble by Dubiedobidou
- Scabeh

Desparate move.

Remember, this whole situation comes about because Campbell couldn’t string 3 months of good goaltending together. Leafs weren’t prepared to pay him to be a number one guy. That leaves them competing with Washington for Kuemper for the only other legit starter on the market. That would have driven the price beyond $5 IMO or left them dry.

They concluded Murray was the best of the rest. He probably has the potential to be but again, a lower price would have made it less risky.
- Canada Cup

Right. So….blame Campbell.

Wouldn’t want to take a closer look at how this organization manages the goaltending position?

Right. So….blame Campbell.
- fifty__missions

The truth is, Campbell is not a top goalie, but to even think Murray is going to be better then Campbell is absurd. Campbell wasnt the reason the Leafs last to Tampa, there is no doubt about that.

Right. So….blame Campbell.
- fifty__missions

First game vs Oilers

Fire a high slapper over his head👍

Desparate move.
- Fakepartofme

cant wait to look at the side by side year end stats for Campbell, Keumper and Murray

cant wait to look at the side by side year end stats for Campbell, Keumper and Murray
- senstroll

Don’t forget Andersen

I don't love it b/c I agree ..i thought he'd have more leverage.

But Marleau was different. Nobody wanted PM at more than minimum salary. There was no trade/retention option. And the buyout was not an option b/c of how Lou arranged the contract. They had to find a team to buy him out for them saving them 6M in cap space.

If Dubas is guilty in this deal ..it's that he believes in their ability to turn MM around. He HAS to be right or he's (frank)ed.
- The Law

While this is true, I think that the frustration for me is that for all of the things this management team has done that are arguable in terms of their purpose or value, this one is likely the least defensible. It feels like they have forgotten how much we desperately need cap space. $1.1m in cap space (the addition over Mrazek) is a massive amount to the Leafs for a massive risk in Murray.

I mean, look if Ottawa would do 25%, get them to do 30%. Optically it's no big deal, but it reduces the Cap to $4.34 to the Leafs. Now getting a team to eat $2.5m for two years is realistically very expensive in hindsight. Could you get an Arizona or Chicago to eat $1m for 2 years for a 3rd? Could they have eaten $1.5m or $2m for a 2nd?

To the Leafs, cap is king. Getting Murray down to $2.5m or lower and getting Ottawa to pony up for it was the key to this being successful in my opinion. Getting him at nearly twice that cap hit is unacceptable.

Thats a very nice way to put it...ill remember this if the Habs ever make an extremely stupid move, and be much more kind
- Archaic

Hey, I'm a nice guy and I don't want to antagonize anyone.

Don’t forget Andersen
- mr.sir

i have no idea who that is