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LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jul 10 @ 11:12 PM ET
I do as well. Has the skill set for sure.
- SteveRain


Well you have Phillips, Galvas, Vlasic, Beadin, Allen, Regula probably slated for Rockford that are ahead of him.
pdx2ord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Portland, OR
Joined: 09.02.2015

Jul 10 @ 11:13 PM ET
I’m glad they’re bringing back Kurashev, I think there’s more potential there.

I’m surprised they’re not qualifying Kalynuk.

- DarthKane


Really starting to lend some weight to the theory that all things StanBo touched must die
SC116
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 08.29.2015

Jul 10 @ 11:16 PM ET
Once Kane and Toews are gone, what is there left to like about the Blackhawks? The uniforms?
- BMWChiFan


Actually - based on prior experience from the early 2000's - that's spot on.
pdx2ord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Portland, OR
Joined: 09.02.2015

Jul 10 @ 11:18 PM ET
An answer to my earlier question. I really did (and still do) wonder how we'll ice two teams without prematurely promoting (Boqvist'ing, Dach'ing) the promising prospects:

@Mario_Tirabassi
19m
Chicago is going to have to be very active in free agency. They currently have 14 NHL forwards and only FIVE non-NHL forwards on the books for next season.
pdx2ord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Portland, OR
Joined: 09.02.2015

Jul 10 @ 11:21 PM ET
@AlCimaglia
While the hockey world looks on in amazement at the "rebuild" tactics that have been followed in Chicago. It should be noted the team with the worst record in the league since the 2005 Lockout, has only been awarded the #1 pick in 8 of 16 years.

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Good thing it's a really deep draft. Will we or AZ get the coveted top 3 protected slot?
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jul 10 @ 11:22 PM ET
An answer to my earlier question. I really did (and still do) wonder how we'll ice two teams without prematurely promoting (Boqvist'ing, Dach'ing) the promising prospects:

@Mario_Tirabassi
19m
Chicago is going to have to be very active in free agency. They currently have 14 NHL forwards and only FIVE non-NHL forwards on the books for next season.

- pdx2ord

They have some AHL contract to fill spots. Plus some overagers they just drafted who aren't NCAA commits.
ChicagoHope
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Lyndon, IL
Joined: 08.13.2007

Jul 10 @ 11:24 PM ET
An answer to my earlier question. I really did (and still do) wonder how we'll ice two teams without prematurely promoting (Boqvist'ing, Dach'ing) the promising prospects:

@Mario_Tirabassi
19m
Chicago is going to have to be very active in free agency. They currently have 14 NHL forwards and only FIVE non-NHL forwards on the books for next season.

- pdx2ord

Active, but not for high level players, they are content to tank this year. This team is going full rebuild, they want to give themselves a shot at Bedard. I will say this about Davidson, the guy has some balls, and he clearly is going to do things his way!! If his plan fails, he at least is doing what the Hawks should have done after getting swept by the Preds in 2016.
pdx2ord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Portland, OR
Joined: 09.02.2015

Jul 10 @ 11:27 PM ET
Active, but not for high level players, they are content to tank this year. This team is going full rebuild, they want to give themselves a shot at Bedard. I will say this about Davidson, the guy has some balls, and he clearly is going to do things his way!! If his plan fails, he at least is doing what the Hawks should have done after getting swept by the Preds in 2016.
- ChicagoHope


I am going to LMAO if, in the style of Vegas in year 1, a rag-tag band of also-rans and castoffs actually foils all of KD's big plans.

(not saying I think it's likely)
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jul 10 @ 11:27 PM ET
@AlCimaglia
While the hockey world looks on in amazement at the "rebuild" tactics that have been followed in Chicago. It should be noted the team with the worst record in the league since the 2005 Lockout, has only been awarded the #1 pick in 8 of 16 years.

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Good thing it's a really deep draft. Will we get one of the top 3 protected slots?

- pdx2ord

It depends on where they finish. With this roster I would guess they are going to one of the 3 worse teams in the league.

Teams in the top 3 can only fall back two spots. I assume you can do the math from there. If they finish last, #3 is the worse they can pick and so on
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jul 10 @ 11:29 PM ET
I am going to LMAO if, in the style of Vegas in year 1, a rag-tag band of also-rans and castoffs actually foils all of KD's big plans.

(not saying I think it's likely)

- pdx2ord

Well, except the Vegas bunch of ragtags were actual NHL players. This roster for the Hawks is far closer to an expansion team entering the league in the 90's or early 00's
pdx2ord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Portland, OR
Joined: 09.02.2015

Jul 10 @ 11:31 PM ET
It depends on where they finish. With this roster I would guess they are going to one of the 3 worse teams in the league.

Teams in the top 3 can only fall back two spots. I assume you can do the math from there. If they finish last, #3 is the worse they can pick and so on

- Elbows15


Yeah, thanks for clarifying the rule. Agree with you on our likely placement and high likelihood we'll get a very skilled draftee.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jul 10 @ 11:32 PM ET
A big part of the last run for me was watching the team accumulate tons of talent in about 2005 or so. Then each subsequent season see another and another player start to shine, Keith and Seabrook then the drafting of Toews in 2006, I still remember where I was when I heard it. Then the following year drafting Kane. The next season those two making the Hawks after each had a great WJC. The firing of Savard and acquisition of Q. Getting tickets to see them play the Leafs in 2009. Getting Sharp then Hossa. The emergence of Bolland, Hjalmarsson, Buff, Versteeg and others. Everything falling into place right before my eyes. The 2010 season with two very average goalies then that night in Philly which I thought I’d never witness in my lifetime. So I’m here to hopefully watch it happen again, or not, but either way it’s a way to put aside the real problems in life.
- paulr

Sharp was long before Hossa. 05-06 season he was acquired.
ChicagoHope
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Lyndon, IL
Joined: 08.13.2007

Jul 10 @ 11:35 PM ET
Well, except the Vegas bunch of ragtags were actual NHL players. This roster for the Hawks is far closer to an expansion team entering the league in the 90's or early 00's
- Elbows15

This team will be damn lucky to score 2 goals a game. I fully expect 19 and 88 to be gone. Kane to NYR, excites me, they have very good young players and picks. Philly, not so much. As for Toews, they will have to pay some of his salary to dump him. Love the Captain, but he will be lucky to bring back even a 2nd rounder.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jul 10 @ 11:36 PM ET
Yeah, thanks for clarifying the rule. Agree with you on our likely placement and high likelihood we'll get a very skilled draftee.
- pdx2ord

Good thing there are 3, maybe 4, players considered franchise type of players. Its also considered to be an extremely deep draft. Like 70 players deep. Its why not getting a 2023 pick in addition to the 2022 pick is irritating.

Given that KD admitted he didn't push for more makes it even more irritating.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jul 10 @ 11:40 PM ET
This team will be damn lucky to score 2 goals a game. I fully expect 19 and 88 to be gone. Kane to NYR, excites me, they have very good young players and picks. Philly, not so much. As for Toews, they will have to pay some of his salary to dump him. Love the Captain, but he will be lucky to bring back even a 2nd rounder.
- ChicagoHope

I wouldn't hold my breath for getting much for Kane. He controls his market and that will limit the return. My guess is at best a 2nd and a C level prospect in the summer and maybe a late 1st and the same level prospect at the TDL.

2 goals? This team is going to give a far different meaning to One Goal. I wonder what the record is for being shut out in a season. Cause this roster is going to flirt with that record. If not smash it.
ChicagoHope
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Lyndon, IL
Joined: 08.13.2007

Jul 10 @ 11:42 PM ET
Also, keep in mind 19 and 88, are only going to waive their NMC’’s to team that give them a chance to win a lot. Those teams will give the Hawks picks very late in the 1st round, but they also need to build the system up majorly, so any kind of pick in the 1st or 2nd round could, key word could help going forward.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Jul 10 @ 11:42 PM ET
I get the anger on debrincat. Many were assuming they would get 2, 1sts and a nhl ready player.

The million dollar question here is what is the internal budget set at? Knowing they will have a dip in attendance, viewership, is this something set low to not keep long term deals on the books?

I expect some reaches on ufa day to be flipped come trade deadline day.

Think that and then of course what the wonder twins decide to do (stay, ask out, etc) are all we have left.

- SteveRain

I have to wonder why a team like Detroit didn't take a run at ADB, he's a local area kid and Yzerman had picks 8 and 39. It just seemed a natural fit to a team without much offence up front. Or did Stevie Y just dust off KD as some rookie that he didn't want to be bothered with?

And Buffalo had 3 picks in Round 1, ADB would have been a nice fit.

Or did KD overplay his hand in the trade talks with other GM's and he was left with Dorion who was willing to do a deal?
ChicagoHope
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Lyndon, IL
Joined: 08.13.2007

Jul 10 @ 11:44 PM ET
I wouldn't hold my breath for getting much for Kane. He controls his market and that will limit the return. My guess is at best a 2nd and a C level prospect in the summer and maybe a late 1st and the same level prospect at the TDL.

2 goals? This team is going to give a far different meaning to One Goal. I wonder what the record is for being shut out in a season. Cause this roster is going to flirt with that record. If not smash it.

- Elbows15

Elbows, beat me to it. I agree with everything you said, but the Hawks better make teams pay if they want 88.
ChicagoHope
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Lyndon, IL
Joined: 08.13.2007

Jul 10 @ 11:48 PM ET
I have to wonder why a team like Detroit didn't take a run at ADB, he's a local area kid and Yzerman had picks 8 and 39. It just seemed a natural fit to a team without much offence up front. Or did Stevie Y just dust off KD as some rookie that he didn't want to be bothered with?

And Buffalo had 3 picks in Round 1, ADB would have been a nice fit.

Or did KD overplay his hand in the trade talks with other GM's and he was left with Dorion who was willing to do a deal?

- RickJ

I think KD was so content to get into the 1st round that he was willing to do so without getting the best deal. He should have got more for ADB.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jul 10 @ 11:52 PM ET
Sharp was long before Hossa. 05-06 season he was acquired.
- Elbows15


LMAO
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jul 10 @ 11:53 PM ET
Elbows, beat me to it. I agree with everything you said, but the Hawks better make teams pay if they want 88.
- ChicagoHope



If Kane doesn’t sign an extension with a team he agrees to go to, the return will be very underwhelming
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Jul 10 @ 11:53 PM ET
Held on to Cat until I got my price. And if not, he is still young enough to have value for a few more season. So what if he is going to make 9M or so. I keep Kane too and look to move others. Given what they got for Cat, the return wouldn't have been much different in moving Jones.
- Elbows15

Correct, the part about getting rid of Dinky because he was going to cost too much is BS. All you would have are Dinky and Jones. There is a cap floor.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jul 10 @ 11:58 PM ET
Correct, the part about getting rid of Dinky because he was going to cost too much is BS. All you would have are Dinky and Jones. There is a cap floor.

- rpeters01


And the next year he is a UFA if he doesn’t sign an extension, and if you don’t want to commit 7 or 8 years at probably $10 mi. Per you could lose him for nothing.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jul 10 @ 11:59 PM ET
If Kane doesn’t sign an extension with a team he agrees to go to, the return will be very underwhelming
- LAHawk


An extension to his contract can be made after July 13. So it's likely Davidson would allow Brinson to negotiate with Kane's choice of teams.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jul 11 @ 12:01 AM ET
And the next year he is a UFA if he doesn’t sign an extension, and if you don’t want to commit 7 or 8 years at probably $10 mi. Per you could lose him for nothing.
- LAHawk

They still had two years of control for Cat. My guess is he would have signed an extension unless the Hawks didn't want to pay for one.

And they would have been paying 9M this season anyway.
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