Here's the roster for the July 11-15 (tomorrow through Fri) development camp. Several of the recent draftees to be there.

https://www.nhl.com/black...t-camp-roster/c-334908256
- boilermaker100

After you mentioned retaining salary on Toews and Kane, since they aren't qualifying any RFA's, i don't think they will sign any quality FAs. Cap space will probably used to retain salary and take salary back. Can see them being part of a 3 team deal as well.

Some great analysis on Nazar, here. Lot's to love here. He just looks so savvy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc3ndzrqNFA

Some great analysis on Nazar, here. Lot's to love here. He just looks so savvy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc3ndzrqNFA
- Fat_Tony_Amonte

Ya looks great ,but cutting through the middle like that better have his head up . Or else

Ya looks great ,but cutting through the middle like that better have his head up . Or else
- oldduffman

Ya, he should probably just put his head down and go wide /s

Ya, he should probably just put his head down and go wide /s
- Fat_Tony_Amonte

Oh I think the kid will be alright ,lots great info on the video thanks for sharing. I was hoping for Nazar my Nephew was saying Kemell ,what's he know he is a leaf fan.

Who will KD target on July 13?

Colin White?
Curtis Lazar?
Victor Rask?
- DarthKane

Colin White has a chip on his shoulder now.

If I had a magic lamp one of my wishes would be go to back and repost all the props on Dach as a draft pick we had on here ...

All these kids "look good" until <[insert the NHL difference comment]

If ifs and buts and candy and nuts.......

Happy Sunday in July folks

Toews to Minnesota?

Two reasons, ice time and opportunity to show they still have game. With good teams under 30 guys like Hudon, Fasching, Dauphin, Athanasuio, Jaskin would see maybe 12:00 on good squads but might see 15:00 and even PP 2 and or PK minutes with the Hawks. .... Have a good yr they may earn a decent contract with term.

Older guys like Beagle or Eakins may have few options and have to sign with a bad club. In both examples guys having good yrs can be moved at the TDL....... Hell if Mrzak gets back to form he may bring a decent return at the TDL.
- Mr Ricochet

Hey Rico. I was just making the point that the Hawks would struggle to draw FAs this year regardless of who was on the team. The argument was made “what FA would want to sign with the Hawks outside of scrubs?”. I just aid it wouldn’t matter.

Some great analysis on Nazar, here. Lot's to love here. He just looks so savvy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc3ndzrqNFA
- Fat_Tony_Amonte

Those highlights and analysis make him look awesome... other commentaries on this board also seem to point to a great pick... but what seems odd is why virtually all the draft prediction sites had him going later than when we got him. Not sure what everyone else was seeing that pushed him into the 2nd half of the 1st round.

I guess the same thing could be said about our 1st pick, many sites not listing him anywhere close to where we picked him. Even our great site author didn't have him mentioned in players to keep an eye on for the 1st round.

Here's hoping the Hawks actually had some insights that perhaps many others missed and we do have 2-3 gems for the future.


As for Dach, sad to see things didn't work out, he had such an incredible start. I'm wondering if even folks remember the Edmonton playoff series, where he was the 2nd best player (beside C.McDavid) on the ice. He brought hope for our near term future as an up-and-coming center. I believe that hand injury really set him back mentally and emotionally, even after finally physically healing from it. I just don't think he could have regressed that far from that great start. Playing in a new city could bring some career sobriety and energy to start over, my guess is it's more likely Montreal will end up getting yet another trade fleece with the hawks, as has been the 7 year trend now with them.

I took a look at last season's roster and goals scored. The Hawks scored 219 goals, the lowest team were the Coyotes at 207. The Hawks traded or aren't bringing back 119 of those goals by my count on their stats page (based on players showing on the roster, and not traded). The remaining goals of players likely to be still on the team next year is 94.

I went back and looked at previous seasons to see who was the lowest scoring team in a full 82 game season.

The Avalanche had 166 in 2016-2017.
The Sabres had 161 in 2014-2015 and 157 in 2013-2014.

I think the Hawks will be close to those numbers or worse for next season. If they trade Kane or Toews sooner than later, then they could challenge for one of the lowest GPG average in the last 20 some years. This team is going to be epically bad next year. Let's pray we get Bedard.

Hey Rico. I was just making the point that the Hawks would struggle to draw FAs this year regardless of who was on the team. The argument was made “what FA would want to sign with the Hawks outside of scrubs?”. I just aid it wouldn’t matter.
- Chunk

1) They probably will go with lower end free agents. $25000 to $50000 extra is significant to them. So if the Hawks slightly overpay on a short term contract they might overlook playing on a bad team.
2) They could be moved to a cup contender at the TDL.
3) They may get more ice time and recognition on a bad team.
4) Chicago is still a pretty great city, especially in the areas these guys would live or spend the majority of their time.
5) If Kane, Toews, and T. Johnson are not moved this summer they could have pretty decent linemates.

Philly looking to move konecney jvr provorov could this a possible trade option. Obviously not all three but take one and get assets back. Plus I sure Philly isn't the only team looking to move out assets. Thoughts?

Toews to Minnesota?
- Assman22

Is it a rumor or your opinion?

Many of the posters who would celebrate a Seth Jones trade would be among the 1st here posting about how they ruined Prospects A & B by throwing them in the deep end of the pool before they were ready.
- mohel

Exactly and same with posters bashing the hell out of draft picks based on attributes?

And where is 20 million combined for debrincat and dach coming from? Dach isn’t worth 3 million.

Can’t wait to watch this place burn further once they trade kane and/or toews and possibly Jones.

Toews to Minnesota?
- Assman22

Billy Guerin and the Wild will begin to take a $12.5 million hit in dead cap space because of the Parise and Suter buyouts. Over $14 million the 2 years after that.

Even at 50% retained I think Toews to Minnesota is a long shot.

Philly looking to move konecney jvr provorov could this a possible trade option. Obviously not all three but take one and get assets back. Plus I sure Philly isn't the only team looking to move out assets. Thoughts?
- Scott1977

I would like Konecny from that list

I would like Konecny from that list
- ikeane

He is only 25 to plays the game the hawks want to play going forward. So maybe him and frost for a 5th in 2024

If I had a magic lamp one of my wishes would be go to back and repost all the props on Dach as a draft pick we had on here ...

All these kids "look good" until <
- Brownie's_Purse[insert the NHL difference comment]

If ifs and buts and candy and nuts.......

Happy Sunday in July folks

I’m guilty as charged on that account - Dach was who I wanted them to pick at #3. However, the Hawks didn’t do him any favors with how they brought him up AND he had a pretty bad wrist injury so I think it’s hard to say it was a bad pick. The folks in Montreal seem to think he has value - so there’s that.

I also thought Mark McNeil was a good pick… so I’ve come to just not get too excited about any draft pick.

Okay that fills one slot on a Cup winning roster. 22 more to go if you don't count Kane and Toews. LOL.
- boilermaker100

Depends on if she meant Kruger 1 or (post-broken wrist) Kruger 2

So, without Strome, Kubalik, and looking likely Kane, where are we going to find enough forwards to ice a team in both CHI and Rockford? Will we be able to attract enough free agents / PTO candidates to fill the open slots without risking repeating the pattern of not letting the kids develop properly, both skill and confidence?

Colin White has a chip on his shoulder now.
- wiz1901

The Hawks need a centre or two, so he tracks.

Or, if the Flames are willing to throw in a sweetener (ie Stromgren) the Hawks can take on Monaghan’s contract.

Yes, they sold Dach at his lowest value since he was drafted but the return was not low at all. Dach for Nazar and a pick was pretty good return and may end up a great trade..... Of course Dach may develop into a 2C and Nazar a bottom 6 guy but I'm ok with that swing because of Nazar's ceiling and his speed/skill style of play.
- Mr Ricochet

I know you follow that stuff a lot closer than I do (kind of a low bar :lol, but everything I've read and seen on the kid (Nazar) says his ceiling was worth potentially more than a #13 pick.

While I was hopeful for Dach, I thought KD did well to get a top 15 pick for him. A do-over of sorts if you will.

We'll see. Just part of the reason why we watch.

Those highlights and analysis make him look awesome... other commentaries on this board also seem to point to a great pick... but what seems odd is why virtually all the draft prediction sites had him going later than when we got him. Not sure what everyone else was seeing that pushed him into the 2nd half of the 1st round.

I guess the same thing could be said about our 1st pick, many sites not listing him anywhere close to where we picked him. Even our great site author didn't have him mentioned in players to keep an eye on for the 1st round.

Here's hoping the Hawks actually had some insights that perhaps many others missed and we do have 2-3 gems for the future.


As for Dach, sad to see things didn't work out, he had such an incredible start. I'm wondering if even folks remember the Edmonton playoff series, where he was the 2nd best player (beside C.McDavid) on the ice. He brought hope for our near term future as an up-and-coming center. I believe that hand injury really set him back mentally and emotionally, even after finally physically healing from it. I just don't think he could have regressed that far from that great start. Playing in a new city could bring some career sobriety and energy to start over, my guess is it's more likely Montreal will end up getting yet another trade fleece with the hawks, as has been the 7 year trend now with them.
- DontKnowNutin

Guess we all have preferences/favorites but my final go to is Bob McKenzie's list. He uses 10 scouts to rank the players and takes the average and that's his list. In theory that weeds out bias and or misses that one person/scout/ex GM may have when they rank. Plus you get the expertise of 10 people as opposed to just one. https://www.tsn.ca/2022-n...gs-bob-mckenzie-1.1818580

That list has Korchinski 11, Nazar 15 and Rinzel 31. Not far off from where they went but yes, higher than their ranking on this list and most on most lists.

As I was watching the draft and MTL's rookie GM Hughes wheel and deal I thought wow, cuz they looked like solid moves especially from a rookie. These things with little time to think thru are complicated although a lot of scenarios are gamed out way before the draft.

Then I realized ex GM Gorton is part of this group as the team prez, a guy with plenty of experience with drafts as a GM and a good one at that. He must have had a big hand in navigating the draft and those trades.

KD didn't have that luxury as a 33 yr old rookie GM. Sure he had McGiever but McG never was the final decision maker in any aspect of an NHL organIzation let alone a draft.

I think KD, and maybe his group, had tunnel vision. They wanted player x even if it was a few picks too early according to the hockey world. That's fine IMO but you don't achieve value that way. Imagine if KD could have gained an asset in even 1 of the 3 1st rd picks, even better 2 of them, or the rest of the draft when they took kids higher than the hockey world had them ranked by trading back?

It's great if your board is different than others but it gains you nothing if you can't leverage that and that's where the KD group missed the boat. Their board was different, they got their guys but didn't benefit any extra assets from it.

Gotta be a damn tough thing to know a draft, feel it as it unfolds, what the teams behind you covet and move down for extras and still get your guy. That knowledge must come from experience and is part science and part art something the Hawk draft room had very little if anything of.

And I guess I understand, like moving up for Allen last yr, but with the dearth of talent in the pipeline and NHL roster 15 of KD's next 20 moves (trades/FA signings/drafts/absorption of bad contracts) have to get value out of them. Don't have to be homeruns but at least singles and doubles to jumpstart the rebuild. Similar to the trade the Jackets made with Stan for Jones if even on a much smaller scale like the trade for Hagel.

I know you follow that stuff a lot closer than I do (kind of a low bar :lol, but everything I've read and seen on the kid (Nazar) says his ceiling was worth potentially more than a #13 pick.

While I was hopeful for Dach, I thought KD did well to get a top 15 pick for him. A do-over of sorts if you will.

We'll see. Just part of the reason why we watch.
- HawkintheD

(frank)ing pollyanna.....