Found these on another site.

https://www.bleachernatio...lect-in-the-second-round/

https://www.bleachernatio...nd-of-the-2022-nhl-draft/
- boilermaker100

Not a lot of consensus on where these players should have been drafted.

I sure hope KD realizes he's green enough not to lean on experts who analyze 16-17-18 yr olds and pay their mortgage doing so. So so so much more to scouting and evaluating than watching a kid and saying wow, he's good.

Handicapping what a young player will be at 25 is not easy. Doesn't matter what a player is at 18 it matters what he'll be at 25. A guy like KD at this stage of his own "development" can't know that.
- Mr Ricochet

Looks like he's going with a ton of potential in the 1st round and then drafting guys that don't need to be motivated playing without the puck, speed, hands, tenacious players. Not a bad route to go.

Keith retired. A big cap penalty coming the hawks way??

Keith announces retirement per Seravalli.
- boilermaker100

That would help keep the Hawks above the salary floor should they "trade everybody."

CapFriendly with the recapture penalty breakdown:

https://twitter.com/CapFr...tatus/1545450118903652355

I see a lot of picks that are supposedly possible in later rounds. How much does it matter in an allegedly shallow draft class? Just looking at some of the mocks, there seems to be a lot of players going either way too soon or much later than expected. In a shallower draft class, shouldn't we expect more variance?
- 333inthe3rd

Is it truly shallow or maybe just not enough info?

There were a lot of players that missed an entire season (and development time) or more due to Covid lockdowns.

It's possible he disagreed and wanted a different player. It's also possible he thought K. Dach was a good idea at the time.

I doubt we'll ever know who or how the final decision was made to draft Dach over others.

It also may have been a case of Dach being one of the few remaining assets on the Hawks that could garner high value, additional picks.

You gotta admit it is kinda fun watching the fair-weather fans who bought #12 and #77 sweaters get all flustered.
- Rota's Rooter

Watching this regime trade a 24 yr old two time 40 goal scorer with the pipeline having legit D prospects for Kochinski I feel safe saying if they were running that draft they take Byram.

They're showing they love speed/skill and with Savoie on the board they take Kochinski I feel confident they take Byram over Dach.

Found these on another site.

https://www.bleachernatio...lect-in-the-second-round/

https://www.bleachernatio...nd-of-the-2022-nhl-draft/
- boilermaker100

https://thehockeywriters....s-2022-nhl-draft-profile/

Interesting this review is a bit different

Keith retired. A big cap penalty coming the hawks way??
- TurdFergeson

Nothing that Rocky Wirtz can't afford.

Nothing that Rocky Wirtz can't afford.
- Rota's Rooter

The Hawks don’t pay anything. They just have the cap hit.

I sure hope KD realizes he's green enough not to lean on experts who analyze 16-17-18 yr olds and pay their mortgage doing so. So so so much more to scouting and evaluating than watching a kid and saying wow, he's good.

Handicapping what a young player will be at 25 is not easy. Doesn't matter what a player is at 18 it matters what he'll be at 25. A guy like KD at this stage of his own "development" can't know that.
- Mr Ricochet

Totally agree on leaning on others. I just don't think he is green. The analytics guy they hired is green; KD should have a good idea of what the GM job is all about.

Is it truly shallow or maybe just not enough info?

There were a lot of players that missed an entire season (and development time) or more due to Covid lockdowns.
- Rota's Rooter

I really hope KD and company were the smartest group in there.

Now we have a bunch of picks for next year, and still some assets to trade.

I'm included in those disappointed by the return that we got for the Cat. But, clearly Davidson had shopped him around to several teams and this was the best return he could get for him. Maybe other team aren't valuing him as high, because so much of his production has been with Kane. Don't Panarin me.

I also think our expectations might be warped by the great return we got for Hagel and the massive overpayment Stan made for Seth Jones.

With that being said, I am not willing to write off Davidson and I like the direction of the team. Unlike under Stan at least we have a direction. Plus the Mrazek trade was savvy.

Now lets get Bedard in 2023
- Hawkeynation

Very good post especially the bolded. Been a long time that the franchise has refused to take its medicine. They started that yesterday under KD.

Keith retired. A big cap penalty coming the hawks way??
- TurdFergeson

Yes, about $5.5 million this year and $2 million next year.

I really hope KD and company were the smartest group in there.

Now we have a bunch of picks for next year, and still some assets to trade.
- BetweenTheDots

I guess we'll see. If KD can land a couple of 2023 1st rounders for Kane, Toews, Jones, or Murphy, we might have to consider it. Next year's draft is a top priority IMO.

I'm waiting to read when all is said and done was how much KD leaned on his scouts for this draft/trades. Being as green as he is that seems obvious but still curious to read how much of a consensus all the moves/draft picks there was.

Cuz the dude came out swinging with the orginIzational plan. Nothing done 1/2 way. The franchise is all in on the rebuild, how much a consensus was there?

Could not watch a Lincoln Stars game and not notice 20 yr old Aiden Thompson. Kid is not only skilled he shows a lot of IQ, compete, consistency and when the game gets important the kid steps up. ..... Like the player a lot.

The way they are drafting I doubt they'll take a kid I love, Zam Plante. Average skater, smallish, great motor, plus skill, no player with a higher IQ.
- Mr Ricochet

Would be more impressive if he wasn’t 20 already.

1 shot bourbon followed by a beer. Is how he rolled.
- BGKarras

You forgot , “1 scotch”,

Totally agree on leaning on others. I just don't think he is green. The analytics guy they hired is green; KD should have a good idea of what the GM job is all about.
- mohel

Mac Iver is not green.

Dach had been nothing short of a disappointment. Great trade imo.
- Assman22

0 minor league experience, broken wrist, shortened COVID season, began his career at 18, what did you expect?

Let us imagine one more scenario dancing around in Davidson's mind: how do I best insure I can draft Bedard.

Use Kane to maneuver for the top pick. At the trade deadline. A third team could enter the frey as an intermediary; what would they want to play this role.

The way I see as the best way to be in position to draft Bedard, is our winning the '23 draft lottery. If possible another team with a bad record, could trade for Kane then.. Kane immediately dealt to some other team where he would have indicated is acceptable.

Generational players don't come around often
- jhawk59

Dinky with 2 seasons of control, Kane with one, plus big $'s. Judging from yesterday Kane won't bring close to a top pick back.

You forgot , “1 scotch”,
- ksilvy58

Lol... That too

Nice way to start your tenure as a GM.
Setting the franchise back even more by managing to _uck up a sure thing like trading an elite player like Dcat and not even getting 2 first founds or a top prospect!
Davidson you are one dumd mother _ucker and deserve all the storm you get for this debacle. What a joke.
Where do we find these idiots?
I thought my Raiders were the dumbest team ever but my Blackhawks are making a run for it.
Good job Wirtz and Co. ...must be so proud to be the laughing stock of the league not to mention alienating fans on a daily basis.....then again you probably don't care which is a huge part of the problem.
Whats next? Kane for a 2nd rounder?
So discouraged. Ugh.

There may be more of a market for Kane (if he so chooses) among the cap strapped teams than we think. If he/the team waits until closer to the end of December, there are always injuries that can LTIR a big ticket guy and open a slot for a rental where the Hawks eat salary.

Same with Toews. For the playoffs - can win faceoffs, good on the PK, intangibles. Check, check, check...assuming he is healthy.

0 minor league experience, broken wrist, shortened COVID season, began his career at 18, what did you expect?
- rpeters01

Was different player after the broken wrist.

Was the injury lingering, or was it all in his head. If it was in his head, not good.

We'll see how it turns out.

While most of the prognosticators hated the return for Cat, they were astonished that they were able to get a top 15 pick, let alone first pick of the 3rd round on top of the top 15.

I'm looking forward to Toews and Kane not waiving their NMC. Play out their contract then sign wherever they want next year 👍👍

KD can throw that in his 5 year plan

Theo, I want go back to something about the big high school kid, Sam Rinzel.

There is something you said that I kinda wanna refute.

This kid gets tremendous torque when he shoots.

He will start shooting more the more comfortable he is with the speed and flow of things all over the sheet.

Seider-esque in many ways and the upside is truly there, but he really plays slow in his head right now...takes far to much time offensively and it ends up in turnovers. As I said in that prospects game he was unable to handle the speed the other kids were playing at.
He can and has played there left side and does so as well as his regular right side.Besides the obvious need for catch tor speed time, he does show significant offensive prowess. Attacking hemoves the puck into the slot and eats up the available space to get deeper, higher-danger shots.
He is an above average shooter and as he adds muscle will improve.
The thing is, how many prospective NHL players do you remember who had great guns, but didn't make it because they couldn't get the entire package together.
I hope he succeeds.

Ok I have to go...whenever a trade goes through I have to add it and then franking system doesn't show success for maybe 5 minutes so I end up checking, the rechecking.

I will try and come back at different times....bye , all.
- wiz1901

Wanna make a couple points about Rinzel. First is remember when you watch him with Waterloo the home games are on an Olympic sheet. This yr IMO that will benefit him and his skating and with more time and space.

Was tipped off about Rinzel coming to WTL after his HS season was done by a guy who watches 13-14-15 yr olds and all their tournaments. So I watched quite a few Loo games.

Like so many HS kids from MN they dream of playing for the HS championship in front of 18,000 people and the backing of the whole damn hometown. So like so many he stays home in his draft yr instead of playing USHL or MJ and it stunts his growth.

You're original take on him was correct. He showed good balance but not directional mobility at the UHL level. Then you went on to say his decision making was slow in the USHL 20 game stint which is also correct. This is true almost always of a HS kid, even elite ones, coming to the U from HS. It's the speed they have to acclimate to. ...

On that note I thought about Scott Morrow, another skilled big Dman who played HS his draft yr and came to USHL Fargo for 4 games then played in the playoffs. Fargo made the Finals and lost to the powerhouse Steel. Was there live, puck dumped from the attack blueline, Morrow turns, looks over his shoulder for options, 10 more feet gets to the puck at the endwall, retrieves, turns, sidesteps 2 NHL draft picks, head up, outlets the thing and they're out.

Just the one sequence showed the speed and skill of a USHL cup winner with EIGHT NHL draft picks on the roster did not phase Morrow who had just 4 USHL games!!!! ..... Also tells me the difference in this draft compared to last yrs, and probably next yrs, that Morrow goes early rd 2 and Rinzel goes late rd 1.......... Talked to my bud on the phone Wednesday who watches 14 yr olds about which kids are gonna go in the draft. Rinzel came up, asked him Morfrow or Rinzel, who do you take. Didn't finish my sentence and he says Morrow, I agreed.

I will say as that 20 game stint when on you could see improvement in acclimating to the speed.. Rinzel got more comfortable and as his processing speed improved (acclimating to the speed) so did his skating and decision making even showing better directional mobility.

I'd also point out when Rinzel got to Loo they were a borderline playoff team fighting for the last playoff spot. So he was thrown into a tense environment. Loo did end up making the playoffs, upset Aiden Thompson's Lincoln Stars and took eventual champs Sioux City to 3 games of the best of 3.

I want to compare Rinzel to maybe a Parayako but it's too early for me to say that. Big guy, plus skater, some offensive upside.