DeAngelo can at least do one thing well. Murphy can't do anything
- GPHawksfan

What are you talking about? He loses his helmet during play better than anyone I've ever seen.

Beginning to believe after all the years of Bowman failures in drafting defenseman he started listening to KD. Vlasic, Allen, Crevier, Del Mastro....

Yikes, Wiz had him at #83

Would have liked Del Bel Belluz there. Don't know enough about Ludwinski

Danny Zhilkin may still be available for the Hawks!

My question is what is Rinzel's ceiling? Is it higher than what the consensus #25 pick is?. Looks like KD is making some big swings. Going for guys with higher ceilings, than the safe, I know he will be in the NHL, at least as a third liner.

Plus the expert on ESPN had our #13 pick as #7, so there is that.

Looks like KD is a riverboat gambler, quite the opposite of the Accountant.
- LAHawk

I noticed last draft we took Taige Harding..How does his skill, his learning the basics playing defense...
........compare to Rinzel. Both are gifted and need to advance through several stages..Perhaps Rinzel is more so projected as.a home run, but with Harding should we instead.chosen.someone else/not Ridel?

I don't know anything about these guys being drafted by the Hawks and admit, before yesterday, never heard of any of them besides Nazar. With that being said I wonder if Greenberg has had time to develop some analytics tools and if the Hawks are using that to select their picks.

What are you talking about? He loses his helmet during play better than anyone I've ever seen.
- Chunk

Bahahahaha.... I was thinking that exact thing. Murphy is a dolt

What are you talking about? He loses his helmet during play better than anyone I've ever seen.
- Chunk

You got me there.

He is 6'4 already and can skate.

Ranked #32 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM
Ranked #62 by FCHOCKEY
Ranked #31 by TSN/BOB McKENZIE
Ranked #28 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY
Ranked #37 by TSN/CRAIG BUTTON
Ranked #19 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (NA Skaters)
Ranked #53 by RECRUIT SCOUTING
Ranked #37 by DOBBERPROSPECTS
Ranked #58 by DRAFT PROSPECTS HOCKEY
Ranked #43 by SMAHT SCOUTING
Ranked #54 by THE PUCK AUTHORITY

He was a reach, but to say he would of been there at #60 is a reach also
- LAHawk

That’s an average ranking of #41. I hope it works out, but on the surface, it sure seems like poor asset management.

I think they hoped for Owen Beck


Paul Ludwinski 5 10 172
Smart Skilled Speed but cannot score. He sort of a Nick Bonino type, in that he is always involved because he is such a strong forechecker but lacks a scores touch so far. Smart playmaking centre who reads the and gets in the right places Maintains puck control as her is hard on his stick. Has that extra gear to get separation. Defensively closes the space between the pucker with his strong fluid stride and acceleration. Displays soft hands for receiving and dishing pucks at top speeds.

(I had his at #83)

My question is what is Rinzel's ceiling? Is it higher than what the consensus #25 pick is?. Looks like KD is making some big swings. Going for guys with higher ceilings, than the safe, I know he will be in the NHL, at least as a third liner.

Plus the expert on ESPN had our #13 pick as #7, so there is that.

Looks like KD is a riverboat gambler, quite the opposite of the Accountant.
- LAHawk

I noticed last draft we took Taige Harding..How does his skill, his learning the basics playing defense...
........compare to Rinzel. Both are gifted and need to advance through several stages..Perhaps Rinzel is more so projected as.a home run, but with Harding should we instead.chosen.someone else/not Ridel?

Paul Ludwinski 5 10 172
Smart Skilled Speed but cannot score. He sort of a Nick Bonino type, in that he is always involved because he is such a strong forechecker but lacks a scores touch so far. Smart playmaking centre who reads the and gets in the right places Maintains puck control as her is hard on his stick. Has that extra gear to get separation. Defensively closes the space between the pucker with his strong fluid stride and acceleration. Displays soft hands for receiving and dishing pucks at top speeds.
- wiz1901

I'm seeing a pattern going on all of these picks. Nice to see they are sticking to plan.

Well, the Hawks have set their direction and we will see if the moves were the right ones about 5 years from now. No real point trying to compare to Bowman or anyone else until we actually see what they can accomplish.

A lot of the success will depend on development, coaching, and sheer luck, not just with who they draft now, but with the top 5ish overall picks the Hawks are likely get as they obviously tank hard now for the next 3+ seasons.

If we get lucky with the draft picks next year and the following couple drafts and land some gems, this can all pay off. They've set the direction into the long road of suck, now the question will be if they turn it around in 5, 10 or 15 seasons. Some franchises have been floundering in this dept for a real long time.
- breadbag

The Hawks don't need luck, the league is fixing it so they get Bedard next year.

I'm seeing a pattern going on all of these picks. Nice to see they are sticking to plan.
- Chunk

The pattern is reaching for guys they could get later in the draft.

The Greene pick could be a really good one. Not sure where Wiz had him pegged.

I noticed last draft we took Taige Harding..How does his skill, his learning the basics playing defense...
........compare to Rinzel. Both are gifted and need to advance through several stages..Perhaps Rinzel is more so projected as.a home run, but with Harding should we instead.chosen.someone else/not Ridel?
- jhawk59

So you pick someone you have lower on your board because you might have the player in the system? I don't think that is sound strategy.

Look at Boston, the year they had 13,14 &15 picks. They thought they were set at center with Bergeron and Kreji, so they picked other positions, and passed on Barzal who went #16 to the Islanders. The only one of the 3 that have made it for the Bruins is deBrusk.

I think they hoped for Owen Beck


Paul Ludwinski 5 10 172
Smart Skilled Speed but cannot score. He sort of a Nick Bonino type, in that he is always involved because he is such a strong forechecker but lacks a scores touch so far. Smart playmaking centre who reads the and gets in the right places Maintains puck control as her is hard on his stick. Has that extra gear to get separation. Defensively closes the space between the pucker with his strong fluid stride and acceleration. Displays soft hands for receiving and dishing pucks at top speeds.

(I had his at #83)
- wiz1901

You had hawks getting MN 2nd rounder, what happened, was that 2nd rounder actually next year?

Everyone is looking at the Rangers. They traded away all their leadership and legacy to clean the slate and restart. Less than 5 years, they are one of the best teams in hockey.

The legacy players, especially when there has been success, for better or worse, carry a shadow that limits change and growth.

This is truly a fresh start.

Maybe Kane goes... it would not surprise me.

Toews goes nowhere, unless you eat salary. Might be a great trade deadline guy if he stays healthy and shows he has something in the tank for a playoff run.
- TrueGrit

Yeah it can take 5 years. Took 6 years with Tampa Bay with a little tease in there.

But NYR already had Krieder and Zib. Fox really completed things there along with some solid trades and FA signings. Their window is a little smaller compared to some of the other teams with the number of core players at or over 30.

They also were fairly ruthless moving assets. And exceptional goaltending masks a lot of their problems.

The lightning when they had the opportunity drafted Stamkos and Hedman when they bottomed out. And found some gems in the later rounds. They were also fairly ruthless moving out pieces that didn't fit.

If the Hawks get top 3 picks in 2023 and 2024 and don't miss then yeah maybe they're in the mix in 6 years. It still took them over 10 to win a Cup with that group.

If the stars do not align that perfectly then they are probably tracking more like the AVs where it took them 7 years to be in the mix and 11 to win a cup if you count the draft of Landeskog as year one. Or even the Flames where its taken them quite a bit of time as well to return to relevancy.

I think that a reasonable expectation is 7 or 8 years and if its 5 then woo hoo but that shouldn't be the bar.

The Hawks don't need luck, the league is fixing it so they get Bedard next year.
- GPHawksfan

They will take him 4th overall?

Yeah it can take 5 years. Took 5 years with Tampa Bay.

But NYR already had Krieder and Zib. Fox really completed things there along with some solid trades and FA signings.

They also were fairly ruthless moving assets. And exceptional goaltending masks a lot of their problems.

The lightning when they had the opportunity drafted Stamkos and Hedman when they bottomed out. And found some gems in the later rounds. They were also fairly ruthless moving out pieces that didn't fit.

If the Hawks get top 3 picks in 2023 and 2024 and don't miss then yeah maybe they're in the mix in 5 years. If the stars do not align that perfectly then they are probably tracking more like the AVs where it took them 7 years to be in the mix and 11 to win a cup if you count the draft of Landeskog as year one. Or even the Flames where its taken them quite a bit of time as well.
- fattybeef

Or Toronto who is over the half century mark in its rebuild.

The pattern is reaching for guys they could get later in the draft.
- Ogilthorpe2

If you knew as much as you think you do you'd have a job in the NHL. Just because you saw players names on a list doesn't mean poop.

The pattern is reaching for guys they could get later in the draft.
- Ogilthorpe2

According to who? They have their board, and are making picks based on what they find most important. What does it matter that others "rated" different players higher?

Not only is the NHL GM's risk adverse, so is this BOD. KD is taking the Theo Epstein approach, burn it down, take no prisoners and start at the foundation. Do you think if Stan was still GM he would of traded to get 3 first round picks? Nope, his rebuild would of been trading for Eric Cernak, and JC would still be coach as he preached "patience".

I agree, it appears ADB was an underpay, but haven't heard who had a better offer on the table. Looks like to KD, it was more important getting a high first round pick, then having ADB be wingman to Kane and whoever at center.

BTW, at #6, didn't everyone think Mo Seider was a reach?. If Korchinski turns out to be another Brian Campbell, that would be all right. My guess is he had some input in the pick.
- LAHawk

Said the same thing the other day. Didn't know a lot about Seider but listened to all all the pundits calling the pick a "reach". Looks pretty good now, so time as always...

Not that it may matter, but Greene is the first selection that went around where prognosticated.