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Debrincat instantly becomes one of the wise old men of the Ottawa Senators at age 24, the same age as Thomas Chabot. 2 years older than the captain Brady Tkachuk. He will play on a line with Ottawa's best player Tim Stutzle who just turned 20. Ottawa is still trying to add another veteran player Jakob Chychrun, also 24 years old.
Some people might not think so but Kyle Davidson was the absolute star of day 1 of the draft. - spatso
I think fans forget that with Eugene Melnyk gone now, it may not be business as usual in Ottawa and the internal budget may be a little more flexible. |
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I don't know if Kane decides to stay or go. If he waives it will be for a specific team or two. IMO the Rangers fit the bill - an eastern team, reunite with Panarin, and a good chance at getting another Cup. KD would want a fair price for Kane but there is no market since the NYR may be the only team bidding for his services. I would be happy with a Giroux like return, a 2023 1st (which would most likely be pick 25-32), another 2nd or 3rd rounder and a prospect. Probably have to get a 3rd team involved to eat some cap space.
As for other trades, if not today I think there will be some leading up to free agency next week. Teams will want to clear cap space which the Hawks have and teams that aren't successful with getting their UFA target, may circle back and inquire about Murphy or McCabe, a couple of the only remaining veterans with some trade value.
I also think clubs are reluctant to trade for Kubalik and Strome given their QO's and arb status, when they could be obtained more cheaply after they are not qualified. - boilermaker100
I thought Panarin wanted out of NY? |
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First off, am I devastated by the moves? Yes most certainly.
Second, do I feel they did well with the picks? Yes, to an extent.
Third, what will I do if Kane waives to come to the Rangers? Make sure I am at that game so he can hear me loud and clear.
What really annoys me is players in Toews and Kanes situations who will just say alright I want out now, especially after winning a ton of cups in a fairly quick span. Do I think that their history would be tarnished should they leave? I don't, but at the same time you gotta see what else KD does. The Hawks a lot of cap to work with and a lot of expiring contracts. Could be interesting to see what else unfolds |
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I think fans forget that with Eugene Melnyk gone now, it may not be business as usual in Ottawa and the internal budget may be a little more flexible. - Rota's Rooter
I knew they would never trade Sanderson. They did one better they only traded 1 first round pick and zero quality prospects. |
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Not only is the NHL GM's risk adverse, so is this BOD. KD is taking the Theo Epstein approach, burn it down, take no prisoners and start at the foundation. Do you think if Stan was still GM he would of traded to get 3 first round picks? Nope, his rebuild would of been trading for Eric Cernak, and JC would still be coach as he preached "patience".
I agree, it appears ADB was an underpay, but haven't heard who had a better offer on the table. Looks like to KD, it was more important getting a high first round pick, then having ADB be wingman to Kane and whoever at center.
BTW, at #6, didn't everyone think Mo Seider was a reach?. If Korchinski turns out to be another Brian Campbell, that would be all right. My guess is he had some input in the pick. |
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I thought Panarin wanted out of NY? - Ogilthorpe2
No, the GM Drury did not like his non compete in the playoffs.
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Could Ottawa possibly move ADB at the next TDL for more than the Hawks received last night?
Also that Dach trade really bothers. The kid they drafed with his pick better turn out because this could look really bad on KD's resume in a few years. - 67hawks
Maybe? But I don't think that is the intention. I think the Sens are looking to take steps forward and el Gato helps them do that.
And its more then just adding 30 goals. There's a legitimate threat so it either makes space for the other TheChuck if they're on the same line or if he's on a different one it creates some match up problems.
He completes their top 6 or at least solidifies things there. They may want to add on the blue line as well but its a step forward, how much of a step is i guess why you play em.
RE Dach: He hasn't shown well anyway aside from the bubble straight away. He can skate 18 mins but didn't really produce and looked kinda lost. You could blame some of that on how he was handled but not coming back significantly stronger - especially in his lower body - after the wrist injury is not a good thing. By the end of this year it should be fairly clear what type of player he is. Maybe he's producing and not getting knocked on his ass. |
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Not only is the NHL GM's risk adverse, so is this BOD. KD is taking the Theo Epstein approach, burn it down, take no prisoners and start at the foundation. Do you think if Stan was still GM he would of traded to get 3 first round picks? Nope, his rebuild would of been trading for Eric Cernak, and JC would still be coach as he preached "patience".
I agree, it appears ADB was an underpay, but haven't heard who had a better offer on the table. Looks like to KD, it was more important getting a high first round pick, then having ADB be wingman to Kane and whoever at center.
BTW, at #6, didn't everyone think Mo Seider was a reach?. If Korchinski turns out to be another Brian Campbell, that would be all right. My guess is he had some input in the pick. - LAHawk
I agree. Some were questioning at the time if maybe Stevie Y had lost his touch. He ends up with a kid who could conceivably be Nick Lidstrom 2.0.
Let's hope KD and the Hawks will be as fortunate. |
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Considering how quickly he gave up on Dach, i hope he has more patience with the kids he at least drafts. - BetweenTheDots
Stan drafted Dach; KD drafted last night's kids. Big difference. Anybody in the system before KD arrived may go. |
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Considering how quickly he gave up on Dach, i hope he has more patience with the kids he at least drafts. - BetweenTheDots
As I've stated here numerous times. Top end talent shows it straight away - even though they don't execute all the time - the way they move and are close to making the right play is pretty evident.
Dach has notoriously been a step slow and way too light in his ass.
Its as much as selling high on a player that isn't having success as it is completely moving away from anything associated with Bowman. |
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Stan drafted Dach; KD drafted last night's kids. Big difference. Anybody in the system before KD arrived may go. - mohel
KD was the assistant GM. Did he not have any say? Was he not being heard? |
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No, the GM Drury did not like his non compete in the playoffs. - LAHawk
Yeah, and supposedly Panarin didn’t like having his effort level questioned. |
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KD was the assistant GM. Did he not have any say? Was he not being heard? - Ogilthorpe2
Two thoughts;
It would be awfully convenient if all the underperforming picks were Stan's in a silo. Don't buy it.
Second, it's not just about the player picked, it's how they develop them (or not). The organization mismanaged several, including Dach IMO, and that will be as much of a factor going forward as the player selected.
The handling of Joker, Boqvist and Dach in particular was brutal. |
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Let us imagine one more scenario dancing around in Davidson's mind: how do I best insure I can draft Bedard.
Use Kane to maneuver for the top pick. At the trade deadline. A third team could enter the frey as an intermediary; what would they want to play this role.
The way I see as the best way to be in position to draft Bedard, is our winning the '23 draft lottery. If possible another team with a bad record, could trade for Kane then.. Kane immediately dealt to some other team where he would have indicated is acceptable.
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KD was the assistant GM. Did he not have any say? Was he not being heard? - Ogilthorpe2
It's possible he disagreed and wanted a different player. It's also possible he thought K. Dach was a good idea at the time.
I doubt we'll ever know who or how the final decision was made to draft Dach over others.
It also may have been a case of Dach being one of the few remaining assets on the Hawks that could garner high value, additional picks.
You gotta admit it is kinda fun watching the fair-weather fans who bought #12 and #77 sweaters get all flustered. |
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Considering how quickly he gave up on Dach, i hope he has more patience with the kids he at least drafts. - BetweenTheDots
3 full seasons playing mostly top 6 w/ the likes of Toews, Kane, and Cat and never showed to be anything more than soft out of control pass first winger pretending to be a center.
At the end of the day, he doesn’t fit the profile of what KD wants the team to become. His brother however checks the boxes so hang onto your Dach jerseys just in case! |
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If Luneau is gone prior to 39, trade back in the 2nd and still end up w/ Beck & Seminoff plus another pick. Eat a bad contract to add additional capital a la the Mrazek trade. Keep the pedal to the metal at this point. - Assman22
No disrespect to Tristan Luneau, but a 3rd defenseman?
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KD was the assistant GM. Did he not have any say? Was he not being heard? - Ogilthorpe2
It sounds like there were some people in the org that were pushed out.
Listening to Clarke lighting up Hextall after the fact for going rogue and picking Nolan Patrick and making other decisions on his own or against the advice of scouts could have been a similar situation in Chicago where it was a few people who thought a lot of themselves and they stopped listening to the guys in the field.
Not dissimilar to when a tech sales person starts ignoring engineers. |
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KD was the assistant GM. Did he not have any say? Was he not being heard? - Ogilthorpe2
Rumor is that neither he nor Norm McIver were being heard.
I think the drafting of Korchinski (played in Seattle where McIver was all last year) and the trading of Dach (my summation is that McIver wanted Byrum and lost the argument to Stan and Mark Kelly) points to the two of them doing it their way.
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Ogilthorpe2
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3 full seasons playing mostly top 6 w/ the likes of Toews, Kane, and Cat and never showed to be anything more than soft out of control pass first winger pretending to be a center.
At the end of the day, he doesn’t fit the profile of what KD wants the team to become. His brother however checks the boxes so hang onto your Dach jerseys just in case! - Assman22
He didn’t have 3 full seasons. In terms of games played he’s at about 1.5 seasons. |
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Dach had been nothing short of a disappointment. Great trade imo. - Assman22
I truly think he wanted out.
and I look at his choice by way of a lottery win, was a gift, so they took a swing at a big guy who was really excellent already defensively, and the hope was the face-offs and shooting hands would come along.
It was clear frustration set in.
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Wings trade a 3rd round pick to Blues for rights to goalie Ville Husso. |
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mike7076
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I said yesterday that I’ll have the entire 320 section to myself for $15 next year.
I’d like to revise:
I’ll have the entire 319 / 320 / 321 sections to myself for the next few years.
Ala circa 2008.
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He didn’t have 3 full seasons. In terms of games played he’s at about 1.5 seasons. - Ogilthorpe2
A whopping 150 games played, but that's all right when he's playing really well, the same crowd will say oh the Blackhawks didn't know how develop him and so on. When the actual development is playing in NHL games. |
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Good morning, what did I miss? |
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