At some point I imagine that as a GM you have to discuss the plan of a tear down/rebuild with ownership and one of the outcomes is that the plan doesn’t also include keeping high-priced players that don’t coincide with the timeline of the expectation of being competitive again.

So, from that optic - deciding you’re not going to resign DCat to high $ and term DOES impact when you move him. And, as per my posts above - the longer you wait - the more the market narrows on you.
- Chief4Feathers

Absolutely correct.

At some point I imagine that as a GM you have to discuss the plan of a tear down/rebuild with ownership and one of the outcomes is that the plan doesn’t also include keeping high-priced players that don’t coincide with the timeline of the expectation of being competitive again.

So, from that optic - deciding you’re not going to resign DCat to high $ and term DOES impact when you move him. And, as per my posts above - the longer you wait - the more the market narrows on you.
- Chief4Feathers

Also no extension. Maybe he had told KD he didn't want to talk extension either, knowing Kane and Toews had one more year left. Even if he said he wanted to stay and see through a rebuild, he was probably looking for at least 8 years at a minimum $10 mil. that KD didn't want to do, and you have an untradeable asset. (How many $10m plus contracts have ever moved?)

Austin Matthews is a UFA in 3 years, if the Hawks have an expedited time line at that time, they will be one of the few teams to be able to afford him.

Absolutely correct.
- mohel

Bottom line our team has sucked ass for years and management have made a plethora of bad hockey decisions resulting in our current position so the pom pom waves can stop until I see a different pattern of good results from management decisions and transactions.

Analysis of the Hawks picks by the Hawks chief scout

https://www.nbcsports.com...ting-reports-and-analysis

Also no extension. Maybe he had told KD he didn't want to talk extension either, knowing Kane and Toews had one more year left. Even if he said he wanted to stay and see through a rebuild, he was probably looking for at least 8 years at a minimum $10 mil. that KD didn't want to do, and you have an untradeable asset. (How many $10m plus contracts have ever moved?)

Austin Matthews is a UFA in 3 years, if the Hawks have an expedited time line at that time, they will be one of the few teams to be able to afford him.
- LAHawk

If we have Bedard, it'll be a much easier sell lol.

@CRoumeliotis
Kirby Dach after trade to Montreal: "I think it'll be good for me to have a fresh start."

@BenPopeCST
Kirby Dach: "I'm just putting the past behind me. Injuries aside, I learned a lot in Chicago from the veterans there and the coaching staff."

wish the kid the best - hope he makes a go of it

Bottom line our team has sucked ass for years and management have made a plethora of bad hockey decisions resulting in our current position so the pom pom waves can stop until I see a different pattern of good results from management decisions and transactions.
- CanHawk

That's fine and understandable, but has little to do with the analysis of the trade of the Cat. It very well could be that they should have decided not to pull the trigger. But that's a separate question from whether they could have gotten more. Our BELIEF - mine included - was that Cat SHOULD have gotten a bigger return. But the market said otherwise.

@CRoumeliotis
Kirby Dach after trade to Montreal: "I think it'll be good for me to have a fresh start."

@BenPopeCST
Kirby Dach: "I'm just putting the past behind me. Injuries aside, I learned a lot in Chicago from the veterans there and the coaching staff."

wish the kid the best - hope he makes a go of it
- pdx2ord

I just hope that this trade does not but off Colton, and he can continue to grow as a player. I don't want to see him get all p!ssy and want to get out of the organization.

That's fine and understandable, but has little to do with the analysis of the trade of the Cat. It very well could be that they should have decided not to pull the trigger. But that's a separate question from whether they could have gotten more. Our BELIEF - mine included - was that Cat SHOULD have gotten a bigger return. But the market said otherwise.
- mohel

Someone can be selling a Pinto for a million dollars. Does that mean all Pinto's are worth 1 million dollars? Or even that car? The market will always tell the value of anything, players included.

I just hope that this trade does not but off Colton, and he can continue to grow as a player. I don't want to see him get all p!ssy and want to get out of the organization.
- powerenforcer

Based on the kind of players that KD has documented that he is looking for, I'm not sure Colton really fits into that mold either. There will likely be a pretty significant shake-out of some other prospects in the not too distant future.

Based on the kind of players that KD has documented that he is looking for, I'm not sure Colton really fits into that mold either. There will likely be a pretty significant shake-out of some other prospects in the not too distant future.
- jrsamu

Well, that might well come true. That crossed my mind, but as of now he is part of the rebuild, just as everyone is.

I just hope that this trade does not but off Colton, and he can continue to grow as a player. I don't want to see him get all p!ssy and want to get out of the organization.
- powerenforcer

It's like Hayes V2.

Mark Lazerus
@MarkLazerus
The Blackhawks' seventh-round pick, Riku Tohila, is a 6-foot-8 CENTER. Doneghey said he's well behind the curve, naive and from a small town, but that they thought he was worth a late pick because of his long-term potential.

"What can you tell us about your 7th round pick?"

Kid's a huge idiot.

"What can you tell us about your 7th round pick?"

Kid's a huge idiot.
- BINGO!

Round 7, pick No. 199: Riku Tohila, center

What you need to know: Tohila, 18, posted 15 points (seven goals, eight assists) in 41 games last season for the JYP Under-20 team in Finland. He is expected to play in Liiga at some point next season, which is Finland's top professional team.
Scouting report: Tohila is listed at 6-foot-5, 190 pounds but Doneghey said he's now 6-foot-8, which is ridiculous for a center. He carries a right-handed shot and appears to be a longer-term project.
Analysis from Doneghey: "I've never seen him play, but our Finnish scout Mikko Luoma [has]. This kid comes from a small town, very behind the curve. He's 6-8 who's a right-hand center, very naive, very behind the curve but the value of the skating and obviously the size, I respect what Mikko's thoughts on him."

It's called perspective. You don't have to be happy (or approve of - whatever that means) with the trade to understand the circumstances around it. Everyone and their mother wanted/expected more in a trade for ADB. Do you think KD turned down a better offer?
- Chunk

Completely agree with your assessment of the situation. We got what we were able to get.

It's like Hayes V2.
- Popsghostly

Except for the fact that C. Dach is already signed.

Except for the fact that C. Dach is already signed.
- Chunk

Yeah Chunk it was geared to the awkward brothers thing. You'd think the Hawks would have learned from the Hayes situation with both the Jones' and Dachs'. However both were Golden under the previous regime.

Also, contractual status would need to be assigned a value to each player. Hagel being cheap for several years increased his value; Cat being VERY expensive pretty soon likely lowered his value. The chart doesn't address that issue.
- mohel

Kinda like Seth Jones value got lowered? No, wait.

Kinda like Seth Jones value got lowered? No, wait.
- kwolf68

And everyone and their mother has skewered Stan for giving up that much, no?

Perspective. KD has said all along he's rebuilding and 88 and 19 were welcomed along for the ride to be a part of it. Davidson's idea of a rebuild was more long term than theirs and the Dinky trade pretty much put the ball in Kane and Toews court letting them know that in the GM's mind there was no quick fix.
- HawkintheD

Start bracing yourself, Kane is as good as gone.

via GIPHY

@CRoumeliotis
Kirby Dach after trade to Montreal: "I think it'll be good for me to have a fresh start."

@BenPopeCST
Kirby Dach: "I'm just putting the past behind me. Injuries aside, I learned a lot in Chicago from the veterans there and the coaching staff."

wish the kid the best - hope he makes a go of it
- pdx2ord

Me, too; hope he maximizes his potential. One thing, though, is that he is not going to a place where the spotlight is less.

That's fine and understandable, but has little to do with the analysis of the trade of the Cat. It very well could be that they should have decided not to pull the trigger. But that's a separate question from whether they could have gotten more. Our BELIEF - mine included - was that Cat SHOULD have gotten a bigger return. But the market said otherwise.
- mohel

I'll let someone else better explain it.
Couldn't agree more.
And why this team keeps regressing year in year out.


Chicago Blackhawks - No one ever looks good or wins when going through the painful process of stripping down a team. If seventh overall pick Kevin Korchorski develops into a stud, the ‘Hawks don’t look so bad. If Korchiski is something of the next Derrick Pouliot (bust of a Western offensive defender) well...Yikes. Lots of variance there, but Chicago makes the loser list for a lack of value. Debrincat is one of the best players in the league, they did not get a healthy return for him. Yes, I’m aware of his high potential qualifying offer in 11 months. It shouldn’t matter. If Winnipeg can fetch P-L Dubois for Patrik Laine (a more limited and less productive offensive winger), Chicago has to get more....Ditto turning the No. 3 pick in 2019 into the No 13 pick in 2022. That’s going in the wrong direction.

Start bracing yourself, Kane is as good as gone.

via GIPHY

- DarthKane

One would think he wouldn't want to stay around for this. If Stan would have started it when he should've, probably starting with not giving Seabrook that contract, then starting the tear down after Nashville series, they'd be on the rise now with Kaner with something left in the tank.

It was pretty obvious after the Nashville sweep the team wasn't going to get back to a cup with just adding key player.

Kinda like Seth Jones value got lowered? No, wait.
- kwolf68

Yep, Stan overpaid for him and then some. We get it.

I understand Mo's "Strawman" arguments are a source of irritation for you.

I know you also like to complain about people complaining about others complaining about the team, GM, etc...(irony?)

You seem to have a blindspot to the fact you were calling a number of us "Kool Aid Drinkers" even though the team ended up winning two more Cups while we chose to try see something positive vs. matching your ire for every perceived poop move Stanbo made. So, it's only ok to have an opposing view as long as it's in lockstep with yours? Got it!

But I digress...

And everyone and their mother has skewered Stan for giving up that much, no?
- Chunk

And one day, for most, the pain and anger subsided.