Haha Amy was beating up JC as well.

Guess he could still go to Dallas.
- fattybeef

No room in Dallas, they have to sign Ottinger and Robertson, unless we take back a Benn or Seguin

Yup. Pavel Datsyuk was a 6th round pick. Had Detroit traded him in his prime rest assured he would/should have fetched multiple top picks/prospects and his original draft status would have not ever been considered.

I'd have been happier with this trade had the Hawks gotten a legit pro prospect in the Sens far system instead of a hopes and dreams draft pick prospect.


7th overall in an less than great draft, a very good rising prospect in the system and a 2nd may have been palatable.

Just an incredible trade.
- kwolf68

7 and a prospect would have been a bad trade, too. Tho, better than the garbage KD did get. A (frank)ing 2024 3rd. Give me a break.

If they flip Dach as well (or any other starter of significance) before the draft starts I'll be pretty happy just from an entertainment standpoint.

Can't say it isn't entertaining now.
- fattybeef

I can see the rationale for trading ADB, but trading Dach scares the hell out of me. That one can back to bite us hard. I hated the Schmaltz trade also when it happened and was right.

Think that might be the plan. And yes Dcat has potted 40 twice (really 3 bc he had a shortended season and hit 30 in 50 some games).

But he is still 65-70% ozone starts and usually with Kane. I wouldn't call him a 2-way player. He has improved his 2-way play though. Is he a consistent 40g guy without Kane? Idk. Have to account for that in any trade too.
- bhawks2241

Same arguments about Panarin. The dude can play, always has been able. He'll be on a very good top line in Ottawa and pot 40 again. The 7th overall is almost assuredly not ever going to score 40 (he could, but don't bet on it), and the other two picks are basically lotto tickets, they could hit, but don't spend the money yet.

Would the Cane's? What would they have to pay Aho the year after when he is UFA eligible?
- LAHawk

I mean they're paying him $8.5 right now?

EDIT: Are you asking what they'll have to pay him as a UFA?

Probably in the $10-11 million range. That's when the cap is expected to start skyrocketing though.

7 and a prospect would have been a bad trade, too. Tho, better than the garbage KD did get. A (frank)ing 2024 3rd. Give me a break.
- Elbows15

LOL yea the 2024 third makes no sense and in fact will probably be a low 3rd as Ottawa is really coming on strong.

No room in Dallas, they have to sign Ottinger and Robertson, unless we take back a Benn or Seguin
- LAHawk

They could make it work if the Hawks took Faksa back.

Maybe she was just talking about watching her sons play defense.
- Elbows15

Not trying to spin it to a positive. Just laying out what I think. Which is worth about what you paid for it.
- Chunk

I wasn't referring to you but more of KD's statement.

My hope here is the deal is bigger- other separate deals with Ott upcoming like taking on Murray (convince him to waive if Chicago is not on the trade list) for prospects or moving Murphy (RHD which Ott needs) for prospects.

Strome won't be getting a QO, so he'll head to free agency. Hawks literally will have gotten nothing for him. But "lets see what happens".

I bet Strome's agent is calling Ottawa saying Dylan can center for ADB
- LAHawk

Please ( as for Strome).
But for a future #2 round. Sure in 2025. Rebuild takes a long time.

I keep thinking, Davidson would be glad to see Toews go. Not worth his salary. Maybe. Maybe he would move Kane if he received a good offer. What is a good offer?

Just don't know how fans come to games if you move your too players without getting a legitimate top prospect. And as for Dach, how do they project him? Woukd thet prefer to trade him to move up a few spots. Only in '22 draft could this possibly happen

So are we going to hear how anxious we are to get the rebuild under way. Fine.....should have moved Kane and Dach too and get a prospect and very early '23 selection minimum

Davidson will speak and we may not like his rationale

I am judging this ONE single move. I know there are people (you maybe) who seem to only be interested in deflecting any criticism of the organization or the GM (past or present) as they consider it some sort of personal attack.

At what point can people be critical of a move without you and your cohorts lecturing us about how we should react to a move we see that we think blows chunks?

If Davidson makes a good move I'll say it and give credit. I did with the Hagel trade.
- kwolf68

It appears that KD was determined to trade Cat at the best price available. Are you suggesting that KD could have had a better offer than the one he took? If so, what was it?

Or are you saying that, for that price, KD should have kept him? A fair position, imo. If part of the reason for the lower than expected return was that Cat didn't want to sign an extension, perhaps you can explain how he could have received a better return later?

Kyle Davidson is in control. I guess he likes Bedard. Would be typical for the Hawks to lose 65 games and end up picking 2nd.

LOL yea the 2024 third makes no sense and in fact will probably be a low 3rd as Ottawa is really coming on strong.
- kwolf68

I could see how you could say they have some young guys coming up but coming on strong?

they had the 6th worse finish last year, just ahead of the Hawks.

It appears that KD was determined to trade Cat at the best price available. Are you suggesting that KD could have had a better offer than the one he took? If so, what was it?

Or are you saying that, for that price, KD should have kept him? A fair position, imo. If part of the reason for the lower than expected return was that Cat didn't want to sign an extension, perhaps you can explain how he could have received a better return later?
- mohel

Maybe he did and it was 11 mil

I doubt they move Kane and Toews both. They still need to get to the cap floor. Which, at the moment, they are under. Moving both of them would leave about 27M under the cap floor.

I can see the rationale for trading ADB, but trading Dach scares the hell out of me. That one can back to bite us hard. I hated the Schmaltz trade also when it happened and was right.
- 67hawks

What has Schmaltz done exactly to make that trade better or worse for either team?

I can't see Kane remaining in Chicago tbh. Toews as well. I can't imagine they want to play for a team that may be historically bad.
- kwolf68

Where's Darth with that domino gif?

So with the Debrincat Trade there's been a change of heart and and Bowman back on board?

It appears that KD was determined to trade Cat at the best price available. Are you suggesting that KD could have had a better offer than the one he took? If so, what was it?

Or are you saying that, for that price, KD should have kept him? A fair position, imo. If part of the reason for the lower than expected return was that Cat didn't want to sign an extension, perhaps you can explain how he could have received a better return later?
- mohel

Quit playing that song, of course I don't know what offers me may have had.

I am going by what he said he wanted to make that deal. To go from THAT to THIS wreaks. He said he wasn't just going to settle. Listen to his words. He set the expectations.

I guess I should be a good soldier and not so negative and wrap my head around a way to couch both Seth Jones deal AND this deal both into positives. Take a look at the two deals and imagine the same team gave up ADC and got Jones. Simply incredible.

I know Davidson didn't make the Jones deal, but the meanies were implored by the usual cohorts to tell them if he could have done better, see how it turns out, sprinkle pixie dust around and light some incense, it's ALL good. LOL

Kyle Davidson is in control. I guess he likes Bedard. Would be typical for the Hawks to lose 65 games and end up picking 2nd.


- kwolf68

The Tank is really to secure at the worse the #3 pick. Which for next year is a good thing since the early returns are the top 3 are at worst all franchise type of player.
Bedard
Mishkov
Fantilli

What has Schmaltz done exactly to make that trade better or worse for either team?
- fattybeef

Signed a contract for $5.85m AAV that has 4 years left?

The Tank is really to secure at the worse the #3 pick. Which for next year is a good thing since the early returns are the top 3 are at worst all franchise type of player.
Bedard
Mishkov
Fantilli
- Elbows15

Bedard is still the guy, but yea good point. Hawks with Kane, ADC, Dach and Strome could stumble into being 6 or 7 worse. This all but locks up a top 3 pick I think. Wonder if Hawks will be having tryouts at the local beer leagues? Haha. I am over it, looking forward to it, gonna watch some Cup replays from 2010 around December just to remember the good old days.

Strome won't be getting a QO, so he'll head to free agency. Hawks literally will have gotten nothing for him. But "lets see what happens".
- kwolf68

If Strome doesn't get a QO and leaves as a free agent, won't it be because nobody in the league was willing to give up an asset for his $4M RFA rights? Or are you suggesting that KD is too incompetent to take a 7th rounder if it were presented to him? Or that he failed to tell GM's around the league that the guy is available?