Only logical reason for this ridiculous trade is two fold

1-Force Kane/Toews to waiver their clauses to be traded. Do they really want to play with a glorified beer league team next year?
2-Guarantee to have the worst record in the NHL next year, giving them the best chance at that very coveted 1-1

There is no other explanation I can find, because the return sucks for a 25 year old 40 goal scorer
- kwolf68

Yep, there just had to be better offers out there.

Kane and Toews (Jones, too) have known the plan for a long time now. I suspect they've made their desires known to KD.

I know KD has now suddenly entered "moron" status, but maybe it would be fair to give him one offseason to judge him....

Oh bullpoop. you make space for a player like that.
- BINGO!

Bingo!

Yep, there just had to be better offers out there.

Kane and Toews (Jones, too) have known the plan for a long time now. I suspect they've made their desires known to KD.

I know KD has now suddenly entered "moron" status, but maybe it would be fair to give him one offseason to judge him....
- mohel

Yeah if I remember 2 seasons ago ADB was a bust when he only scored 18.

THEY wouldve been better trading him at the tdl when someone is desperate and possibly got a pick and there best or 2nd best prospect instead of trading him to have a first this year

Maybe the end game is to get 19/88 and possibly Seth to okay being traded even though his contract nmc isn’t started yet.


They could also be anticipating Keith retirement

he plays for Calgary
- Elbows15

Oof, at lease they're both in Canada.....

A guy who has done nothing but fill the net his whole life. How many of these guys about to be drafted even have one 40 goal season at any level on their resume?

At most, one.
- Elbows15

The top 10 NHL goal scorers in the past 4 years combined are:

Auston Matthews
Leon Draisaitl
Alex Ovechkin
Connor McDavid
David Pastrnak
Kyle Connor
Steven Stamkos
Alex DeBrincat
Sebastian Aho
Nathan MacKinnon

And people are thinking teams might balk at paying the guy a $9 million qualifying offer? absurd.

via GIPHY

- DarthKane

Elbows in NOT old!

The guy they traded was drafted 39. Every player has flaws. Flawless players often bust... Do I like the trade? No. But time will tell.
- rpeters01

Yeah. Here are others taken at 39.

https://www.hockeydb.com/...t_by_pick.php?position=39

Yep, there just had to be better offers out there.

Kane and Toews (Jones, too) have known the plan for a long time now. I suspect they've made their desires known to KD.

I know KD has now suddenly entered "moron" status, but maybe it would be fair to give him one offseason to judge him....
- mohel

I am judging this ONE single move. I know there are people (you maybe) who seem to only be interested in deflecting any criticism of the organization or the GM (past or present) as they consider it some sort of personal attack.

At what point can people be critical of a move without you and your cohorts lecturing us about how we should react to a move we see that we think blows chunks?

If Davidson makes a good move I'll say it and give credit. I did with the Hagel trade.

The top 10 NHL goal scorers in the past 4 years combined are:

Auston Matthews
Leon Draisaitl
Alex Ovechkin
Connor McDavid
David Pastrnak
Kyle Connor
Steven Stamkos
Alex DeBrincat
Sebastian Aho
Nathan MacKinnon

And people are thinking teams might balk at paying the guy a $9 million qualifying offer? absurd.
- BINGO!

Would the Cane's? What would they have to pay Aho the year after when he is UFA eligible?

Yeah. Here are others taken at 39.

https://www.hockeydb.com/...t_by_pick.php?position=39
- Elbows15

Where Cat was taken has ZERO ZERO ZERO relevancy to this situation. Period. Not sure why it's even an argument.

edit: not bashing you Elbows as I know you're responding to the post.

THEY wouldve been better trading him at the tdl when someone is desperate and possibly got a pick and there best or 2nd best prospect instead of trading him to have a first this year

Maybe the end game is to get 19/88 and possibly Seth to okay being traded even though his contract nmc isn’t started yet.


They could also be anticipating Keith retirement
- Abadseed

So what. They have plenty of space the next two seasons for it to not even be an issue.

Magic 8 Ball says Kaner's incoming texts are blowing up and his voicemail is full.

The top 10 NHL goal scorers in the past 4 years combined are:

Auston Matthews
Leon Draisaitl
Alex Ovechkin
Connor McDavid
David Pastrnak
Kyle Connor
Steven Stamkos
Alex DeBrincat
Sebastian Aho
Nathan MacKinnon

And people are thinking teams might balk at paying the guy a $9 million qualifying offer? absurd.
- BINGO!

Hawk fans have PTSD with the cap. You never overpay for good players.

Let us hope. No one wants his contract unless the Hawks eat part of it.
- Elbows15

Apparently the Jones madre tweeted out "poopshow" shortly before the trade, so I'm guessing either

1. DBC had been given word and had texted the group chat, or
2. Davidson was asking about Jones waiving his NMC

Yep, there just had to be better offers out there.

Kane and Toews (Jones, too) have known the plan for a long time now. I suspect they've made their desires known to KD.

I know KD has now suddenly entered "moron" status, but maybe it would be fair to give him one offseason to judge him....
- mohel

If they flip Dach as well (or any other starter of significance) before the draft starts I'll be pretty happy just from an entertainment standpoint.

Can't say it isn't entertaining now.

Magic 8 Ball says Kaner's incoming texts are blowing up and his voicemail is full.
- 35Tony0

I bet Strome's agent is calling Ottawa saying Dylan can center for ADB

Magic 8 Ball says Kaner's incoming texts are blowing up and his voicemail is full.
- 35Tony0

I can't see Kane remaining in Chicago tbh. Toews as well. I can't imagine they want to play for a team that may be historically bad.

Where Cat was taken has ZERO ZERO ZERO relevancy to this situation. Period. Not sure why it's even an argument.

edit: not bashing you Elbows as I know you're responding to the post.
- kwolf68

I know. I was making the point that for every pick 39 that works out, there are ten who never sniff the NHL.

Apparently the Jones madre tweeted out "poopshow" shortly before the trade, so I'm guessing either

1. DBC had been given word and had texted the group chat, or
2. Davidson was asking about Jones waiving his NMC
- pdx2ord

Maybe she was just talking about watching her sons play defense.

This is effectively the same return they would get if DeBrincat signed an offer sheet next year and they refused to match (2 1st, 1 2nd, 1 3rd). Ottawa can get that next year.


2 fiirsts = 1 top-10 first
2nd
3rd

There was no premium from Ottawa for 'a year of the Cat".

Could have kept him and made the decision next year. Guess they are trying to move up the rebuild or something.

I know. I was making the point that for every pick 39 that works out, there are ten who never sniff the NHL.
- Elbows15

Yup. Pavel Datsyuk was a 6th round pick. Had Detroit traded him in his prime rest assured he would/should have fetched multiple top picks/prospects and his original draft status would have not ever been considered.

I'd have been happier with this trade had the Hawks gotten a legit pro prospect in the Sens far system instead of a hopes and dreams draft pick prospect.

7th overall in an less than great draft, a very good rising prospect in the system and a 2nd may have been palatable.

Just an incredible trade.

Apparently the Jones madre tweeted out "poopshow" shortly before the trade, so I'm guessing either

1. DBC had been given word and had texted the group chat, or
2. Davidson was asking about Jones waiving his NMC
- pdx2ord

Haha Amy was beating up JC as well.

Guess he could still go to Dallas.

Well, the specifics are they got one asset for him. The 3rd is a nothing and 2 years out. The 2nd has a 25% chance of playing in the NHL.

So they got a top 8 pick is a poopty draft for one of the best goal scorers in the league.

There is no way to spin this into a positive.
- Elbows15

Not trying to spin it to a positive. Just laying out what I think. Which is worth about what you paid for it.

I can't see Kane remaining in Chicago tbh. Toews as well. I can't imagine they want to play for a team that may be historically bad.
- kwolf68

Think that might be the plan. And yes Dcat has potted 40 twice (really 3 bc he had a shortended season and hit 30 in 50 some games).

But he is still 65-70% ozone starts and usually with Kane. I wouldn't call him a 2-way player. He has improved his 2-way play though. Is he a consistent 40g guy without Kane? Idk. Have to account for that in any trade too.