If this is even remotely true the Flyers have opened themselves to tampering charges and could get royally effed.
- MBFlyerfan

You are very naive if you think tampering doesn’t happen all the time

Attard, Brink and Cates were just signed out of college, Desnoyers is now ready to compete for a spot, Tippet came over in the trade for G, Hodgson was not on anyone's radar, Laczynski and Allison were hurt, Foerster and Wisdom were also hurt, so what are you talking about when you say we had the same young players last off season?? And I have not even mentioned Ratcliffe and Frost who were not ready last season either. We have a much deeper group of young players now than we did last season, and its not even close!
- jd250

Highly unlikely. Deeper group of bottom 6 potential players. Not much to get excited about.

You are very naive if you think tampering doesn’t happen all the time
- ClaudeFather

Well. What I think at minimum has happened is that Hayes and Atkinson have reached out to say hey Johnny. You’re in town, let’s go golf. We’ll cover beers. On the course as they each shoot over 100 and guzzle beers, Johnny, wouldn’t it be fun if you came to play with your bc alum buddies and at the same time did what your wife told you she wanted you to do?

You are very naive if you think tampering doesn’t happen all the time
- ClaudeFather

Of course it happens.

Flyers in on so many high priced players. Glad Chuck did an awesome job managing the cap to be able to afford such players.

Well. What I think at minimum has happened is that Hayes and Atkinson have reached out to say hey Johnny. You’re in town, let’s go golf. We’ll cover beers. On the course as they each shoot over 100 and guzzle beers, Johnny, wouldn’t it be fun if you came to play with your bc alum buddies and at the same time did what your wife told you she wanted you to do?
- Hextall271

And that is VERY different than saying JG and the Flyers have reached an agreement.

And that is VERY different than saying JG and the Flyers have reached an agreement.
- MBFlyerfan

Bill even pointed out the Kimmo Hartnell trades, trade happens and not even an hour later multi year extensions are announced. There are conversations going on.

Bill even pointed out the Kimmo Hartnell trades, trade happens and not even an hour later multi year extensions are announced. There are conversations going on.
- ClaudeFather

Yes, and I guarantee there were permissions given by Nashville.

Yes, and I guarantee there were permissions given by Nashville.
- MBFlyerfan

And Nashville can just waive the tampering guidelines from the league ?

Attard, Brink and Cates were just signed out of college, Desnoyers is now ready to compete for a spot, Tippet came over in the trade for G, Hodgson was not on anyone's radar, Laczynski and Allison were hurt, Foerster and Wisdom were also hurt, so what are you talking about when you say we had the same young players last off season?? And I have not even mentioned Ratcliffe and Frost who were not ready last season either. We have a much deeper group of young players now than we did last season, and its not even close!
- jd250

So other than Tippett, who was acquired in the Giroux trade, who is really the only player who might make an impact. The rest are either possibly competing for a 4th line spot or having no shot at making the team such as Foerster. That's what your basing your radical 180 degree turn on from one off season to another?

I say BS. What has really happened is that after a significant period of time where you refused to believe what you were being told by myself and others. You figure enough time has gone by that maybe not many will remember, care or notice that you were completely wrong on the moves made by Fletcher last off season.


The same basic conditions that exist now, existed then. That is that this team needs to completely change not only how they run the team but who runs it. That was the case last off season. The same as it is now.

I would not pick a winger in the top 5 if there a top defenseman and centers still on the board.
- jd250

The best way to draft is BPA not by position. If the top winger in the draft is projected to be the best player out of the center and defenseman. Why wouldn't you? Now if they're equal in projections, then need factors in.

Ottawa trying to trade their 7th overall pick. Not sure what they are asking for but I would love Fletcher to get that pick, and have 5 and 7 in this draft. That could really kick start this aggressive rebuild.

You are very naive if you think tampering doesn’t happen all the time
- ClaudeFather

Back channel, indirect informal discussions with intermediaries is not the same as tampering.

The best way to draft is BPA not by position. If the top winger in the draft is projected to be the best player out of the center and defenseman. Why wouldn't you? Now if they're equal in projections, then need factors in.
- MJL

Should be common sense but...

Back channel, indirect informal discussions with intermediaries is not the same as tampering.
- MJL

You can call it whatever you want, it’s happening

And Nashville can just waive the tampering guidelines from the league ?
- ClaudeFather

There is no tampering if Nashville gives permission. Do you ever hear when a team gives a player agent permission to seek a trade with another team? That agent does not have the authority to talk to other teams about a trade unless given that authority.

The best way to draft is BPA not by position. If the top winger in the draft is projected to be the best player out of the center and defenseman. Why wouldn't you? Now if they're equal in projections, then need factors in.
- MJL

I think defenseman and centers are more valuable than wingers, and typically how you build a team, i.e. build down the middle. As I said, if the top defenseman and centers are off the board, then sure, you pick the best player available.

There is no tampering if Nashville gives permission. Do you ever hear when a team gives a player agent permission to seek a trade with another team? That agent does not have the authority to talk to other teams about a trade unless given that authority.
- MJL

Doesn’t matter, tampering, informal conversations, it happens. You’re arguing up hill again. Bill had to explain it to you a few blogs ago.

Ottawa trying to trade their 7th overall pick. Not sure what they are asking for but I would love Fletcher to get that pick, and have 5 and 7 in this draft. That could really kick start this aggressive rebuild.
- jd250

Would make a ton of sense. Package around Provorov and Konecny for the 7th and maybe something else. Add another high end player, clear cap, and set the team up to tank for the 2023 draft. That’s the smart forward thinking play instead of let’s just throw crap at the wall and hope the dimwits will keep buying season tickets.

Ottawa trying to trade their 7th overall pick. Not sure what they are asking for but I would love Fletcher to get that pick, and have 5 and 7 in this draft. That could really kick start this aggressive rebuild.
- jd250

TK for the 7th. Fletcher however isn't a forward thinking GM.

So other than Tippett, who was acquired in the Giroux trade, who is really the only player who might make an impact. The rest are either possibly competing for a 4th line spot or having no shot at making the team such as Foerster. That's what your basing your radical 180 degree turn on from one off season to another?

I say BS. What has really happened is that after a significant period of time where you refused to believe what you were being told by myself and others. You figure enough time has gone by that maybe not many will remember, care or notice that you were completely wrong on the moves made by Fletcher last off season.


The same basic conditions that exist now, existed then. That is that this team needs to completely change not only how they run the team but who runs it. That was the case last off season. The same as it is now.
- MJL

No .. you are wrong.

Last off season the Flyers had clear needs, specifically a top pairing RHS defenseman, another top 4 physical defenseman, a backup goalie and depth at center. The Flyers also had a clear locker room problem from players like Ghost and Jake; there was definitely a malaise over the team that needed to be addressed. Fletcher learned from the previous season that he put too much pressure on young players that were not ready to play big roles on the team, so he tried to fill those gaps with veteran players instead while also trying to fix the locker room issues by injecting new players into the mix. Fletcher was addressing the right issues, but clearly did not do so for a number of reasons, which includes AV not being able to recover from his previous season with the team, a ton of injuries and to be honest some bad moves, like trading for Risto and signing Yandle. What happens next is to learn from that off season and make sure you don't make the same mistakes again this off season. That is what I hope Fletcher and his staff will do, take a step back, let their younger players who are ready play and lets see what we have before we make any more rash decisions.

Would make a ton of sense. Package around Provorov and Konecny for the 7th and maybe something else. Add another high end player, clear cap, and set the team up to tank for the 2023 draft. That’s the smart forward thinking play instead of let’s just throw crap at the wall and hope the dimwits will keep buying season tickets.
- psuhockey

Yep. funny you see Arizona looking to move their stud 24 year old #1, Hawks moving ADB.

TK for the 7th. Fletcher however isn't a forward thinking GM.
- hello it's me 2050

I would do that ...

Would make a ton of sense. Package around Provorov and Konecny for the 7th and maybe something else. Add another high end player, clear cap, and set the team up to tank for the 2023 draft. That’s the smart forward thinking play instead of let’s just throw crap at the wall and hope the dimwits will keep buying season tickets.
- psuhockey

People buy tickets when they have hope, and there is nothing more hopeful than the future! Getting rid of some players that have seemed to flatten out, gaining cap space and rebuilding with good young players give a team hope, and people buy hope!

For example, and its not related to hockey, I have not tuned into a Red Sox game for about 5 years. I just can't watch baseball anymore, its too slow for me, not enough action. But last night the Red Sox had their hottest pitching prospect, a pitcher named Brayan Bello, starting the game so I actually tuned in to watch him pitch.

TK for the 7th. Fletcher however isn't a forward thinking GM.
- hello it's me 2050

To Ottawa: Konecny, Lindblom
To Philadelphia: 7th overall, Jacob Bernard-Docker, 2022 2nd rounder

Flyers clear money off cap, get 7th overall, get a defense prospect who might be close to NHL and add 2nd rounder this year.

Ottawa gets top 6 winger they want and also another solid top 9 winger as they look to start competing.